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RKP5637

(67,111 posts)
Sat Sep 26, 2015, 12:43 PM Sep 2015

Quite Interesting - Constitutional Law Professors Weigh in on Kim Davis Lawsuit

The article is not that long, but it is interesting, what several constitutional law professors say about her and her attorneys nonsense. This is extremely important because of the precedence being set. Ignoring marriage equality, etc., does a clerk have the authority to change things as they see fit.

There are several professors weighing in on this, it's an interesting read. I just did one excerpt below.

http://cooleylawschoolblog.com/2015/09/26/constitutional-law-professors-weigh-in-on-kim-davis-lawsuit/

WMU-Cooley Constitutional Law Professor Michael McDaniel believes Davis’ actions are in violation of her oath of office. “Article VI, Sec.1, clause 3, of the U.S. Constitution states ‘… all executive and judicial Officers, both of the United States and of the several States, shall be bound by Oath or Affirmation, to support this Constitution…’ and as an elected official of the executive branch of local government, surely is bound by this oath. She breached that oath by interjecting her religious views into her duties as a public official, in violation of the Establishment Clause of the First Amendment.”
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Quite Interesting - Constitutional Law Professors Weigh in on Kim Davis Lawsuit (Original Post) RKP5637 Sep 2015 OP
she should lose her job Angry Dragon Sep 2015 #1
As has been pointed out many times, she can't be fired The Velveteen Ocelot Sep 2015 #2
I'm wondering if the judge will put this into receivership. n/t RKP5637 Sep 2015 #5
If there is a provision, she could be recalled... MrMickeysMom Sep 2015 #17
Yep, she's unfit to hold the office. ... but as another poster said she can't be outright fired. n/t RKP5637 Sep 2015 #3
K&R marym625 Sep 2015 #4
It definitely will. They are trying to establish precedence. It extends far far beyond Kim Davis. RKP5637 Sep 2015 #7
Shameful disrespect to our country and the Constitution. n/t marym625 Sep 2015 #9
Doesn't seem as if there is any real disagreement among these constitutional scholars... hlthe2b Sep 2015 #6
I'm wondering if the federal judge will put this into receivership. I'm not a lawyer, but RKP5637 Sep 2015 #8
operate the Clark's office under Federal supervision Downwinder Sep 2015 #10
Short version: DirkGently Sep 2015 #11
If you are a moral person nichomachus Sep 2015 #12
The 8th commandment. Glassunion Sep 2015 #13
There is not much to discuss Gothmog Sep 2015 #14
I wonder what course of action the federal judge will take ... n/t RKP5637 Sep 2015 #15
What if the Federal judge threw her back in jail for contempt? Manifestor_of_Light Sep 2015 #16
I've read a couple of things, that he could put that office into receivership. Then, it seems I read RKP5637 Sep 2015 #18

The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,742 posts)
2. As has been pointed out many times, she can't be fired
Sat Sep 26, 2015, 12:46 PM
Sep 2015

because she is an elected official. Only the legislature can remove her, and it doesn't look like they will.

MrMickeysMom

(20,453 posts)
17. If there is a provision, she could be recalled...
Sat Sep 26, 2015, 02:41 PM
Sep 2015

… and if that's in the local or state constitution, then the pressure to do so should follow!

RKP5637

(67,111 posts)
3. Yep, she's unfit to hold the office. ... but as another poster said she can't be outright fired. n/t
Sat Sep 26, 2015, 12:47 PM
Sep 2015

marym625

(17,997 posts)
4. K&R
Sat Sep 26, 2015, 12:48 PM
Sep 2015

Thank you!

I have said it before and I hope my fears are never realized; if she gets away with this, it's the beginning of the end. It will cause a train wreck that won't be stopped and clerks all over the country will start deciding what laws they will and won't enforce.

RKP5637

(67,111 posts)
7. It definitely will. They are trying to establish precedence. It extends far far beyond Kim Davis.
Sat Sep 26, 2015, 12:52 PM
Sep 2015

They want to inject their brand of religion. And then use this test for precedence, of course, when they do their next stunt.

hlthe2b

(102,297 posts)
6. Doesn't seem as if there is any real disagreement among these constitutional scholars...
Sat Sep 26, 2015, 12:48 PM
Sep 2015

(as well there should NOT be)

RKP5637

(67,111 posts)
8. I'm wondering if the federal judge will put this into receivership. I'm not a lawyer, but
Sat Sep 26, 2015, 12:56 PM
Sep 2015

it seems that might be one way to end this entire charade by Kim Davis and her cohorts.

DirkGently

(12,151 posts)
11. Short version:
Sat Sep 26, 2015, 01:56 PM
Sep 2015

The Constitution is the supreme law of the land.

The huge disqualifying factor for both the "religious freedom" and "civil disobedience" parallels attempted to be drawn is that Davis' "belief" is that she'd like to abuse and discriminate against people.

That's not a "right," nor is it the type of belief that deserves any kind of accommodation.

There is an old bromide Wikipedia attributes to American judicial philosopher Zechariah Chaffee that makes the point pretty well:

"Your right to swing your arms ends just where the other man's nose begins."

nichomachus

(12,754 posts)
12. If you are a moral person
Sat Sep 26, 2015, 02:09 PM
Sep 2015

And your jobs requires you to do something you consider immoral -- you quit your job.

It's not that freaking hard. You don't need to be a law professor to figure it out.

Refusing to do your job and follow the law, while still taking your salary, is immoral. She is basically a thief.

Gothmog

(145,335 posts)
14. There is not much to discuss
Sat Sep 26, 2015, 02:31 PM
Sep 2015

This is not a close constitutional issue and the attorneys representing Davis are idiots and are committing malpractice. This is not a close legal call at all which is reflected by the comments of the law professors.

 

Manifestor_of_Light

(21,046 posts)
16. What if the Federal judge threw her back in jail for contempt?
Sat Sep 26, 2015, 02:35 PM
Sep 2015

She is not following the Constitution (SCOTUS ruling) and not discharging the duties of her office, which is a state misdemeanor.

RKP5637

(67,111 posts)
18. I've read a couple of things, that he could put that office into receivership. Then, it seems I read
Sat Sep 26, 2015, 02:46 PM
Sep 2015

someplace he could rule she was a criminal and put her into a trial with something like a mandatory 6 month jail sentence. She is being used as a stooge by her attorneys. And, they are getting wealthy at the same time. The whole herd of them are delusional IMO. I also heard a Public Defender could be assigned by the judge to handle her clerk affairs getting her entirely out of the picture.

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