Obama is furious with us, and he's right to be

[loyalsister]

The NRAs power is that they are organized and effective ad peddlers. The tea party's power derives from their fearlessness. We need to be less afraid and more organized. We really need some leadership here. If nothing happens, I bet Obama will take it on with the kind of zeal that drove Carter with Habitat for Humanity.

Obama is furious with us, and he's right to be. We should be furious with ourselves. We should still be screaming about those 20 dead children, and the hundreds of bodies that have followed them.

President Obama stood in a room named for a man who gave three decades of his life to making the nation safe from guns, and he told us nothing would happen until we took action, until we replaced a do-nothing Congress with one that would do something, anything to stop the killings.

He's right; it's on us.



Read more: http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/obama-blames-us-for-the-oregon-shooting-and-hes-right-20151002#ixzz3nY6JoTKD
Follow us: @rollingstone on Twitter | RollingStone on Facebook

[Evergreen Emerald]

1. We let him down

Many times. He wanted to lead a revolution. And once we elected him, we sat down and expected him to do it all. How many times did he ask us for help? How many times has he said he cannot do it without us. And we stayed seated.

He should be made at us.

[loyalsister]

4. Yep

I think a lot of it goes back to a myriad of flawed understandings of the US presidency.

[Freelancer]

6. Poppycock!! Where was Obama when 100,000 were marching in Madison? Hunkered somewhere, I guess

He swore he'd march wherever unions were in trouble, as a candidate, and let Wisconsinites go down in flames when the rubber met the road. He's shown weakness at every juncture when he could have stood with us against the Tea Party types.

Personally, I couldn't care less whether or not President Obama is "disappointed." Now he knows how many of us feel.

[R. Daneel Olivaw]

30. What a load of bullshit.

He wanted to lead a revolution.

Comfortable shoes? Nope.

TPP. Shhhhhhh, it's a secret.

Hellfire missiles vaporizing kids in foreign lands, or blowing up wedding parties. Wrong place wrong time.

Robust public option?

Wall Street?

Industry insiders?


Spare me the fairy tale.

The POTUS is voted in, and is expected to lead.


And if you want to blame yourself.

[Populist_Prole]

36. Agree

I voted for him over McGramps and Ms Crackpot, and Rmoney and Eddie Munster, but I wish he was a third; hell, I'd settle for a fifth, as furious at the corporate fascists as they complete their coup over the democratic process here.

[ColesCountyDem]

2. Kick. n/t

[Fred Sanders]

3. Obama is indeed righteously furious with us children for not being righteously furious enough with

the daily death and maiming of America by guns and racism, the result being now over a milllion gun deaths during just the past 6 administrations. I am not making that up! A million....plus the maimed, the injured, the emotionally and mentally wounded, the ripping apart of social safety, not to mention.

Any other nation would declare a national emergency but apparently only things like two deaths due to Ebola - and mass ignorance - or a brown boy with a scary clock, or highly distorted videos made with an agenda and somehow spun into a national financial crisis, meets the definition.


To me there is one word that explains and defines this not at all unique kind of misplaced and displaced fear....racism. Racism as it has ever been with the results as they they ever where.....a sick society.

A word I think encapsulates and, I think, is synonymous with - denial, lies, hate, ignorance and general mental instability.

How am I wrong?

Congress is in session. Anything short of pitchforks and torches in front of the building until the Deniers of the GOP are made to swallow some of their own manufactured lies and fear will be dissapointing as well.

While you are at it save some of the righteous anger and torchlight parade for some of the occupants of Rockefeller Square and Madison Avenue.

[R. Daneel Olivaw]

33. The on;y way congress would make a change is if congress became the victim.

But please stop with the "children" metaphors?

Obama is an adult. So are most of us.

[Fred Sanders]

41. It is more poetic license than metaphor, but I get your point and dismiss it.

[CentralMass]

5. We've heard rhetoric before. We had the presidency and control of congress in 2009.

The party has no coherent or cohesive platform. Their platform seems to be to get elected. To get as many corporate backers lined up to win and keep elective office.

There s no central voice, no common platform or message.

Actually, we do have one now. Bernie Sanders.

[Evergreen Emerald]

7. We did not have control--this myth has been busted numerous times.

The Myth of the Filibuster-Proof Democratic Senate
http://sandiegofreepress.org/2012/09/the-myth-of-the-filibuster-proof-democratic-senate/

"In all, Democrats had a shaky 60 vote supermajority for all of four months and one week;"

[Fred Sanders]

10. Not to worry. That zombie myth has been killed so many times even zombies are upset. Just laugh!

[CentralMass]

14. We had a majority of people in the country looking for change.

What we democrats saw was our own party be the majority that passed TARP. Including a Senator Obama.
We saw the promise of repealing the Bush tax cuts turn into the President actually lobbying Democratic members of congress to vote to not let them sunset in 2010.

All the oxygen and political capital in room was exhausted passing ACA. Let me saw that as a I am one of many working Americans paying for insurance that cant' afford to use it, particular for my own medical needs. My wife and kids needs come first. I've put off numerous medical issues for years. Our wages have remained stagnant for a decade or more. The middle class is badly broken.

We need the party to wake up and take notice. The knobs need to turned to let a little more of the wealth make it into he pockets of the peasants. Our government has been defunded by corporate bought politicians and the treasury had been pilfered by greedy corrupt and morally bankrupt entities, and to add insult to injury, they've stuck us with the tab

We are in a primary run up ? Do you think the American public has any sense that the Democratic party is the answer to the problems ?

[loyalsister]

8. I'm not sure a common platform\message would necessarily rival the problem

of money in politics (without it, a candidate cannot win). Massive voter turnout and ongoing active civic engagement? Maybe.

What definitely doesn't help is not voting and limiting our engagement to complaining.

[Aerows]

27. "Massive voter turnout and ongoing active civic engagement? Maybe."

And that's still a huge maybe because we have too many Democratic politicians sucking from the corporate lobbyist teat.

If every single politician in DC that mouthed the words "feeding from the government trough" put their supposed "principles" on the line, they would quit feeding from the corporate lobbyist 5 star buffet.

[Fred Sanders]

11. Zombie myths being so woefully attempted to be resurrected do not help Sanders or anyone else.

[Aerows]

22. Bingo. n/t

[Doctor_J]

9. What a load of shit

He's been the most timid "centrist" to live in the white house in my 60 years. He took huge congressional majorities and tons of political capital in 2008 and couldn't surrender fast enough. If it weren't for the tiger beat his approval would be Bush-like. Give it a rest, middleman. Let's see if you can stand up to the corporations once over the next 14 months.

[Fred Sanders]

12. Why do Sanders supporters cling to that zombie myth? To attack Obama(D)? It is embarrassing.

[Andy823]

18. Not all of them do

But the same Hillary haters were the first Obama haters on this board also, the just are putting more into trashing Hillary these days than Obama, but they still have to get a dig in once in a while at Obama. I wouldn't be a bit surprised that if Bernie were to win the nomination, and become president, the very same group would be going after him within a very short time of his taking office.

[Fred Sanders]

26. Yes, you are right. The Obama haters have shifted gears to also being Clinton haters...with the same

recycled amnesia.

[pnwmom]

19. He pulled us out of the deepest recession since the Great Depression, against

a Rethug party that would have preferred to see the economy collapse than let him succeed. And he managed to pass a health care bill without a single Rethug vote.

You're the one peddling crap.

[ibegurpard]

38. you mean the great public dollars giveaway

To health insurance corporations? I would have preferred actual healthcare thanks.

[pnwmom]

40. Bernie Sanders voted FOR it because he knew your pipe dream wasn't possible.

Not in that year, not with that Congress.

You would have preferred the nothing we had, but millions of people have benefited.

[Fred Sanders]

42. Do you see any difference in the exLW and exRW attacks on Obama and Clinton because I do not?!

And of course they do not care for your so called "history" or "facts" or "logic", because that is nothing in the face of their firmly held beliefs and myths and syrupy dreams.

We have a system of complex thinking, they have a system of complex mythology.

And I think we all know it so we all should just put it right out there in the open out, there in the open with the entire existence of Man on the line and let the better system win.

Final Final, Fantasy: Science versus Religion, the End of Days.

[kiva]

13. Well, I'm not feeling too happy about him at the moment either:

Airstrike Hits Doctors Without Borders Hospital in Afghanistan

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/10/04/world/asia/afghanistan-bombing-hospital-doctors-without-borders-kunduz.html

[pecwae]

35. +++ nt

[ScreamingMeemie]

15. He needs to look in the mirror.

I'm rather furious with him. Funny that.

[Skittles]

16. because he has been SO busy battling the NRA all this time

please

[Bonobo]

17. +1 nt

[Aerows]

24. Well I know that every one of us on DU

has been a major beneficiary of gun lobbyist money.

Oh wait, we haven't we just watch people in our communities get gunned down and hear platitudes from the ones that have been the beneficiaries of said lobbyist money.

[GeorgeGist]

20. Is Obama a slacker?

"We really need some leadership here."

[Bonobo]

21. Sounds disturbingly like Jeremiah wailing "God is angry at us!". nt

[R. Daneel Olivaw]

31. I truly hate it when out politicians are venerated as gods and we become the children-folk.

[KG]

23. I lulz'd

[Aerows]

25. If all of us on DU

quit accepting gun lobbyist money, we could really change things!

Oh wait. Who on DU has accepted gun lobbyist money?

[mwrguy]

28. The American people have truly let him down

[msongs]

29. the "American people" are not the ones going around the planet blasting weddings with drones nt

[R. Daneel Olivaw]

32. Or vaporizing children.

[R. Daneel Olivaw]

34. ...

The POTUS is a man. He's not a god.

[ibegurpard]

37. Obama has fought progressives on every major policy issue

Of his presidency.
He's on his own.

[loyalsister]

39. So.. abandon progressive values to punish him after he is no longer even president???

He knows full well that this congress is not going to do anything. He was talking about electing a congress that will pass some regulations.

Disagreement with the president is no excuse for abandoning civic responsibility to give a damn about the future.