538: "If Donald Trump Can Win The Nomination, Ben Carson Could Too"

[Attorney in Texas]

NOTE!:

The headline of this article buries the message. The key quote providing context for this headline is "I’d put each of their chances at about 5 percent."

Walk away point: Trump and Carson have about the same chance of winning the Republican nomination, and that chance is a snowball's chance in hell.





Nate Silver:

Carson is a little bit different from the “flavor-of-the-month” candidates from 2011. At least in terms of his demeanor, he’s much less bombastic than someone like Gingrich or Bachmann. And he has a much more compelling life story — it’s not an exaggeration to say it’s a heroic life story. ...I guess I’d put each of their chances at about 5 percent....Obviously, Carson has much higher favorables {than Trump}. He also has policy positions that are much more in line with the GOP mainstream. So, you can imagine a universe in which GOP elites grudgingly tolerate Carson, even if he’s not their first (or second or third or sixth) choice, whereas they’ll do everything in their power to make sure that Trump is not the nominee.

On the other hand, Trump has survived quite a bit more scrutiny so far. Not very much scrutiny as compared to what he’ll face between now and February. But some of it, certainly, and much more than Carson.... We’ve talked before about whether Trump fits into the template of a bandwagon candidate (like Newt Gingrich or Cain) or a factional candidate (like Pat Buchanan). The answer could be: both?
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I agree that the most likely outcome is some establishment-ish candidate — Bush, Rubio, Kasich, Walker — gaining momentum at the right time and winning the nomination. It’s still very early — too early to be paying much attention to polls. And if you do want to look at polls, Rubio and Walker have very high favorability ratings, which speaks against the notion that GOP voters are rejecting establishment choices wholesale.

But I also don’t think we should be all “LOL, brokered convention.” It’s not that far-fetched this year, as compared to most years in the past.

Harry Enten:

Let me point out one other big difference between Carson and Trump. Carson’s favorable rating in the latest Monmouth University poll was 67 percent. His unfavorable rating was just 6 percent. Trump, even with improving favorables, was at a 59-29 split....Ben Carson {is more likely than Trump to win the nomination}, and I’m not sure there is much doubt in my mind. Reasons include:

He’s better-liked by Republican voters, at least at this point.
He’s better-liked by party actors. He has a much more presidential demeanor than Trump. He also happens to be African-American at a time the GOP wants to reach out to black voters.
This isn’t to say he is anything more than a long shot, but he’s a trip to the West Coast while Trump is a trip to the moon.

[Attorney in Texas]

3. "I guess I’d put each of their chances at about 5 percent." He's not saying that either Carson or

Trump is likely to win the nomination -- he's saying that the top two candidates in the Republican polls are both 20-to-1 long shots.

[KamaAina]

2. That could work out really well for us.

I predict that a sizable portion of the repuke base will not be able to stomach a vote for Carson based on his foreign policy platform race.

edit: On the other hand, Tim Scott managed to pull it off in SC. Then again, repukes have a much bigger edge there than they do nationally.

[LonePirate]

4. Will all the racists in the Repub party sit out the GE if Carson is the nominee?

Seems like the GOP is struggling to find a candidate that unites the racists, evangelicals, war mongers and Wall Street sycophants who comprise the party.

[Attorney in Texas]

6. 100% guarantee: in the future, Republicans called out as racists will claim to have voted for Carson

as if this was some get-out-of-racism-free card, and if every Republican who at some time in the future claims to have voted for Carson as their stock response when their racism is exposed did ACTUALLY vote for Carson, Carson WOULD get the nomination.

[JCMach1]

5. GOPers are secretly pumping Carson in order to attack Trump

if Trump goes down, Carson doesn't have the cash to go the distance... all he wins is a speech at the convention, game over establishment Repigs win...

[Attorney in Texas]

8. I cannot envision the process for that, and why would they use Carson or that purpose (not Walker or

Rubio etc.)?

[olddots]

7. republicans don't think , they just react