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HuckleB

(35,773 posts)
Mon Sep 14, 2015, 08:47 PM Sep 2015

Parents Sue School Over Son’s ‘WiFi Allergy’

A Massachusetts family is suing their son’s school because, they say, he has a condition called electromagnetic hypersensitivity. The thing making him sick, they claim? The school’s WiFi.
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/09/14/parents-sue-school-over-son-s-wifi-allergy.html

"In the spring of 2013, a young boy at a prestigious Massachusetts grade school began coming home with headaches, itchy skin, and a rash. It was a mild start to a mystery illness that would later bring serious symptoms—prompting his parents to sue the school over what, they believe, is making him ill: WiFi.

According to the 45-page complaint filed this summer, G’s* symptoms always emerged during school hours, then slowly disappeared once he got home. On weekends and holidays, they were all but nonexistent; but as soon as he’d get back in the classroom, they would return. In 2014, they started to get worse. Headaches and itchy skin gave way to nosebleeds, dizziness, heart palpitations, and nausea.

When his condition stumped doctors, his parents “commenced research” of their own. According to the complaint, The Fay School, where G had been a student since 2009, had installed a stronger wireless Internet service in the spring of 2013—the same time he showed symptoms. After linking the two, his mother concluded that he had “electromagnetic hypersensitivity (EHS),” a host of symptoms allegedly caused by exposure to electromagnetic fields. Fay’s sophisticated WiFi system, she decided, was making him sick.

G’s parents say Fay should switch to Ethernet or find a way to lower emissions in order to accommodate his EHS, which they argue is a disability. The case is unprecedented, not simply because two parents are suing a school over WiFi, but that the condition at the crux of their case (EHS) remains, largely, a mystery. The decision has implications not just for New England schools’ Internet procedures, but the rest of America’s too.

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Umm.

Excuse for a moment.



OK. I think I'm better.

No, wait.



OK, then.

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Parents Sue School Over Son’s ‘WiFi Allergy’ (Original Post) HuckleB Sep 2015 OP
Why am I not surprised? Archae Sep 2015 #1
Ha! underpants Sep 2015 #7
From the article: tammywammy Sep 2015 #9
Figures. Archae Sep 2015 #11
Wasn't this illness.... Blus4u Sep 2015 #35
They used to think asthma was psychosomatic, before medicine had advanced enough pnwmom Sep 2015 #44
Totally agree. betsuni Sep 2015 #46
Yeah, I had that kind of thing, too. And my sister did, and the doctor called it "nervous stomach." pnwmom Sep 2015 #47
My sister has the gluten intolerance and lactose intolerance, which wouldn't be a problem ... betsuni Sep 2015 #49
Yes -- all our bodies are different, which makes "medical science" a very difficult science. pnwmom Sep 2015 #52
Better yet, shut it off without telling him. Thor_MN Sep 2015 #15
Good Point BigDemVoter Sep 2015 #41
Would you do the same with a person with a peanut allergy? yeoman6987 Sep 2015 #54
Would I remove peanuts from an area without telling a peanut allergy sufferer? Thor_MN Sep 2015 #69
That doesn't mean everyone who makes up an "ailment" should be taken seriously. HuckleB Sep 2015 #70
They can claim he's disabled but until he meets the classification criteria he ain't disabled underpants Sep 2015 #2
Wow! HuckleB Sep 2015 #8
Yeah underpants Sep 2015 #19
Sounds like a frivolous lawsuit to me. Must be a repuke filing it. madinmaryland Sep 2015 #22
Yeah, whatever happened to "tort reform?" Eleanors38 Sep 2015 #71
With those tuitions, that school ought to do pretty much whatever the parents want! reformist2 Sep 2015 #33
DC pays 16,809 per student yeoman6987 Sep 2015 #74
Better call Saul. beam me up scottie Sep 2015 #2
First thing I thought of. Heeeeers Johnny Sep 2015 #10
I can't wait for the second season to start. beam me up scottie Sep 2015 #12
But!... At least the producers had the wisdom to write in Mike Ehrmantraut. Heeeeers Johnny Sep 2015 #13
Yes! beam me up scottie Sep 2015 #18
Mike is the man! N/t PasadenaTrudy Sep 2015 #51
If Jonathan Banks doesn't win an Emmy this weekend, something is seriously wrong. Chiyo-chichi Sep 2015 #61
Yep mainstreetonce Sep 2015 #21
Great show. beam me up scottie Sep 2015 #56
Me too! PasadenaTrudy Sep 2015 #53
Yep. Warren DeMontague Sep 2015 #55
Did you leave your phone and watch in the mailbox? beam me up scottie Sep 2015 #57
It was probably the chemtrails sharp_stick Sep 2015 #4
lemme have some of that, too.... mike_c Sep 2015 #5
Sued after the school brought in an independent party the parents recommended. tammywammy Sep 2015 #6
We are bombarded by EM radiation, cloudbase Sep 2015 #14
Sounds like my neighbor and her gluten problem. hobbit709 Sep 2015 #16
"Exposure to electomagnetic fields"? Scootaloo Sep 2015 #17
Indeed. hifiguy Sep 2015 #72
anyone swab an airvent to look for wifi activated cooties? irisblue Sep 2015 #20
Yeah Doc, I really have been trying to lose weight justhanginon Sep 2015 #23
Sounds more like a mold problem. riderinthestorm Sep 2015 #24
That's my first guess - school just really stresses this kid out petronius Sep 2015 #26
Yup. Pull him out and homeschool or private tutor riderinthestorm Sep 2015 #27
Yep. Although in this case I wouldn't be surprised if some/much/all of the school stress petronius Sep 2015 #28
Empirically they need to explore all options riderinthestorm Sep 2015 #31
Kid probably doesn't have Blus4u Sep 2015 #36
Not likely, Blue jmowreader Sep 2015 #58
Hmmmm...... I get sick every morning when I get to work and don't feel better 'til I leave.... groundloop Sep 2015 #25
Don't forget the cell phones too! LOL!!! RKP5637 Sep 2015 #29
The Fay Schools's response to the lawsuit. KentuckyWoman Sep 2015 #30
I hear west virginia is nice this time of year Travis_0004 Sep 2015 #32
Don't tell the parents about all the radio waves bouncing around! Eeek!! reformist2 Sep 2015 #34
I thought it was the repukes and fundies making me sick--turns out it is just all the wifi around niyad Sep 2015 #37
Um.... are they also allergic to air? Initech Sep 2015 #38
This was a theme on the spin-off show, "Better Call Saul" Yavin4 Sep 2015 #39
If such hypersensitivity is real Ichigo Kurosaki Sep 2015 #40
Oh fer fuck's sake. n/t X_Digger Sep 2015 #42
Easy fix: dress him in foil (nt) Recursion Sep 2015 #43
Don't forget the hat! nt Ichigo Kurosaki Sep 2015 #45
Would be funny has hell to find out if they were doing all their research at home Waldorf Sep 2015 #48
Are you fucking kidding me? lonestarnot Sep 2015 #50
What grade was he in the year this started happening? jmowreader Sep 2015 #59
There are wifi networks so many places gollygee Sep 2015 #60
I blame Monsanto. Orrex Sep 2015 #62
I blame irrelevancies. LanternWaste Sep 2015 #66
Simple Solution: Transfer the kid to an inner city public school. MineralMan Sep 2015 #63
+1 HuckleB Sep 2015 #67
Better Call Saul Major Nikon Sep 2015 #64
I wish the posters that think this is possible or real would show up snooper2 Sep 2015 #65
They would, but their allergies prevent them from logging in. Orrex Sep 2015 #68
hahaha workinclasszero Sep 2015 #73

Archae

(46,335 posts)
1. Why am I not surprised?
Mon Sep 14, 2015, 08:52 PM
Sep 2015

They should try an experiment.
Announce that the school's WiFi will be shut off for a repair job.

But secretly NOT shut it off.

Then watch the kid.

tammywammy

(26,582 posts)
9. From the article:
Mon Sep 14, 2015, 08:57 PM
Sep 2015
In a 2010 paper published in the journal Bioelectromagnetics, Dr. James Rubin performed a systematic review of 46 different blind or double blind studies on 1,175 individuals who self-diagnosed as having EHS. He found “no evidence” that exposure to electromagnetic fields alone was the cause. Instead, due to similar reactions that occurred when participants thought they were being exposed but were not, he hypothesizes that the problem may be more closely aligned with mental health. “As sham exposure was sufficient to trigger severe symptoms in some participants, psychological factors may have an important role in causing this condition,” he writes.

Blus4u

(608 posts)
35. Wasn't this illness....
Mon Sep 14, 2015, 10:07 PM
Sep 2015

....what was afflicting Saul's older brother in "Better Call Saul", hence the tin foil blanket?

Peace

pnwmom

(108,980 posts)
44. They used to think asthma was psychosomatic, before medicine had advanced enough
Mon Sep 14, 2015, 11:46 PM
Sep 2015

to know that it was a disease of inflammation.

It's unfortunate that when doctors don't know a logical reason for physical symptoms, they so often decide it must be imaginary.

"Sham exposure" caused severe symptoms in some participants. What about the others? Maybe there is something in the building that was also changed at the same time they changed the WIFI. Or maybe the building has just gotten moldier over time.

betsuni

(25,537 posts)
46. Totally agree.
Tue Sep 15, 2015, 12:29 AM
Sep 2015

When I was in my late teens I had all sorts of symptoms: indigestion, bloating, fatigue, skin rash, headaches, feeling sort of depressed -- classic allergy symptoms that today would be instantly recognized (I hope). Back then the doctors I saw said it was all in my head, one told me probably all I needed was a boyfriend. Finally went to naturopath who took a blood test and told me what not to eat. A couple of weeks later and symptoms completely gone, it changed my life. If I hadn't had that blood test I might've spent my life feeling shitty and taking anti-depressants. But doctors knew best, right.

pnwmom

(108,980 posts)
47. Yeah, I had that kind of thing, too. And my sister did, and the doctor called it "nervous stomach."
Tue Sep 15, 2015, 12:33 AM
Sep 2015

Turned out gluten intolerance runs through our family, some people with Celiac, some with Crohn's, some with rashes, lots of people reacting to gluten in different ways.

No more "nervous stomachs" or rashes.

betsuni

(25,537 posts)
49. My sister has the gluten intolerance and lactose intolerance, which wouldn't be a problem ...
Tue Sep 15, 2015, 12:53 AM
Sep 2015

except she has NO self control. Her symptom is an instant runny rose, so then you have to hear sniffing for the next several hours after she can't resist taking a bite of your pizza. And the food she's intolerant of makes her lose her appetite, she gets really skinny. Food I'm intolerant of makes me bloat. If I've been bad about my diet and see someone I haven't seen for awhile, they tell me I've gained weight. If I've been good, they tell me I've lost weight. I'm a shape shifter! Even my face looks different. It's interesting how each human body reacts differently.

pnwmom

(108,980 posts)
52. Yes -- all our bodies are different, which makes "medical science" a very difficult science.
Tue Sep 15, 2015, 01:11 AM
Sep 2015

If you're one of the outliers, forget it. . . .

 

Thor_MN

(11,843 posts)
15. Better yet, shut it off without telling him.
Mon Sep 14, 2015, 09:09 PM
Sep 2015

His symptoms are likely due to the stress of being at a boarding school. If he does not know the WiFi is off and he still has symptoms, the WiFi is not to blame. Only problem is keeping him from knowing, as they probably all have laptops connected to WiFi. My question is why the parents think that their home WiFi (assuming they have it) is somehow different.

BigDemVoter

(4,150 posts)
41. Good Point
Mon Sep 14, 2015, 11:35 PM
Sep 2015

And good luck to him finding too many places that don't have WiFi nowadays. It's in airports, cafes, etc. . . . . If he's "alllergic", how can they determine that it's the school's WiFi doing the damage?

This will be interesting to watch!

 

yeoman6987

(14,449 posts)
54. Would you do the same with a person with a peanut allergy?
Tue Sep 15, 2015, 02:09 AM
Sep 2015

Sounds cruel to me. Why do you think he's lying. I know people used to laugh at all kinds of people with different ailments until the populous grew up and took them seriously.

 

Thor_MN

(11,843 posts)
69. Would I remove peanuts from an area without telling a peanut allergy sufferer?
Tue Sep 15, 2015, 07:16 PM
Sep 2015

Last edited Tue Sep 15, 2015, 07:59 PM - Edit history (1)

well, yeah, I would. There is no harm with no "allergen" present.


But that not the point.

Peanut allergies are real.

WiFi allergies?

The simplest answer is the kid is stressed out by boarding school, or a real allergen that is present.

Should be simple enough to test in a medical facility. Put him in with a router case that has nothing but blinking leds. See if there are any symptoms. If there is a reaction, its psychosomatic. If there is no reaction, place him in a room with a real router. He will be experiencing EMF up to thousands of times higher than what he sees at school. If there is a reaction, you have a smoking gun. If not, it points to either psychosomatic, or a real allergen at the school. Of course, the kid, his parents, the medical personnel can't know which is the real router or fake.

underpants

(182,826 posts)
2. They can claim he's disabled but until he meets the classification criteria he ain't disabled
Mon Sep 14, 2015, 08:52 PM
Sep 2015



Tuition at The Fay School

Day Students
Pre-Kindergarten (Half Day) $13,500
Pre-Kindergarten (Full Day) $21,900
Kindergarten $23,400
Grade 1 $25,500
Grade 2 $27,650
Grades 3 and 4 $30,000
Grades 5 and 6 $34,410
Grades 7 and 8 $36,550
Grade 9 $38,290

Domestic Boarding Students (7-Day)
Grades 7 and 8 $61,660
Grade 9 $63,400

Domestic Boarding Students (5-Day)
Grades 7 and 8 $55,450
Grade 9 $57,190

International Boarding Students
Grades 7 and 8 $64,520
Grade 9 $66,260

International Boarding Students - ESL
Grades 7 and 8 $67,780
Grade 9 $69,520

underpants

(182,826 posts)
19. Yeah
Mon Sep 14, 2015, 09:18 PM
Sep 2015

$23k for kindergarten

I've learned about a private school here in Richmond. All girls. 80 students grades 5-8th - that's 20 each. $16k a year. Amazing.

Heeeeers Johnny

(423 posts)
13. But!... At least the producers had the wisdom to write in Mike Ehrmantraut.
Mon Sep 14, 2015, 09:08 PM
Sep 2015

He was my favorite character in BB and BCS.

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Chiyo-chichi

(3,581 posts)
61. If Jonathan Banks doesn't win an Emmy this weekend, something is seriously wrong.
Tue Sep 15, 2015, 07:08 AM
Sep 2015

His performance in the episode that focused on Mike was the best acting I've seen anywhere in a long time.

sharp_stick

(14,400 posts)
4. It was probably the chemtrails
Mon Sep 14, 2015, 08:52 PM
Sep 2015

wifi is harmless until activated by chemtrails. Nutjobs to the left of me, nutjobs to the right.

tammywammy

(26,582 posts)
6. Sued after the school brought in an independent party the parents recommended.
Mon Sep 14, 2015, 08:54 PM
Sep 2015
In a letter on the school’s website, Rob Gustavson, the head of Fay, refutes the claim that nothing was done—writing that the school brought in an independent technology firm called Isotrope (recommended by G’s parents), to test the school. Isotrope concluded that Fay’s WiFi emissions were “substantially less than one ten-thousandth of the applicable safety limits (federal and state).”


hobbit709

(41,694 posts)
16. Sounds like my neighbor and her gluten problem.
Mon Sep 14, 2015, 09:11 PM
Sep 2015

Her chiropractor told her she had a gluten allergy and later it developed into full blown celiac disease.
She believes anything that quack tells her. He also strapped this box on her arm and the digital readout told her what toxins she needed to remove from her body.

 

hifiguy

(33,688 posts)
72. Indeed.
Tue Sep 15, 2015, 07:24 PM
Sep 2015

LIGHT is electromagnetic radiation, as are all the countless radio waves around us and the entire planet. In fact the overwhelming majority of free energy (that not confined in matter) in the universe is em radiation.

I think a physics prof needs to bring a little common sense science to this.

justhanginon

(3,290 posts)
23. Yeah Doc, I really have been trying to lose weight
Mon Sep 14, 2015, 09:30 PM
Sep 2015

and watch what I eat like you said but this damn WiFi I have at home ...........

 

riderinthestorm

(23,272 posts)
24. Sounds more like a mold problem.
Mon Sep 14, 2015, 09:33 PM
Sep 2015

Kid is sick at school.

Kid not sick when away from school.

Some toxic element at school is revving up his allergy.

Or it's just psychosomatic.

My niece would literally have an asthma attack, a panic attack and/or diarrhea every day before school for years. The stress of a large public HS created a host of stress related ailments. (And yes, I know asthma has other factors than stress but she'd cycle through "shortness of breath", wheezing, severe coughing etc too regularly for it to not be included).

petronius

(26,602 posts)
26. That's my first guess - school just really stresses this kid out
Mon Sep 14, 2015, 09:43 PM
Sep 2015

I wonder if he gets these symptoms in all the other places that often have strong wireless networks--hotels, airports, cafes, libraries, etc--that he (and his parents) may not be aware of at the time...

 

riderinthestorm

(23,272 posts)
27. Yup. Pull him out and homeschool or private tutor
Mon Sep 14, 2015, 09:45 PM
Sep 2015

since it seems these folks have tons of cash to burn ...

petronius

(26,602 posts)
28. Yep. Although in this case I wouldn't be surprised if some/much/all of the school stress
Mon Sep 14, 2015, 09:51 PM
Sep 2015

is generated at home; a diagnosis of demanding-helicopter-parentitis*. Wonder how often he's reminded that his performance now will decide his college, career, and everything of value? Or of how much this school is costing and what a great opportunity it is?


* Of course, this is all a complete WAG born of my own biases and unfounded assumptions.

 

riderinthestorm

(23,272 posts)
31. Empirically they need to explore all options
Mon Sep 14, 2015, 09:58 PM
Sep 2015

they've fixated on a wifi allergy but have they actually tried keeping him away from that environment AND continuing to school him?

I hope they tried that and it failed because school anxiety is a proven psych problem. The chances this is a wifi allergy are so remote...

jmowreader

(50,559 posts)
58. Not likely, Blue
Tue Sep 15, 2015, 06:07 AM
Sep 2015

Your standard New England prep school has a dress code that makes one long for the relaxed garbing and grooming standards of Marine Corps boot camp.

groundloop

(11,519 posts)
25. Hmmmm...... I get sick every morning when I get to work and don't feel better 'til I leave....
Mon Sep 14, 2015, 09:42 PM
Sep 2015

Maybe I can sue my employer for the mental stress of my job (in combination with wi-fi of course) making me ill.

KentuckyWoman

(6,685 posts)
30. The Fay Schools's response to the lawsuit.
Mon Sep 14, 2015, 09:57 PM
Sep 2015

Snip

In 2014, the parents of a Fay student indicated that they believed their child’s health was being negatively affected by our Wi-Fi network. Since we take all student health issues seriously, we addressed the concerns raised by the parents in this instance as we would any other parental concern.

As part of our ongoing commitment to ensuring the health, safety, and wellbeing of all members of the Fay campus community, the School sought a professional, objective assessment to ensure that our campus complies with all federal and state regulations regarding exposure to ambient radio frequency energy (RFE). To conduct this assessment, we engaged the services of Isotrope, LLC, which specializes in measurement and analysis of radio communication signals and evaluation of emissions safety compliance. Isotrope was one of the firms recommended as an expert source by the parents who raised the concern.

Isotrope’s assessment, completed in January 2015, measured levels of the entire radio frequency at once, as well as levels at locations where individual emissions were strongest, most of which were Wi-Fi access points located in buildings on campus. Isotrope found that the combined levels of access point emissions, broadcast radio and television signals, and other RFE emissions on campus comply with federal and state safety limits by a wide margin. Their report stated that “levels of Access Point emissions, inside the School and on the grounds, were substantially less than one ten-thousandth (1/10,000th) of the applicable safety limits (federal and state).”

The Isotrope report further concluded that “RFE emissions measured on Site were substantially below the applicable safety limits. Moreover, even if the more restrictive safety limits adopted in certain countries, such as Italy, were applied, the RFE emissions at the School would still be compliant by a substantial margin.” This conclusion was consistent with Fay’s prior assessments of the safety of our wireless infrastructure, and it re-affirmed the safety of our campus.

Snip

http://www.fayschool.org/podium/default.aspx?t=204&nid=988347&bl=/default.aspx&rc=0

 

Travis_0004

(5,417 posts)
32. I hear west virginia is nice this time of year
Mon Sep 14, 2015, 10:00 PM
Sep 2015

Tell them to move there. The US radio quiet zone is 13000 square miles without wifi, cell phones or anything like that.

niyad

(113,336 posts)
37. I thought it was the repukes and fundies making me sick--turns out it is just all the wifi around
Mon Sep 14, 2015, 10:12 PM
Sep 2015

here.

Ichigo Kurosaki

(167 posts)
40. If such hypersensitivity is real
Mon Sep 14, 2015, 11:28 PM
Sep 2015

If such hypersensitivity is real, then there are pills at Placebo Mart that can help. Seriously.

Waldorf

(654 posts)
48. Would be funny has hell to find out if they were doing all their research at home
Tue Sep 15, 2015, 12:45 AM
Sep 2015

using WiFi. Pretty much all the home gateways for the internet have WiFi.

jmowreader

(50,559 posts)
59. What grade was he in the year this started happening?
Tue Sep 15, 2015, 06:23 AM
Sep 2015

Could it be that Mumsy's precious snowflake suddenly got buried under work he's not capable of handling, he started bringing home bad report cards (which caused Mumsy and Daddy to start leaving brochures for military schools around the house to suggest what will happen to Snowflake if he doesn't suddenly start bringing home straight A's) and the headaches, itchy skin and rash started at that time?

gollygee

(22,336 posts)
60. There are wifi networks so many places
Tue Sep 15, 2015, 06:48 AM
Sep 2015

Almost every public place. (It shouldn't make a difference to his allergy whether he has the password - even private ones would bother him.) He wouldn't just have this experience at school.

MineralMan

(146,317 posts)
63. Simple Solution: Transfer the kid to an inner city public school.
Tue Sep 15, 2015, 09:26 AM
Sep 2015

They don't have wi-fi, or any other modern technology, due to selective funding. Problem solved.

HuckleB

(35,773 posts)
67. +1
Tue Sep 15, 2015, 10:59 AM
Sep 2015

Of course, here in Portland, Oregon, we had a guy running for the school board with his main position being the elimination of that dangerous wifi from all schools.

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