MISSISSIPPI CAMPUS SHOOTING - ONE DEAD

[MoonRiver]

Not again

Edit: Link to story
http://www.cnn.com/2015/09/14/us/mississippi-delta-state/index.html

[SummerSnow]

1. No gun control needed again.

[MoonRiver]

2. Course we don't need any gun control.

After all NRA knows best!

[daleanime]

3. "It's too early....."

[yeoman6987]

9. The universities have strict rules against guns

Guns are strictly prohibited on campus. I can't see how much more can be said on that.

[Doctor_J]

11. But Mississippi doesn't

maybe that had something to do with it.

[B2G]

18. Firearms are not allowed on their campus. Period. nt

[yeoman6987]

33. Big deal....the school is the ruler in this case. He was an employee who knew that guns were

illegal on campus but ignored the rule.

[Doctor_J]

39. And the state has more guns than people.

A simple question. Does the fact that MS has the 3rd highest rate of gun ownership in the country have any correlation to the fact that it has the 2nd highest rate of gun deaths? Or are these two facts unrelated?

[B2G]

42. Based on DC, they are unrelated.

And they aren't 2nd & 3rd.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_violence_in_the_United_States_by_state

[Rex]

22. Wrong. Some do, some don't.

I think we need to be truthful about that claim and the fact is some states do and some don't. Someone downthread says that college doesn't.

So now where are we?

[yeoman6987]

23. This campus had a no gun policy

[B2G]

24. Yes, they do.

http://www.deltastate.edu/student-affairs/student-handbook-2014-2015/table-of-contents/regulations/

[HERVEPA]

53. Read the previous post a little more closely

[B2G]

62. I was agreeing and providing a link.

Thanks just the same.

[yeoman6987]

26. link

http://www.deltastate.edu/policies/policy/university-policies/student-affairs/rights-and-responsibilities/weapons-on-campus/

[BarstowCowboy]

87. Even if there was no law against guns on campus...

Whether or not there was a rule or law against guns on campus, I think it's safe to assume that there was at least a rule (if not a law) against shooting and/or killing people on campus.

[randys1]

29. Too bad the campus rules cant force guns to not exist in public in the first place

Which is what the 2nd amendment calls for and common sense.

Hell, I would be satisfied with a very moderate law that allows nobody to have a handgun

[jonno99]

37. I would be satified if bad people didn't do bad things.

Until then, folks have the fundamental right to protect themselves against those who would do "bad things"...

[randys1]

38. Yes and no, nobody needs to have a gun, nobody.

[jonno99]

40. I'd be interested in hearing how you propose folks protect themselves against those who would

do "bad things".

[randys1]

44. If nobody has a gun why would you need one?

[jonno99]

46. Because a 100 lb. women has little chance against a 200 lb. rapist.

For the slight of build, a firearm can be a powerful deterrent and an effective equalizer when faced by a larger predator.

[randys1]

47. NOt worth the trade off, Woman can have mace, baseball bats, stun guns, etc

But the death and destruction of guns far outweighs any benefits.

I am sure most Women would be willing to make that trade.

[jonno99]

51. It's NOT worth the trade-off to you, you mean. And yes, there are many women who are

not comfortable with the idea of of carrying a firearm. But there are MANY who are not comfortable leaving to hope and chance their personal safety - and that of their family.

Regarding your list of "safety" items: none are effective if there are multiple attackers, and are marginal at best against a single attacker.

[randys1]

52. Would she need a bazooka if there are 15 attackers? Your argument makes no sense.

[jonno99]

55. What doesn't make sense? If a women is faced with 2 attackers, the

items on your list will be of little use in thwarting an attack.

A pistol however? An excellent deterrent. And don't forget; oftentimes simply brandishing (threatening with) a weapon is enough of a deterrent to convince attackers to back off (and nobody gets hurt).

[BarstowCowboy]

90. A bazooka is ridiculous

If a 100 pound woman was going to carry a bazooka she would need to practice with it, and it's basically impossible to find ammunition for a bazooka. They're too heavy, hard to conceal and they're also dangerous to those standing behind them when they're fired.

[Hoyt]

59. Fine, let's let women carry guns. That would cut firearm accidents and crimes dramatically.

Wouldn't end them, but any improvement -- like keeping gunz out of the hands of the Zimmermans, Dunns, Reeves, etc., would help -- no matter how small, is worth it.

Every decade we do nothing just puts another 100 million guns in the hand of people who shouldn't have them.

You sound quite paranoid. How much time do you spend thinking about all the times you will need to defend yourself? That, to me, is enough to require an in-depth evaluation by a mental health professional before one should be able to acquire or carry a gun.

Gun fanciers really need to rethink their crazy rationalization that if we can't stop all gun crimes and accidents, we shouldn't do anything.

[jonno99]

64. Actually I spend very little time thinking about self-defense. But then, I'm lucky enough

to live in a low-crime area. Many others are not nearly so lucky.

Paranoid? not at all. But you should really take a look at concealed-carry permit holders; this group by and large have a better safety record than do the police. iow - your fear of the law-abiding gun owner is not particularly rational.

Yes, the guns are out there, but wishful thinking is not going to make them go away, anymore than we can make folks stop committing evil acts against their neighbors. Thoughtful folks will deal with the reality of "what is" - and order their lives accordingly.

You may choose to live without a weapon, that is fine and I certainly don't begrudge you your choice. I for one will not dictate to another law-abiding citizen that they may not protect themselves and their families.

imho, the best thing we could do to minimize gun violence would be to end the "war on drugs". This could cut the murder-rate in half...

[Hoyt]

66. My concern are the Zimmermans, right wing militias, racists, intimidators, compensators, cowboys,

and worse who need gunz to function.

[jonno99]

67. I agree. But the old saw applies - I'm loathe to: "throw out the baby with the bath-water". nt

[hunter]

70. Guns are like a baby???

[jonno99]

73. Umm - really? The wiki:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Don't_throw_the_baby_out_with_the_bathwater

[Hoyt]

74. I hear you, but I don't think guns are equivalent to that "baby." Although, I think some gun

fanciers would seriously have a tough time choosing between their children and their gunz.

[Straw Man]

75. Fortunately, ...

You sound quite paranoid. How much time do you spend thinking about all the times you will need to defend yourself? That, to me, is enough to require an in-depth evaluation by a mental health professional before one should be able to acquire or carry a gun.

... it's not up to you, and it never will be.

[Hoyt]

76. Not up to irrational gun fanciers who need to strap on a weapon to walk down the street, either.

[Straw Man]

77. I'm don't think you're referring to me, but ...

Not up to irrational gun fanciers who need to strap on a weapon to walk down the street, either.

... just in case you were, let me assure that no, I would not wish to submit someone to a mental health examination merely because that person had expressed some anxiety about becoming the victim of a violent crime.

[Nuclear Unicorn]

82. "I am sure most Women would be willing to make that trade."

Thanks for mansplaining about how many women are willing to risk their lives to satisfy your emotional insecurities.

The misogyny of the Controllers doesn't surprise me anymore but the depths of it all still shocks.

[randys1]

83. Oh man, you NEVER disappoint

[Nuclear Unicorn]

84. And you're a constant disappointment.

The reason women don't carry baseball bats for self-defense is because they don't work.

You may think it's laughable or that women should just learn to lie back and relax so you can live in a fantasy world that will never exist but they do not. You're just another creep who dismisses women and relegates them to victimhood.

The misogyny and sexism of the Controllers is appalling and you're part of Exhibit A.

[randys1]

85. This is why I never respond to you...it is a complete waste of time.

My bad for doing it this one time.

If anybody else called me a misogynist I would demand an apology, there is no bigger supporter of Women on this site, but I consider the source here. (Maybe if there are active members of NOW on here, then I am not the biggest supporter of Women, by any stretch)

I will not respond to you again, so you can respond or not, up to you.

NEVER again

[Nuclear Unicorn]

86. Do you support women if they choose to defend themselves from a violent attacker?

If they choose to do that then like all Controllers you would deny them their means of protection and if they are caught in possession of a gun you would see them torn from their families and carted off to jail like Shaneen Allen. If they're attacked then they just have to learn to live with it and keep it to themselves like Amanda Collins who was denied to the right testify at a hearing on gun control.

Then there's the classics from your fellow Controllers here. A woman is stabbed to death by her stalker Ex. When it comes to light she was waiting on a firearms license from the state past the time allowed by law the response was she should have chosen a better boyfriend. Or your other fellow Controller who commented on a woman raped and beaten to death with the declaration that if she had been armed she should have been in prison.

That's misogyny. If you disagree with these assaults on women's fundamental rights please feel free to say as much. I would look forward to it.

Or does "Her body, her choice" only count after the rapist has had his way?

[sarisataka]

50. Suspect says he killed Dubuque woman because there “was nothing better to do”

DUBUQUE, Iowa (KWWL) – A Dubuque man said he sexually assaulted and killed a random woman Tuesday because there “was nothing better to do,” and says the victim was in the “wrong place at the wrong time,” according to the criminal complaint obtained by NBC affiliate, KWWL Wednesday. Police say a woman was found lying on the ground in the 100 block of West 17th St. early Tuesday morning with severe facial injuries. She was taken to Finley Hospital in Dubuque where she would later die of her injuries. Documents indicate there no weapons involved, and that she most likely was beaten to death. On Thursday, police identified the victim as 66 year old Nancy Ann Krapfl of Dubuque.

According to a press release from police, Helmon Betwell, 19, was arrested Tuesday night and charged with first-degree murder, first-degree sexual assault and two counts of third-degree burglary.

Betwell made his initial appearance in court this morning via video from the Dubuque County Jail. His bond is set at $1 million cash.

http://kwqc.com/2015/09/03/suspect-says-he-killed-dubuque-woman-because-there-was-nothing-better-to-do/

Now if either of them had a gun, it might get more comment...

[LanternWaste]

60. Possibly the same way the thousands of people who live without guns

Possibly in much the the same way the vast number of people who live life without guns protect themselves against those who do bad things.

[jonno99]

80. For many it is an acceptable risk - trusting that the door will hold, or that

the cops will come (in time), or that "someone" will help, or that they will simply, somehow, "survive".

For many others, it is foolhardy to take chances regarding personal safety - and the safety of their families.

Are you wise enough to understand and prescribe the solution for every situation? Or, do we allow those who are law-abiding to make choices about how they will defend themselves and their loved ones?

[BarstowCowboy]

88. Everyone learns Kung Fu

Kung fu to be taught in public school, K-12.

[jonno99]

89. No agument here - it's a great idea. And there would be a myriad of benefits...nt

[tabasco]

78. Well, the states surrounding the universities and the entire rest of the country encompassing

the states are gun free-for-all zones, so maybe that can be said.

[Rex]

20. 80% of Americans say there is a great need for gun control

yet a small body of cowards in Congress tell us a different story. They all say that the 'issue' will cause them to lose their seats in office. Which makes no sense if they read the newpaper and see that 80% of America wants some new form of gun control.

I think it is all based on corporate profit and kickbacks in the form of pork barrel spending. CONGRESS. They for some reason don't want to do the will of the people.

Why is that?

[SummerSnow]

30. They don't give a hoot about Americans..the people they are supposed to be

working for. They only care about getting their pockets lined with money. Money vs. People, money seems to win all the time

[yeoman6987]

35. Because how would this case be different?

The campus already had a strict no gun policy but it was ignored. If the United States suddenly passed a no guns allowed policy...how would this be changed? We have a strict no illegal drug policy in America and it has been a complete and utter failure. The same would happen with guns.

[Kingofalldems]

58. NRA republican talking points.

[Eleanors38]

68. What? Now, state laws are "NRA republican talking points?"

[Kingofalldems]

72. Aww making a face at me eh?

Last edited Mon Sep 14, 2015, 08:39 PM - Edit history (1)

Quoting for the post I responded to: 'If the United States suddenly passed a no guns allowed policy...how would this be changed?'

Good try but a woeful fail. JHC.

[Eleanors38]

81. LOL

There's another one.

[LiberalElite]

79. Nope. Don't politicize a tragedy.

[malaise]

4. Professor killed

Damn!

[MoonRiver]

5. My guess is that a deranged student with access to guns,

didn't like his grade!

[yeoman6987]

10. Too early in the semester

Unless they were mad about one test grade.

[MoonRiver]

12. Summer grades?

[yeoman6987]

14. Good point. Very possible.

[Brickbat]

15. From local reports, it sounds more like a disgruntled husband/bf/ex...

http://www.sunherald.com/2015/09/14/6414159_happening-now-officials-called.html?rh=1

GAUTIER -- The suspect in a fatal shooting at a Gautier home Monday has been identified as Shannon Lamb, possibly the shooter in an incident that also occurred at Delta State University Monday morning.

Gautier police, in a news conference just after noon, said police believe Lamb, 45, left his home Monday and travelled to Delta State in a green SUV.

Delta State's website says Lamb works in the university's instructor in its social science department.

Detective Matt Hoggatt said university police have found a green SUV matching that description.

[MoonRiver]

6. Shooter holed up in building where he killed professor.

Rumors that there is a second shooter. Stay tuned.

[brachism]

21. More info...

Per WLOX:

Gautier police have identified the suspect as 45-year-old Shannon Lamb. Authorities tell us Lamb is an employee at Delta State University

Per twitter: [link:http://www.deltastate.edu/PDFFiles/Shannon%20Steadman%20Lamb.pdf]http://www.deltastate.edu/PDFFiles/Shannon%20Steadman%20Lamb.pdf[/link]

[OrwellwasRight]

7. Wait, let me use this tragedy to promote

my political viewpoint that there should be no laws regarding guns, ever. Trying to limit the proliferation of dangerous weapons just makes us less safe.

[randys1]

36. You got it, if the professor had a gun, if the janitor had a gun, if the cheerleaders had guns

Hell, didnt that brain dead, poor excuse for an actor who RUINED the most recent season of "True Detective" Vince Vaughn actually say in public recently that kids in school should have guns?

Think so.

[restorefreedom]

8. rip, professor. nt

[MoonRiver]

13. ...

[restorefreedom]

32. thank you

i forgot the candle on mine

[Rex]

16. 'Guns are great' until they are used then there is always a tragedy that follows.

America has a 'guns are grrrreeeeaaaat!' problem, which feeds into the 'I don't care' problem.

[yeoman6987]

27. Sadly this professor ignored the rules at the link

http://www.deltastate.edu/policies/policy/university-policies/student-affairs/rights-and-responsibilities/weapons-on-campus/

[jonno99]

45. Tragedy is a part of the human condition. ~150,000 will die today. ~1 million people will die

this week on planet Earth.

Unfortunately, there bad people who do bad things. That sucks. What sucks even more is there are some who would defend themselves from those intent on evil deeds, but are prevented by those who do not trust them to defend themselves.

[HERVEPA]

54. Horseshit, gunner.

[jonno99]

57. Your disagreement does not alter the truth of the matter...nt

[KG]

17. the ammosexuals have assured me guns had nothing to to with this.

[yeoman6987]

28. Sad the dang no gun on campus was ignored

http://www.deltastate.edu/policies/policy/university-policies/student-affairs/rights-and-responsibilities/weapons-on-campus/

[Kingofalldems]

56. So you are calling for weapons on campus?

Looks like it. That's an NRA meme BTW.

[LanternWaste]

61. However, guns had nothing to do with this.

However, guns had nothing to do with this. And the fatality did not arise from either firearms or bullets, regardless of the biased labeling of "GSW" (e.g, gun shot wound) in many major medical emergency rooms).

[B2G]

19. Looks like another professor, Shannon Lamb is the suspect. nt

[Marrah_G]

25. Looks like the shooter might have thought his girlfriend was having an affair with the prof

They believe that Dr. Shannon Lamb killed his girlfriend, Amy Prentiss and then killed the colleague he thought was sleeping with her.

[MoonRiver]

31. So tragic that many people

view guns as their best solution to personal problems. Of course if guns weren't easily available, they might look for other, less lethal, answers.

[anneboleyn]

41. This is what is so terrible these days. Too many go for a gun instead of say

just breaking up with the girlfriend (who may or may not have been having an affair with the professor who was murdered apparently). I mean, seriously,why MURDER two people instead of just leaving a relationship?

[MoonRiver]

43. Plus, he destroyed his own life!

What a senseless tragedy! I'm like you, totally do not understand.

[Liberal_in_LA]

48. plus 1

[Recursion]

34. The alleged shooter is in the acknowledgements of the victim's recent book

https://books.google.at/books?id=hQhvBAAAQBAJ&pg=PR10&lpg=PR10&dq=shannon+lamb+delta+state&source=bl&ots=E8liJ2jLuh&sig=gXdUXwICHOmwPFupSlXXR8etcEw&hl=en&sa=X&redir_esc=y#v=onepage&q=shannon%20lamb%20delta%20state&f=false

[Ex Lurker]

49. The female victim lived 5 hours away

That doesn't rule out the possibility of an affair, but it seems doubtful. The shooter could have been the paranoid/jealous type and deduced an affair out of an innocent offhand remark, or nothing at all. "Your colleague seems nice." That's all it might have taken.

[Aerows]

63. I have to agree

Not again

[Jamastiene]

65. Is it me, or are school and other public shootings becoming a daily thing in America?

How long before it is not if there was a mass shooting today, but how many were there?

How about instead of blaming mentally ill people for these shootings, we add violent crime to the background checks for guns? Mentally ill people are way more likely to be the victims of violent crimes than the perpetrators of violent crimes. Making it illegal to own a firearm for mean asses who have been convicted or at least charged with violent crimes in the past would be the best bet, but far be it from me to mention any kind of gun control. We all know we can't ask for that without getting called every nasty name in the book.

[Eleanors38]

69. This is a sad tragedy.

[Waldorf]

71. Violent crime is already part of the federal background check.

Federal Prohibitors

A deny decision indicates the prospective firearms transferee or another individual with a similar name and/or similar descriptive features was matched with either federally prohibiting criteria or state-prohibiting criteria. Federal law prohibits, from possessing or receiving a firearm, any person who:

18 U.S.C. §922 (g) (1)
Has been convicted in any court of a crime punishable by imprisonment for a term exceeding one year;

18 U.S.C. §922 (g) (2)
Is a fugitive from justice;

18 U.S.C. §922 (g) (3)
Is an unlawful user of or addicted to any controlled substance;

18 U.S.C. §922 (g) (4)
Has been adjudicated as a mental defective or committed to a mental institution;

18 U.S.C. §922 (g) (5)
Is illegally or unlawfully in the United States;

18 U.S.C. §922 (g) (6)
Has been discharged from the Armed Forces under dishonorable conditions;

18 U.S.C. §922 (g) (7)
Having been a citizen of the United States, has renounced U.S. citizenship;

18 U.S.C. §922 (g) (8)
Is subject to a court order that restrains the person from harassing, stalking, or threatening an intimate partner or child of such intimate partner;

18 U.S.C. §922 (g) (9)
Has been convicted in any court of a misdemeanor crime of domestic violence;

18 U.S.C. §922 (n)
Is under indictment/information for a crime punishable by imprisonment for a term exceeding one year.

https://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/nics/reports/2013-operations-report

edit: And it does suck what happened. Hope they catch the guy quick.