A 74-year old British grandfather faces 350 lashes, in public, in Saudi Arabia

[Fred Sanders]

http://news.nationalpost.com/news/world/a-74-year-old-british-grandfather-faces-350-lashes-in-saudi-arabia-for-having-wine

Karl Andree is a 74-year-old British grandfather. For the past 25 years, he has lived in Saudi Arabia, working with local oil companies. According to his children, he was quite happy there, even when his wife, Verity, was forced to return to Britain to help cope with her worsening Alzheimer’s.

However, Andree has suffered serious problems in Saudi Arabia over the past year – and his problems may well spell trouble for relations between Britain and Saudi Arabia.

On Aug. 25, 2014, he was arrested by religious police in Jiddah after they allegedly found bottles of homemade wine in his car. He has served a one-year prison sentence for possessing alcohol, which is illegal in the conservative Islamic country. However, he has not been released – and his family said he now faces 350 lashes in a public flogging.

“My dad broke the rules in a country that does not allow alcohol, but he’s served his time,” his daughter, Kirsten, told the Sun tabloid this week. “Dad is 74 and not a well man. I worry he won’t survive this ordeal.”





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I am quite confused...why again is America and Britian friends and allies, not to mention massive arms suppliers, to this oil-rich regime that makes the evil of North Korea look like Norway?

An arms and trade emargo being imposed on Saudi the very same day America begins lifting them on Iran would signal a clear shift in American foreign policing long overdue, not to mention the timing is perfect.

http://www.newsweek.com/first-50-1000-lashes-saudi-blogger-sentenced-insulting-islam-298265

[RKP5637]

1. Excellent question you pose, I often wonder the same. My hunch

is it's all about $$$$$$$$'s. The MIC is making money off the deals. And none in the US on the take want to rock the gravy boat. They likely consider it collateral damage in their pursuit of $$$$$$$'s. IMO, the US wears two faces. One disgusting and the other OK.

[Fred Sanders]

2. The relationship between the West and Saudi offends me as you say, but it also is offensive

to me on a more fundamental level, as a logician.

From The Book of Healing, circa 1000 A.D., Persia

Logic

An early formal system of temporal logic was studied by Avicenna.[62] Although he did not develop a real theory of temporal propositions, he did study the relationship between temporalis and the implication.[63] Avicenna's work was further developed by Najm al-Dīn al-Qazwīnī al-Kātibī and became the dominant system of Islamic logic until modern times.[64][65] Avicennian logic also influenced several early European logicians such as Albertus Magnus[66] and William of Ockham.[67][68] Avicenna endorsed the law of noncontradiction proposed by Aristotle, that a fact could not be both true and false at the same time and in the same sense of the terminology used. He stated, "Anyone who denies the law of noncontradiction should be beaten and burned until he admits that to be beaten is not the same as not to be beaten, and to be burned is not the same as not to be burned."[69]

The last sentence is a keeper!

[RKP5637]

3. Definitely!!! Agree!!! We are swamped with convoluted logic

in the US.

[Hassin Bin Sober]

4. My uncle lived in Saudi in the 80s.

He retired from the U.S. Air force and got a great job working for defense contractors.

He used to tell us crazy stories about beheadings and how they would push Americans up to the front.

They all had stills and home brewed beer in their houses on "the compound".

My aunt stayed in the States until the kids were grown. When she eventually moved over there she didn't care much for their rules. she would dress like a man and drive a car around town.

I think things are much worse there now.