The Fundies Have Drawn A Line. They Do Not Accept Constitution Unless The Bible Is Its Base.

[TheMastersNemesis]

The bottom line argument from the fundies is that the only Constitution they will accept is one based on the Bible. And they will go to any means to attain it. The Davis case is only a beginning minor skirmish in the over all battle in the wings. The "conscience" strategy is a back door way to inject religion into government at every level.

[Hortensis]

1. Iran is a cautionary tale. The Ayatollah promised religion lite -- just some old-fashioned values.

[Proud Liberal Dem]

3. Once Muslims, Jews, Wiccans, Hindus, et. al start demanding religious exemptions

that directly affect/inconvenience them, our Christian Ayatollahs will (maybe) regret what they are doing here. Maybe

[mnhtnbb]

2. It's been clear for some time the fundies are after a theocracy based on

their strange view of the Bible as literal truth.

[TheMastersNemesis]

4. However They Are Willing To Force The Issue.

There is a new aggressive attitude about forcing a form of Christian sharia on the nation. And the GOP essentially supports that idea for its own reasons. And it believes it can achieve complete power. The important thing to remember is that NO other religion would be allowed the "conscience" option.

[Proud Liberal Dem]

5. "Power!

Unlimited power!!!!" (Star Wars geek moment)

[haikugal]

14. Yeah...check out the 3%ers....

They're building God's army.... http://www.rightwingwatch.org/content/jerry-boykin-calls-upon-gods-army-rise-and-fight-evil-gay-right

These people are nuts and they're serious!

http://www.rightwingwatch.org/content/bobby-jindals-prayer-rally-advocates-putting-christians-control-government-and-all-aspects-s

They're working to infiltrate everything through the seven mountains mandate...ie

[yuiyoshida]

39. One of the scaryest documentaries was

[haikugal]

40. Yep...it's called child abuse and no one calls them on it! Grrrrrr

[HooptieWagon]

6. Then they should be called out on their treason.

And since the Constitution and Supreme Court decisions are law, they should be jailed for breaking it.

[TheMastersNemesis]

7. Religious Freedom/Conscience Will Be A Main Campaign Issue.

Candidates will be queried whether or not they support "conscience" in public policy. You can count on ads against politicians who do NOT support it.

[meow2u3]

22. How can fundies campaign on conscience

when they collectively don't have one? Baffles me!

[YabaDabaNoDinoNo]

27. They should be but won't they are a group of 'Lone Wolves"

Groups like this ARE the GOP Base, Gods, Guns, Gays; they get a pass, they always have.

[gratuitous]

8. Far out!

I presume they'll be instituting a biblical economic system (New Testament and everything!):

Acts 4:32-35: "32 All the believers were one in heart and mind. No one claimed that any of their possessions was their own, but they shared everything they had. 33 With great power the apostles continued to testify to the resurrection of the Lord Jesus. And God’s grace was so powerfully at work in them all 34 that there were no needy persons among them. For from time to time those who owned land or houses sold them, brought the money from the sales 35 and put it at the apostles’ feet, and it was distributed to anyone who had need."

The war on poverty would be officially over, right?

[TheMastersNemesis]

9. They Would Not Go "That" Far.

[spanone]

10. they need to find their own country.

[TheMastersNemesis]

11. No They Are Expecting Nonbelievers To Leave.

[WinkyDink]

30. Obviously, they think they have.

[Jack-o-Lantern]

12. …umm, didn’t Jesus say that to “Love One Another” is the greatest of all commandments??

…Umm, didn’t Jesus say that to “Love One Another” is the greatest of all commandments??...no exceptions??
Wouldn't that include gay couples?...no exceptions? No hatred toward anyone?? What a hypocrite, what a phony, what an asshole.

[Jamastiene]

20. They think discriminating against and demonizing gay people IS loving gay people.

It's awful. They seem to love the most violent parts of the Bible only. The rest, they refuse to acknowledge or they twist to make it seem to support their way of thinking.

[Bluenorthwest]

13. They been scribbling that line for years, and they are far weaker now than they were in the past

I have no idea where you get this image of them as strongly committed and ready to go to the mat. That's what their press packets have said since Reconstruction. The American people do not not want religion in every level of government and that luckily for us includes many religious people and even a large number of fundamentalists who do not in fact wish to run the government. They are far from a united front.
The 'conscience' strategy is in fact a ploy rather than a strategy perhaps a tactic at best. They have used that same gambit many times in the past, mostly around abortion and contraception. It has never worked for them in the past. It sure is not some new idea for them. They have none of those.

[haikugal]

15. They are useful to TPTB, dismissal is perilous in my opinion.

[Bluenorthwest]

21. That's hilarious. I've been on the front lines against them when they had teeth, decades since.

Can you counter any point I made, any of my fully informed activist points? I do not agree with the OP who seems to be working hard to trumpet the message of the people I oppose, the religious right. This is like promotional material for the powers of Kim Davis.
I'm not going to promote them for you. Feel free, but I will again point out the inherent weakness of their political standing in the US when compared to the past.

[haikugal]

23. Wow....ok, you disagree that they have plans and power in all areas of our government and culture...

Right, got it. We disagree.

By the way...they still have teeth.

[world wide wally]

16. Their tactic is to confuse religion with government.

Huckabee, et al… keep saying Davis was jailed for her religious beliefs and that is NOT the case at all. She was jailed for contempt of court. Once that is confused, they open a lot of doors to recruit sympathy.
Huckabee is playing Silver Tongued Devil and deceiving the public. Kind of like Satan tempting Christ in the desert that time.
Don't read too much into this. Just an observation using my Religious upbringing to draw the parallel.

[Dont call me Shirley]

25. Also to confuse civil rights with "freedom of religion".

[Angry Dragon]

17. I am a Muslim bartender and I am sorry that I can not fix you a drink

unless it contains no alcohol

[hamsterjill]

18. I believe your assertion is correct, but I don't think the fundies fully realize

What they will GET if they GET what they WANT.

The Fundies all ACT like they get along and believe the same, etc., etc., but when you get right down to it, the differing factions (i.e., Baptists versus Presbyterians versus Methodists versus Church of Christ) are going to have major disagreements. Not to mention when you add in the Catholics.

PLUS, their insistence that religion be used within government is going to open the door for religions that they DON'T want (i.e., Buddhism, Wicca, Muslim, etc.) to have the same standing that the Fundies want. They've not even entertained that idea.

[Proud Liberal Dem]

38. Fundies in Louisiana (I believe) were appalled

when they found out that, because they passed a law allowing government funding of religious schools, they have to fund Muslim schools as well as Christian ones.

[Runningdawg]

19. I am a Christan no longer,

But I still know how to read a Bible, at least well enough to make an intelligent argument with the fundies:
Submission to the Authorities
Romans 13
1 Everyone must submit himself to the governing authorities, for there is no authority except that which God has established. The authorities that exist have been established by God.
2 Consequently, he who rebels against the authority is rebelling against what God has instituted, and those who do so will bring judgment on themselves.
3 For rulers hold no terror for those who do right, but for those who do wrong. Do you want to be free from fear of the one in authority? Then do what is right and he will commend you.
4 For he is God's servant to do you good. But if you do wrong, be afraid, for he does not bear the sword for nothing. He is God's servant, an agent of wrath to bring punishment on the wrongdoer.
5 Therefore, it is necessary to submit to the authorities, not only because of possible punishment but also because of conscience.
6 This is also why you pay taxes, for the authorities are God's servants, who give their full time to governing.
7 Give everyone what you owe him: If you owe taxes, pay taxes; if revenue, then revenue; if respect, then respect; if honor, then honor.

[restorefreedom]

24. good post. yes, they want a theocracy

but only THEIR kind of theocracy

flaming assault to the constitution

the line has to be held

[Initech]

26. Either they can have a Bible based government, or a secular Constitution based government.

They can't have it both ways. And I will refuse to live in a country run by the former. I absolutely cringe when I see things like Warroom being the number one movie in America. It just gives the fundies more fuel for the fire.

[atreides1]

31. I have third choice for them

They can be crucified...just a thought...

[Siwsan]

28. Isn't there an unpopulated island, somewhere, that they can move to?

Then they can set up their hair-brained theocracy, condemn the beegeezus out of each other, maybe do some inter-breeding, and develop their own little Dr. Moreau style utopia.

[YabaDabaNoDinoNo]

29. Just kicking them the F out is not unprecedented either, stick em on a ship is one option, where they

go... who cares! Another option is to march them into the sea but most folks would not abide by that so that may be a non starter. There is your island suggestion, I recommend one that will be under water in 10 years due to global warming, they deny that and besides god will save them because they are THE Faithful.

Now feeding the lions is rapidly gaining in popularity too and could be both a live and PPV event, the Gov might as well make some coin to offset the 400 years of BS they have inflicted upon America.

Just a few thoughts off the top of my head.

[Siwsan]

32. Feeding to the lions will just validate their martyr complex

And we do NOT want to do that!

[YabaDabaNoDinoNo]

34. Seeing that they would all be lion food who would be around to even give a crap if they are

martyrs or not?

[WinkyDink]

33. Every Thanksgiving we celebrate and honor their Puritan forebears. That's where we went wrong! :-)

http://www.pilgrimhallmuseum.org/pdf/Pilgrim_Puritan_A_Delicate_Distinction.pdf

[Skittles]

35. fuck them

if that religious nut denied them divorces or gun permits they would be singing a different tune - HYPOCRITES

[n2doc]

36. Only the parts of the bible they want to use

I'm sure no one is going to ban shellfish, or making fabrics with multiple types of materials. They just want their little twisted vision of what xianlity is.

They have been flinging this crap for years. And losing.

[Nye Bevan]

37. So we put them in jail for a few days, they cave in,

and everyone who wants to get married can do so. Not a bad outcome, all things considered.

[apnu]

41. That line has always been there.

But they've been covering it up with bullshit.

Now they're out of bullshit, and they don't give a damn about pretenses and appearances anymore. They're putting their bigotry out for all to see and think we adore them for it.

We don't.