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Nothing positive was coming from my thread. (Original Post) Recursion Aug 2015 OP
Hate it when that happens. Agschmid Aug 2015 #1
It hit too close to home for too many. NutmegYankee Aug 2015 #3
Yup, rediculous. Agschmid Aug 2015 #10
I liked my posts... hunter Aug 2015 #2
I read it and the subsequent conversations. Blus4u Aug 2015 #4
Good, if it is true that you are listening: sadoldgirl Aug 2015 #5
I suspect that you are referring to your OP ... 1StrongBlackMan Aug 2015 #6
omg, really? I could live quite well in Bangladesh on that salary, but in the US that is poverty.... Hekate Aug 2015 #16
No ... He was making the point of how facile the 1% phrase is ... 1StrongBlackMan Aug 2015 #17
Same side?! demmiblue Aug 2015 #7
All you had to do was admit you were wrong about the numbers. Rex Aug 2015 #8
Recursion 1939 Aug 2015 #9
So at last we come to the gist of your sadoldgirl Aug 2015 #12
He is a huge supporter of fake free trade deals from NAFTA to TPP. Elwood P Dowd Aug 2015 #13
When did I ever make a post on NAFTA or TPP 1939 Aug 2015 #15
it needs to be FAIR TRADE Angry Dragon Aug 2015 #18
Sorry, I got you and Recursion mixed up. Elwood P Dowd Aug 2015 #27
Liberals should be concerned when a 'ditch digger' gets paid 1/20 of his supervisor. pampango Aug 2015 #14
Post removed Post removed Aug 2015 #20
I was greatly tempted to repeat the words that were hidden laserhaas Aug 2015 #26
Republicans might think that way. I've never met a Democrat who thinks like that Autumn Aug 2015 #32
India is very class conscious. Once lower class... no matter how much money... always lower class laserhaas Sep 2015 #34
A very true definition of right-wing bully politics. HughBeaumont Sep 2015 #35
Not quite sure what you are speaking of. Xyzse Aug 2015 #11
I'm very upset and in tears. Starry Messenger Aug 2015 #19
Take a deep breath and give yourself a hug. hedgehog Aug 2015 #28
. Brickbat Aug 2015 #29
Sweet consideration laserhaas Aug 2015 #30
I disagree. Exposing - consciously or otherwise - the devious math behind that particular RadiationTherapy Aug 2015 #21
Getting called out on disingenuous made up bullshit is a positive in my book. nt Guy Whitey Corngood Aug 2015 #22
AMEN to that... laserhaas Aug 2015 #31
Europe, North America, Japan, Australia are about 1 billion out of 7 billion pampango Aug 2015 #23
sometimes kpete Aug 2015 #24
In other words, "I was losing bad, so quit the game." n/t PowerToThePeople Aug 2015 #25
When that happens, I post another one. n/t UTUSN Aug 2015 #33

Blus4u

(608 posts)
4. I read it and the subsequent conversations.
Mon Aug 31, 2015, 02:57 PM
Aug 2015

Quite frankly it seemed out of character with what I had read in the past of your postings and comments. I have been here about three years and do not post often - I do more listening and learning than anything.

Peace

sadoldgirl

(3,431 posts)
5. Good, if it is true that you are listening:
Mon Aug 31, 2015, 02:57 PM
Aug 2015

Unless we have a world government,
Unless we have democratic world laws,
Unless we have a common world culture

You cannot change the poor versus rich
situation.

We live in a world of nation states, and as
such each nation will have to deal with
its social and financial problems. In many countries
women or gays live under severe repression; that
does not mean that the US can change that.

Thus your comparison is a total fail.

 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
6. I suspect that you are referring to your OP ...
Mon Aug 31, 2015, 03:00 PM
Aug 2015

where you indicate that earning $25,000/yr., puts one in the top 1% of earners globally.

You must understand ... This income inequality is, and always has been, about our purses, and little else.

Hekate

(90,714 posts)
16. omg, really? I could live quite well in Bangladesh on that salary, but in the US that is poverty....
Mon Aug 31, 2015, 04:29 PM
Aug 2015

...for a family trying to raise kids.

He really made the point that Americans should be happy as all get out for competing with Third World people for wage scales? That in itself sounds like the argument made by CEOs who outsource US jobs to the lowest bidders overseas.

 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
17. No ... He was making the point of how facile the 1% phrase is ...
Mon Aug 31, 2015, 04:44 PM
Aug 2015

but that was just my take on it.

 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
8. All you had to do was admit you were wrong about the numbers.
Mon Aug 31, 2015, 03:05 PM
Aug 2015

I cannot believe how hard that is for some to do. You totally made up the numbers, got called on it by at least 10 different people. So you self-deleted and moved on.

1939

(1,683 posts)
9. Recursion
Mon Aug 31, 2015, 03:16 PM
Aug 2015

Remember that people aren't worried about how little they make, they worry about how much someone else is making.

sadoldgirl

(3,431 posts)
12. So at last we come to the gist of your
Mon Aug 31, 2015, 03:38 PM
Aug 2015

position. You would like to call those of us, who would like
to decrease the income inequality, just as jealous.

Well, I am a democratic socialist, and I believe that someone
digging a ditch should not get 20 fold less in income than
his supervisor. The digger will probably pay more later
in life for health concerns than his supervisor. The supervisor
may have more responsibility, but probably less of a health
problem.

1939

(1,683 posts)
15. When did I ever make a post on NAFTA or TPP
Mon Aug 31, 2015, 04:18 PM
Aug 2015

I have made posts pointing out that the Democratic Party has carried the banner of free trade while the GOP was big on protective tariffs. I have nbever mentioned NAFTA or TPP in a post.

Elwood P Dowd

(11,443 posts)
27. Sorry, I got you and Recursion mixed up.
Mon Aug 31, 2015, 05:33 PM
Aug 2015

Edit to add: Saying republicans are the ones supporting tariffs and dems free trade applies to the situation decades ago, especially the early 1930s. Starting with Reagan/Bush, repukes have been negotiating fake free trade deals at a record pace. The majority of dems have been voting against most of them. How many dem votes did spoiled brat Bush Jr get for CAFTA?

pampango

(24,692 posts)
14. Liberals should be concerned when a 'ditch digger' gets paid 1/20 of his supervisor.
Mon Aug 31, 2015, 04:18 PM
Aug 2015

Many liberals are also concerned that one ditch digger gets paid 1/20 of what another ditch digger is paid, if the former is in a poor country.

I agree with you that we should expect to have the ability to influence our own government's labor and taxation policies, so that we should be able to improve the wages of our ditch digger and, at least, tax the higher earnings of the supervisor.

That does not mean that we don't care or aren't concerned about the more distant ditch digger who make even less. We just don't have the ability, even in theory, to affect his situation appreciably other than perhaps to some limited extent by international agreements.

Response to 1939 (Reply #9)

 

laserhaas

(7,805 posts)
26. I was greatly tempted to repeat the words that were hidden
Mon Aug 31, 2015, 05:33 PM
Aug 2015

Your notion that poor people are simply jealous, ranks right up there with trickle down theories.
.
Pee on poor, who bel o ng where they are...mentality...bites the Whammy

Autumn

(45,107 posts)
32. Republicans might think that way. I've never met a Democrat who thinks like that
Mon Aug 31, 2015, 08:49 PM
Aug 2015

25 thousand a year does not put one into the 1%. Maybe in India it does, one might could go to a third world country and live really well on that but here in the US that's nowhere near the 1%.

 

laserhaas

(7,805 posts)
34. India is very class conscious. Once lower class... no matter how much money... always lower class
Tue Sep 1, 2015, 08:33 PM
Sep 2015

Strange country - just like here - poor are much more hospitable - then the upper class and/or wealthy.

HughBeaumont

(24,461 posts)
35. A very true definition of right-wing bully politics.
Tue Sep 1, 2015, 09:32 PM
Sep 2015

It's why I don't want to hear ANY ONE of these idiots tell ME I'm playing "The Politics of Envy" when they're so fanatically jealous of this supposed "lifetime Golden ticket" poor welfare recipients supposedly get (hint - IT'S NOT).

Xyzse

(8,217 posts)
11. Not quite sure what you are speaking of.
Mon Aug 31, 2015, 03:20 PM
Aug 2015

I lurk around, but I am sure that I did not see what you are referring to.

Starry Messenger

(32,342 posts)
19. I'm very upset and in tears.
Mon Aug 31, 2015, 05:00 PM
Aug 2015

Please don't reply to me in threads for awhile. I'll do the same on yours. Thanks in advance. That was very triggering.

hedgehog

(36,286 posts)
28. Take a deep breath and give yourself a hug.
Mon Aug 31, 2015, 05:34 PM
Aug 2015

I don't know what was said, but don't let it spoil your day. Sometimes nice people say something mean by accident, sometimes mean people use DU for on-line bullying. Either way, the poster who upset you doesn't speak for the rest of us.

RadiationTherapy

(5,818 posts)
21. I disagree. Exposing - consciously or otherwise - the devious math behind that particular
Mon Aug 31, 2015, 05:06 PM
Aug 2015

right wing talking point is valuable as are the thoughts and emotions it brought to those already contemplating the extent to which revolutionary behavior may be necessary to bring about meaningful change. I say, "Bravo!"

pampango

(24,692 posts)
23. Europe, North America, Japan, Australia are about 1 billion out of 7 billion
Mon Aug 31, 2015, 05:16 PM
Aug 2015

world wide. I guess we all know that life here is better than for 6/7 of the world.

That does not mean it would not be better here if we reigned in the US 1% like we used to. That is what liberals work to have happen.

Us dealing with our own 1% does not really directly affect the rest of the world. It just affects us. We should do it. A healthy American middle class with strong unions and progressive taxes would be able to be more generous to the global poor just like Swedes and Germans are and just like FDR intended when he engineered the international organizations to guide the post-WWII world.

kpete

(71,996 posts)
24. sometimes
Mon Aug 31, 2015, 05:20 PM
Aug 2015

it is best to go out to the garden.....

i try to NEVER take DU personally



peace Recursion,
kp

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