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David Talbot talks with Mother Jones about the book we talked about on DU in 2013:
You Think the NSA Is Bad? Meet Former CIA Director Allen Dulles.
In a new book, David Talbot makes the case that the CIA head under Eisenhower and Kennedy may have been a psychopath.
By Aaron Wiener
MotherJones | Sat Oct. 10, 2015
"What follows," David Talbot boasts in the prologue to his new book The Devil's Chessboard, "is an espionage adventure that is far more action-packed and momentous than any spy tale with which readers are familiar." Talbot, the founder of Salon.com and author of the Kennedy clan study Brothers, doesn't deal in subtlety in his biography of Allen Dulles, the CIA director under presidents Eisenhower and Kennedy, the younger brother of Secretary of State John Foster Dulles, and the architect of a secretive national security apparatus that functioned as essentially an autonomous branch of government. Talbot offers a portrait of a black-and-white Cold War-era world full of spy games and nuclear brinkmanship, in which everyone is either a good guy or a bad guy. Dulleswho deceived American elected leaders and overthrew foreign ones, who backed ex-Nazis and thwarted left-leaning democratsfalls firmly in the latter camp.
Mother Jones chatted with Talbot about the reporting that went into his 704-page doorstop, the controversy he invited with his discussion of Kennedy-assassination conspiracy theories, and the parallels he sees in today's government intelligence overreach.
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MJ: Is that why you chose not to include much about Dulles' childhood or his internal strife or the other types of things that tend to dominate biographies?
DT: I focused on those elements that I thought were important to understanding him. I thought other books covered that ground fairly well before me. But what they left out was the interesting nuances and shadow aspects of Dulles's biography. I think that you can make a case, although I didn't explicitly say this in the book, for Allen Dulles being a psychopath.
They've done studies of people in power, and they all have to be, to some extent, on the spectrum. You have to be unfeeling to a certain extent to send people to their death in war and take the kind of actions that men and women in power routinely have to take. But with Dulles, I think he went to the next step. His own wife and mistress called him "the Shark." His favorite word was whether you were "useful" to him or not. And this went for people he was sleeping with or people he was manipulating in espionage or so on. He was the kind of man that could cold-bloodedly, again and again, send people to their death, including people he was familiar with and supposedly fond of.
There's a thread there between people like Dulles up through Dick Cheney and [Donald] Rumsfeldwho was sitting at Dulles's knee at one point. I was fascinated to find that correspondence between a young Congressman Rumsfeld and Allen Dulles, who he was looking to for wisdom and guidance as a young politician.
MJ: I'm interested to hear you mention Rumsfeld. Do you think the Bush years compared in ruthlessness or secrecy to what was going on under Dulles?
DT: Definitely. That same kind of dynamic was revived or in some ways expanded after 9/11 by the Bush-Cheney-Rumsfeld administration. Those guys very much were in keeping with the sort of Dulles ethic, that of complete ruthlessness. It's this feeling of unaccountability, that democratic sanctions and regulations don't make sense in today's ruthless world.
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http://www.motherjones.com/media/2015/10/book-review-devils-chessboard-david-talbot
MisterP
(23,730 posts)the two bell-ends came from different origins and had wildly different domains, but it's interesting to see just how influential their "students" became
Octafish
(55,745 posts)DCI Dulles' brother, Secretary of State John Foster Dulles, was fond of Diego Rivera's mural. I understand he used it for a Christmas card one year.
Thanks for the heads-up on Plutopia. Those few who control the biggest guns, for some undemocratic reason, seem to enjoy the biggest share of the pie, MisterP.
MisterP
(23,730 posts)and that's the danger of these visions, because it can serve a supposed anti-imperialism and that makes it much harder to oppose the technocracy being imposed: the PRI promised that with the land and money and science in Third-World hands the Millennium was upon us--even US advice in repression was in service to this progressive, utopian vision: heck, the Halcones taught the CIA and Pentagon a thing or two about keeping the peones down
but at least they didn't promise power in *bottles* like the King of Tercermundismo did
Octafish
(55,745 posts)Fascinating history, MisterP. Never heard nothing about no cold/hot or whatever fusion coming out of Isla Huemul.
http://eandt.theiet.org/magazine/2015/07/huemul-nuclear-fusion.cfm
Like War Inc, la cosa entera huele a mula.
Coulda been somethin'...
"Mom! The Tokamak's busted!"
MisterP
(23,730 posts)and cost us a few towers in Manhattan
wildbilln864
(13,382 posts)Octafish
(55,745 posts)Yet, secret wars for secret profiteers go on and on and on.
KA-CHING: The Company Getting Rich Off the ISIS War
For the Middle East, the growth of the self-proclaimed Islamic State has been a catastrophe.
For one American firm, its been a gold mine.
by Kate Brannen
08.02.15
The war against ISIS isnt going so great, with the self-appointed terror group standing up to a year of U.S. airstrikes in Syria and Iraq.
But that hasnt kept defense contractors from doing rather well amidst the fighting. Lockheed Martin has received orders for thousands of more Hellfire missiles. AM General is busy supplying Iraq with 160 American-built Humvee vehicles, while General Dynamics is selling the country millions of dollars worth of tank ammunition.
SOS International, a family-owned business whose corporate headquarters are in New York City, is one of the biggest players on the ground in Iraq, employing the most Americans in the country after the U.S. Embassy. On the companys board of advisors: former Deputy Defense Secretary Paul Wolfowitzconsidered to be one of the architects of the invasion of Iraqand Paul Butler, a former special assistant to Pentagon chief Donald Rumsfeld.
The company, which goes by SOSi, says on its website that the contracts its been awarded for work in Iraq in 2015 have a total value of more than $400 million. They include a $40 million contract to provide everything from meals to perimeter security to emergency fire and medical services at Iraqs Besmaya Compound, one of the sites where U.S. troops are training Iraqi soldiers. The Army awarded SOSi a separate $100 million contract in late June for similar services at Camp Taji. The Pentagon expects that contract to last through June 2018.
A year after U.S. airstrikes began targeting the so-called Islamic State in Iraq, there are 3,500 U.S. troops deployed there, training and advising Iraqi troops. But a number that is not discussed is the growing number of contractors required to support these operations. According to the U.S. military, there are 6,300 contractors working in Iraq today, supporting U.S. operations. Separately, the State Department is seeking janitorial services, drivers, linguists, and security contractors to work at its Iraqi facilities.
While these numbers pale in comparison to the more than 163,000 working in Iraq at the peak of the Iraq War, they are steadily growing. And with the fight against ISIS expected to take several years, it also represents a growing opportunity for defense, security, and logistics contractors, especially as work in Afghanistan begins to dry up.
It allows us to maintain the façade of no boots on the ground while at the same time growing our footprint, said Laura Dickinson, a law professor at George Washington University whose recent work has focused on regulating private military contractors.
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http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/08/02/the-company-getting-rich-off-of-the-isis-war.html
Ideological and biological descendants of the brothers Dulles are the people who lied America into wars without end for profits without cease. Truth is what holds them to account.
hifiguy
(33,688 posts)of his later counterpart, War Criminal Henry Kissinger.
He and Foster were the founding fathers of the Permanent Government/Deep State that has destroyed this country's political institutions.
And consider this:
Dulles lied JFK into signing off on the Bay of Pigs.
After the colossal failure and embarrassment of that fiasco, Kennedy personally fired Dulles as head of the CIA and threatened to "break the CIA into a thousand pieces."
Dulles had been directly and personally responsible for the assassination or removal of countless "obstacles" to the hegemony of US moneyed interests, Mossadegh, Arbenz and Lumumba to name only the most well known.
Somehow, Dulles turns up on the commission investigating the murder of the man who fired him, John Kennedy. How very convenient.
I have thought for years that if there was one man who gave the final order to rub out JFK, that man would have been Allen Dulles. The dots are as close together as particles in the Large Hadron Collider.
Octafish
(55,745 posts)We inhabit the one where the System is labeled "Justice." And the reality is the place works for "Just-Us." Matt Groening, before he met Rupert Murdoch, called it by its proper cognomen.
David Talbot is one of those -- like you, hifiguy -- who understand the place and what we need to know to bust out of it -- and then shut it down, once and for all. Until we do, World War II is not really over.
Holly_Hobby
(3,033 posts)Octafish
(55,745 posts)Sometimes, it takes knowing the "Who" of a story to get people to understand the "How in the Hell did the world get like this?" part of a story.
Every president has been manipulated by national security officials: David Talbot exposes Americas deep state
From World War II though JFK, "The Devil's Chessboard" explores how Allen Dulles used the CIA as a tool of elites
LIAM O'DONOGHUE
Salon.com, Oct. 15, 2015
This years best spy thriller isnt fiction its history. David Talbots previous book, the bestseller Brothers: The Hidden History of the Kennedy Years explored Robert F. Kennedys search for the truth following his brothers murder. His new work, The Devils Chessboard: Allen Dulles, the CIA, and the Rise of Americas Secret Government, zooms out from JFKs murder to investigate the rise of the shadowy network that Talbot holds ultimately responsible for the presidents assassination.
This isnt merely a whodunit story, though. Talbots ultimate goal is exploring how the rise of the deep state has impacted the trajectory of America, and given our nations vast influence, the rest of the planet. To thoroughly and honestly analyze (former CIA director) Allen Dulless legacy is to analyze the current state of national security in America and how it undermines democracy, Talbot told Salon. To really grapple with what is in my book is not just to grapple with history. It is to grapple with our current problems.
Just as Americas current national security apparatus has used terrorism as a justification for spying on American citizens, torture, and the annihilation of innocent civilians as collateral damage, Talbot places these justifications in a Cold War context, by showing how spymaster Allen Dulles shrugged off countless atrocities using the threat of communism. For readers unfamiliar with Dulles history, the first few chapters are like being splashed in the face with a bucket of ice water. Talbots assertion that Dulles is a psychopath is hard to dismiss after the intelligence agent is shown covering up the Holocaust prior to Americas intervention into World War II by keeping crucial information exposing the horrors of concentration camps from reaching President Roosevelt. Allen Dulles and his fellow Cold Warriors saw Russia, a U.S. ally during World War II not Nazi Germany as the real enemy.
Jumping from geopolitical strategy to the psychological realm, Talbot details how it was not only enemies who had reason to fear Dulles, but his own friends and family, as well. The book veers into a dark, terrifying investigation of the MKUltra Project, a hideous mind control program developed by the CIA during Dulles reign as director, that dosed unsuspecting people with LSD, pushed the limits of sleep deprivation and engaged in other deeply unethical experiments. The program has been exposed, bit by bit, over decades, thanks to lawsuits and previous investigative reporting, but Talbot sheds light on how Dulles subjected his own son and attempted to enroll his wife in these hideous therapies.
By the time The Devils Chessboard eventually climaxes with the events that unfolded in Dallas in 1963, Talbots argument that Dulles had both the power and temperament to execute such a plot is more than believable. Dulles favorite word about someone was whether they were useful or not, Talbot said. And thats the way he thought of everyone to what extent could he use them.
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It's connecting the dots the CIA Controlled & Corporate Owned News will never mention, even if their secret Swiss bank accounts depended on it.
hifiguy
(33,688 posts)I am on pins and needles waiting to read that book.
The Naziphilia of 'murka's Rich and Powerful started with the rise of the Austrian Corporal and has been with us ever since. Even through WW II.
bmyrab
(6 posts)Understand it and we'll understand why the country is so screwed up now.
"The Devil's Chessboard" helps decrypt the American rosetta stone.
David Talbot did an amazing job writing it.
We need to do everything we can to promote it.
The corporate media is ignoring this book as hard as they can.
WillyT
(72,631 posts)Octafish
(55,745 posts)David Talbots The Devils Chessboard Allen Dulles, the CIA and the Rise of Americas Secret Government (Harper-Collins, NY, 2015
A Preview of the New Political Landscape
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Dulles downfall the Bay of Pigs, was a major blunder, conceived during the Eisenhower administration and carried out shortly after Kennedy took office. While JFK approved the relocation of the invasion beach, refused to permit a second and necessary air strike, and took responsibility for the failure of the operation, he privately blamed Dulles for conceiving, approving and convincing him such a harebrained scheme would work.
Talbot correctly assumes the contemporary consensus that the Bay of Pigs operation was designed to fail and force the president to order a large scale American military intervention, as LBJ would do in the Dominican Republic shortly after assuming office, but JFK balked and refused to do what the CIA and military leaders assumed he would.
A genuine story teller with a narrative flair, Talbot begins with Allen Dulles walking around his Georgetown neighborhood past Dumbarton Oaks with the editor of Harpers Magazine, trying to explain his side of the Bay of Pigs debacle. Dulles would write an article on the subject for Harpers that was never published but Talbot found it among Dulles papers.
In reading this book I found that Talbot presents many of the basic facts but leaves a lot of supporting details out, details that will eventually come out and fill some of the missing pieces of the puzzle, such as the fact that the Harvard Research Center at Dumbarton Oaks was run for many years by a Harvard Russian associate who just happened to be present in the American Embassy office in Moscow when former Marine Lee Harvey Oswald presented his passport and announced his defection.
On the Devils Chessboard Oswald is a mere pawn whose movements were closely monitored by the CIA as well as the Soviets, but Talbot doesnt give him credit for the dastardly deed most mainstream historians attribute to him - killing JFK all by himself. Rather, Talbot portrays Oswald as a political pawn in Dulles orbit and caught up in the intelligence network web that was responsible for the Dealey Plaza operation and implies that he was framed for the crime.
In a real game of chess, it is highly unlikely if not impossible for a pawn to take out a King, but thats exactly what Oswald is supposed to have done, and he was certainly maneuvered into position to do so.
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http://jfkcountercoup.blogspot.com/
My Friend WillyT, it really may be we are starting to see the spaghetti hit the fan for the warmongers and gangsters.
CanSocDem
(3,286 posts)...from Mother Jones caught my eye:
'The surveillance state that Snowden and others have exposed is very much a legacy of the Dulles past. I think Dulles would have been delighted by how technology and other developments have allowed the American security state to go much further than he went. He had to build a team of cutthroats and assassins on the ground to go around eliminating the people he wanted to eliminate, who he felt were in the way of American interests. He called them communists. We call them terrorists today. And of course the most controversial part of my book, I'm sure, will be the end, where I say there was blowback from that. Because that killing machine in some way was brought back home.'
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Octafish
(55,745 posts)Ideas like "Justice," "Liberty" and "Democracy" may be missing from humanity's thoughts in the future if we don't wake the heck up now.
Time-Tested Weapons for U.S. Global Power
By Alfred McCoy
Tomgram, Jan. 19, 2014
For more than six months, Edward Snowdens revelations about the National Security Agency (NSA) have been pouring out from the Washington Post, the New York Times, the Guardian, Germanys Der Spiegel, and Brazils O Globo, among other places. Yet no one has pointed out the combination of factors that made the NSAs expanding programs to monitor the world seem like such a slam-dunk development in Washington. The answer is remarkably simple. For an imperial power losing its economic grip on the planet and heading into more austere times, the NSAs latest technological breakthroughs look like a bargain basement deal when it comes to projecting power and keeping subordinate allies in line -- like, in fact, the steal of the century. Even when disaster turned out to be attached to them, the NSAs surveillance programs have come with such a discounted price tag that no Washington elite was going to reject them.
For well over a century, from the pacification of the Philippines in 1898 to trade negotiations with the European Union today, surveillance and its kissing cousins, scandal and scurrilous information, have been key weapons in Washingtons search for global dominion. Not surprisingly, in a post-9/11 bipartisan exercise of executive power, George W. Bush and Barack Obama have presided over building the NSA step by secret step into a digital panopticon designed to monitor the communications of every American and foreign leaders worldwide.
What exactly was the aim of such an unprecedented program of massive domestic and planetary spying, which clearly carried the risk of controversy at home and abroad? Here, an awareness of the more than century-long history of U.S. surveillance can guide us through the billions of bytes swept up by the NSA to the strategic significance of such a program for the planets last superpower. What the past reveals is a long-term relationship between American state surveillance and political scandal that helps illuminate the unacknowledged reason why the NSA monitors Americas closest allies.
[font color="green"]Not only does such surveillance help gain intelligence advantageous to U.S. diplomacy, trade relations, and war-making, but it also scoops up intimate information that can provide leverage -- akin to blackmail -- in sensitive global dealings and negotiations of every sort. The NSAs global panopticon thus fulfills an ancient dream of empire. With a few computer key strokes, the agency has solved the problem that has bedeviled world powers since at least the time of Caesar Augustus: how to control unruly local leaders, who are the foundation for imperial rule, by ferreting out crucial, often scurrilous, information to make them more malleable.[/font color]
A Cost-Savings Bonanza With a Downside
Once upon a time, such surveillance was both expensive and labor intensive. Today, however, unlike the U.S. Armys shoe-leather surveillance during World War I or the FBIs break-ins and phone bugs in the Cold War years, the NSA can monitor the entire world and its leaders with only 100-plus probes into the Internets fiber optic cables.
This new technology is both omniscient and omnipresent beyond anything those lacking top-secret clearance could have imagined before the Edward Snowden revelations began. Not only is it unimaginably pervasive, but NSA surveillance is also a particularly cost-effective strategy compared to just about any other form of global power projection. And better yet, it fulfills the greatest imperial dream of all: to be omniscient not just for a few islands, as in the Philippines a century ago, or a couple of countries, as in the Cold War era, but on a truly global scale.
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http://www.tomdispatch.com/blog/175795/tomgram%3A_alfred_mccoy,_it's_about_blackmail,_not_national_security/
Why does this matter, when my house is about to get foreclosed because my job got offshored? It's tied in, when Wall Street and War Inc. are where the really Big Bucks go to get made. For We the People are the ones who ALWAYS get "the haircut."
Sometimes a fortune rests on a mere scrap of information, like in a "Fistful of Dollars."
CIA moonlights in corporate world
In the midst of two wars and the fight against Al Qaeda, the CIA is offering operatives a chance to peddle their expertise to private companies on the side a policy that gives financial firms and hedge funds access to the nations top-level intelligence talent, POLITICO has learned.
In one case, these active-duty officers moonlighted at a hedge-fund consulting firm that wanted to tap their expertise in deception detection, the highly specialized art of telling when executives may be lying based on clues in a conversation.
The never-before-revealed policy comes to light as the CIA and other intelligence agencies are once again under fire for failing to connect the dots, this time in the Christmas Day bombing plot on Northwest Flight 253.
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But the close ties between active-duty and retired CIA officers at one consulting company show the degree to which CIA-style intelligence gathering techniques have been employed by hedge funds and financial institutions in the global economy.
The firm is called Business Intelligence Advisors, and it is based in Boston. BIA was founded and is staffed by a number of retired CIA officers, and it specializes in the arcane field of deception detection. BIAs clients have included Goldman Sachs and the enormous hedge fund SAC Capital Advisors, according to spokesmen for both firms.
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http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0110/32290.html#ixzz0eIFPhHBh
Then there's the signature tradition of playing both sides off the middle, like selling rifles to both the Allies and the Central Powers during World War I, or the bounty hunters in "For a Few Dollars More" getting one inside to work out.
Stratfor: executive boasted of 'trusted former CIA cronies'
By Alex Spillius, Diplomatic Correspondent
9:08PM GMT 28 Feb 2012
The Telegraph
A senior executive with the private intelligence firm Stratfor boasted to colleagues about his "trusted former CIA cronies" and promised to "see what I can uncover" about a classified FBI investigation, according to emails released by the WikiLeaks.
Fred Burton, vice president of intelligence at the Texas firm, also informed members of staff that he had a copy of the confidential indictment on Julian Assange, the founder of WikiLeaks.
The second batch of five million internal Stratfor emails obtained by the Anonymous computer hacking group revealed that the company has high level sources within the United States and other governments, runs a network of paid informants that includes embassy staff and journalists and planned a hedge fund, Stratcap, based on its secret intelligence.
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Mr Assange labelled the company as a "private intelligence Enron", in reference to the energy giant that collapsed after a false accounting scandal.
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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/9111784/Stratfor-executive-boasted-of-trusted-former-CIA-cronies.html
Then, there's Booz Allen, NSA's go-to private spyhaus, vacuums and filters the right stuff for Carlyle Group, a buy-partisan business which always seems to know where and what to bomb and make a buck, but the lines between sides turned out be fuzzy and amorphous nebula-like -- like in "The Good, the Bad, and the Ugly."
The Knights of the Revolving Door
When War is Swell: the Carlyle Group and the Middle East at War
by JEFFREY ST. CLAIR
CounterPunch, Weekend Edition September 6-8, 2013
Paris.
A couple of weeks ago, in a dress rehearsal for her next presidential campaign, Hillary Clinton, the doyenne of humanitarian interventionism, made a pit-stop at the Carlyle Group to brief former luminaries of the imperial war rooms about her shoot-first-dont-ask-questions foreign policy.
For those of you who have put the playbill of the Bush administration into a time capsule and buried it beneath the compost bin, the Carlyle Group is essentially a hedge fund for war-making and high tech espionage. They are the people who brought you the Iraq war and all those intrusive niceties of Homeland Security. Call them the Knights of the Revolving Door, many of Carlyles executives and investors having spent decades in the Pentagon, the CIA or the State Department, before cashing in for more lucrative careers as war profiteers. They are now licking their chops at the prospect for an all-out war against Syria, no doubt hoping that the conflagration will soon spread to Lebanon, Jordan and, the big prize, Iran.
For a refresher course on the sprawling tentacles of the Carlyle Group, heres an essay that first appeared in CounterPunchs print edition in 2004. Sadly, not much has changed in the intervening years, except these feted souls have gotten much, much richer. JSC
Across all fronts, Bushs war deteriorates with stunning rapidity. The death count of American soldiers killed in Iraq will soon top 1000, with no end in sight. The members of the handpicked Iraqi Governor Council are being knocked off one after another. Once loyal Shia clerics, like Ayatollah Sistani, are now telling the administration to pull out or face a nationalist insurgency. The trail of culpability for the abuse, torture and murder of Iraqi detainees seems to lead inexorably into the office of Donald Rumsfeld. The war for Iraqi oil has ended up driving the price of crude oil through the roof. Even Kurdish leaders, brutalized by the Baathists for decades, are now saying Iraq was a safer place under their nemesis Saddam Hussein. Like Medea whacking her own kids, the US turned on its own creation, Ahmed Chalabi, raiding his Baghdad compound and fingering him as an agent of the ayatollahs of Iran. And on and on it goes.
Still not all of the presidents men are in a despairing mood. Amid the wreckage, there remain opportunities for profit and plunder. Halliburton and Bechtels triumphs in Iraq have been chewed over for months. Less well chronicled is the profiteering of the Carlyle Group, a company with ties that extend directly into the Oval Office itself.
Even Pappy Bush stands in line to profit handsomely from his sons war making. The former president is on retainer with the Carlyle Group, the largest privately held defense contractor in the nation. Carlyle is run by Frank Carlucci, who served as the National Security advisor and Secretary of Defense under Ronald Reagan. Carlucci has his own embeds in the current Bush administration. At Princeton, his college roommate was Donald Rumsfeld. Theyve remained close friends and business associates ever since. When you have friends like this, you dont need to hire lobbyists..
Bush Sr. serves as a kind of global emissary for Carlyle. The ex-president doesnt negotiate arms deals; he simply opens the door for them, a kind of high level meet-and-greet. His special area of influence is the Middle East, primarily Saudi Arabia, where the Bush family has extensive business and political ties. According to an account in the Washington Post, Bush Sr. earns around $500,000 for each speech he makes on Carlyles behalf.
One of the Saudi investors lured to Carlyle by Bush was the BinLaden Group, the construction conglomerate owned by the family of Osama bin Laden. According to an investigation by the Wall Street Journal, Bush convinced Shafiq Bin Laden, Osamas half brother, to sink $2 million of BinLaden Group money into Carlyles accounts. In a pr move, the Carlyle group cut its ties to the BinLaden Group in October 2001.
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http://www.counterpunch.org/2013/09/06/when-war-is-swell-the-carlyle-group-and-the-middle-east-at-war/
Sorry to cut and paste, but the subject needs mention. The reality is that underneath what shows for public navigators is one enormous iceberg made from blood-red ice, invisible to the proles and serfs who are doing their best to keep afloat in a frozen sea of austerity, endless war and debt servitude in what are, by far, the wealthiest times in human history.
Thank you for noticing, CanSocDem. The planet's people are going on a ride that's not of our choosing or making. About time someone asked the scary driver to pull over before the bus flies off the cliff.
bobthedrummer
(26,083 posts)stance or substances that will render an individual or animal HELPLESS and immobile, either consciously or unconsciously, until definite CONTROL measures can be instituted."
The "K" Problem (CIA declassified doc pdf about Dulles et.al. MKNAOMI)
http://www.voltairenet.org/IMG/pdf/the_K_problem.pdf
Consciously or unconsciously Dulles approved MIND CONTROL, for lack of a better term, re: the CIA and the neurosciences.
Today many of these US intelligence community neuroscientists and "therapists" are "no touch" TORTURERS.
Octafish
(55,745 posts)Explains a lot of U.S. history if Dr. Gottlieb really knew what he was doing.
(Studio) Former CIA official Dr. Sidney Gottlieb testifies that members of Richard Nixon's party may have been drugged during trip abroad. Gottlieb is testifying to Congress with regard to CIA drug experiments.
REPORTER: Walter Cronkite
(DC) Gottlieb confirms 20-yr. program of drug experiments by CIA and says agency feared Communists might have moved ahead in surreptitious drug use. As example, he says members of Nixon staff, include president's physician, reported series of bizarre symptoms during overseas trip. [GOTTLIEB - recalls symptoms men reported] Former CIA scientist says by time behavior reported, it was too late to check for drugs. Dr. Walter Tkach, who was on trip, declines comment. Gottlieb's confirmation of CIA's use of prostitutes to lure unsuspecting victims into hses. for LSD drug experiments cited. He also confirms CIA contributed $375,000 to help build wing onto Georgetown University Hospital in DC, but agency never got around to asking favors in return.
REPORTER: Fred Graham Artist: Aggie Whelan
(Studio) Gottlieb says he believes Nixon trip was made in 1971 and to nonfriendly country
REPORTER: Walter Cronkite
SOURCE: http://tvnews.vanderbilt.edu/program.pl?ID=254258
No worries. No theory.
Rex
(65,616 posts)Master Spy...lol...more like stupid waste of oxygen.
Octafish
(55,745 posts)Special Agent Don Adams of the FBI deserved to be seen and heard by billions. The guy was the real deal, a brave agent who stepped forward. Among his assassination-connected work, FBI Special Agent Don Adams interviewed racist Joseph Adams Milteer, a guy an FBI informant had taped detailing a pre-Dallas plot in Miami.
He wrote a book on the experience:
http://adamsjfk.com/?page_id=30
Why Milteer matters:
Joseph Adams Milteer, the guy Adams was sent to interview, had outlined what would happen in Dallas before it happened. For some reason, Mr. Hoover "let him go."
Then, there's the Hosty note:
FBI Special Agent James HOSTY destroyed evidence: a ''threatening'' note from Oswald.
A couple of weeks before the assassination, Hosty paid a visit to Marina Oswald's residence at the home of Ruth Paine. Hosty was looking for Lee Harvey Oswald, who was not home. Oswald later found out about the visit and stopped by the Dallas FBI office and dropped off a note addressed to Hosty that threatened to "blow up the FBI building" in the words of the secretary who received the note in an unsealed envelope and read it.
Hosty and the FBI never admitted the note's existence until 1975 when the HSCA looked investigated the matter. Hosty said the note was not a threat and, therefore, not material to the case. Investigators believe Dallas SAC Gordon Shanklin ordered the note destroyed on direct orders from FBI Director J Edgar Hoover, a couple of hours after Oswald's own assassination while in police custody.
The note was never mentioned to the Warren Commission.
Destroying evidence is obstruction of justice.
Then, there's the evidence of various threats against President Kennedy that Hoover ignored. Author and former NYT reporter Edwin Black wrote about the Chicago Plot, the same M.O. as Dallas, ambush, high-power rifles, high-rise, and one patsy by the name of Thomas Arthur Vallee, a USMC veteran from a U-2 base in Japan. The plot was broken up by the Secret Service in Chicago. Not that they wanted to, they sort of had to when the local cops got a call from a landlady with the guns, passports, maps and the Chicago "parade route" in Highlighter still on the bed.
Very important read in PDF:
http://www.thechicagoplot.com/The%20Chicago%20Plot.pdf