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Hillary was handed the Presidency...on a silver trey:
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Fred Sanders
(23,946 posts)Last edited Sat Oct 24, 2015, 09:57 AM - Edit history (1)
service to America - shockingly she has not been perfect while living in a glass house - but not because of the debate or the 11 hour marathon....those are a small, recent part of this formidable woman....to say Clinton now has a "lock" on the WH because of recent events or because of one Congressional appearance does her a disservice and amnesia a service.
Surely she is formidable enough to take nothing for granted, and a year before Election Day might as well be measured in light-years.
Cleita
(75,480 posts)Orrex
(63,224 posts)Sanders has already been handed a get-out-of-loss free card, in at least two ways:
1. If he loses the primary, his acolytes will declare that the election was fixed, decided in advance by Wall Street and special interests. They're already doing this, in fact, as a preemptive measure to take the sting out of the loss.
2. If he loses the primary, his acolytes will declare that he actually won, because he steered the discussion in this direction or that. They're already doing this, in fact, as a preemptive measure to take the sting out of the loss.
So Sanders has indeed been handed the golden ticket to insulate him and--by extension, his followers--against any responsibility for failure to win the primary. Must be nice.
Cal33
(7,018 posts)That's a lot of time -- especially for a fighter like Bernie Sanders. And who can really foretell what
unexpected events might happen between now and then?
Above all, Bernie is a smart and adept fighter. He just doesn't give up.
Orrex
(63,224 posts)Like Sanders, I will vote for the Democratic nominee, because I recognize that keeping the Republicans out of the Whitehouse is more important than grandstanding.
Yes, the Primaries are a long way off. But what will Sanders' supporters do if he doesn't win? Will they acknowledge the real danger of a Republican win in 2016, or will they sit on their hands solely for the pleasure of saying "I told you so" when we wind up with a 7-2 hard-right SCOTUS?
Cal33
(7,018 posts)are some hard-hats, I suppose, but I think the vast majority of us Sanders supporters
would not want to see a Republican win in 2016. This time it would mean the end of
democracy in our country. Few would want that, even when they may sound that
way. It would be cutting off one's nose to spite one's face!
sulphurdunn
(6,891 posts)to GW Bush with her formidable Iraq War vote, for which we continue to pay. She certainly takes nothing for granted.
Orrex
(63,224 posts)That's not a loyalty oath, no matter how eagerly it is claimed to be so; it's a simple question of pragmatism. Sanders sees the big picture much more clearly, it seems, than do some of his supporters.
blackspade
(10,056 posts)Why go down that road?
Orrex
(63,224 posts)It is indeed a simple matter of pragmatism, and more than a few here have declared that they won't vote for Clinton if Sanders loses the primary. In effect, they're asserting their view that the candidate must be Sanders, or else they'd prefer a Republican in the Whitehouse.
It's entirely reasonable to ask why Sanders supporters will maintain a dubiously principled stance that Sanders himself won't take. The endlessly parroted sentiment that "Hillary's just as bad as Republicans" is a naive Naderesque fiction that was foolish 15 years ago and will still be foolish a year from now. Why go down that road?
Wounded Bear
(58,706 posts)A year is time. A light year measures distance.
Fred Sanders
(23,946 posts)Gore1FL
(21,151 posts)Hoppy
(3,595 posts)PosterChild
(1,307 posts).... we would all be worse off, much worse off, without our wotld class financial institutions .
librechik
(30,676 posts)we need to solve that problem before I will be proud of Wall Street. To me they are just ignorant wastrels.
PosterChild
(1,307 posts)..... and no one, including of course Hillary, advocates an unregulated financial system. Nor does one exist.
As far as casinos go, all finance involves uncertainty, risk and speculation. That is inherent. One of the functions of financial transactions is to transfer speculative risk from those who are less able or less willing to bear it to those who are. Another is to average risk (socialize it) over many individuals or transactions to diminish it's impact in any particular case.
So financial transactions and institutions will always have the sense of a casino since risk management is part of their utility.
librechik
(30,676 posts)PosterChild
(1,307 posts)... and it may come to pass. It may be a difficult sell, however , since mutual funds and pension funds rely on frequent transactions and that would put a burden on savers and retirement funds . I think ending the carried interest loophole would be a good idea .
Hoppy
(3,595 posts)There are transactions on a monthly basis as new money comes in. Beyond that, not so much.
Hedge funds are different.
A solution would be to institute a transaction tax after, say 20 transactions per year.
PosterChild
(1,307 posts)... that it would be more burdensome than that, but I haven't looked into the actual numbers. If you have any statistics I would appreciate it if you would share.
One area that would definitely be affected would be high frequency automatic trading . On the theory that this is deleterious to the general welfare, a transaction tax would help to inhibit it.
Hoppy
(3,595 posts)change much from month to month.
blackspade
(10,056 posts)It's definitely an asset to the 1%. The rest of us? Not so much.
PosterChild
(1,307 posts).... as i said, our financial institutions are a national asset that greatly benifit all of us. Without them we would not be a modern, productive, industrial nation. The reason that wall street exerts great influence in our society is that it is fundamental benefit to the wealth and wdll being of our nation. It's basically that simple.
blackspade
(10,056 posts)Wall St is the manifestation of capitalism run amok devouring the hopes and dreams of the average person to benefit the rich and powerful.
It is a system that is broken beyond repair.
PosterChild
(1,307 posts)...hyperbolic and maybe a bit histrionic. IMHO. Our financial institutions generally serve the general welfare and we would be a lot poorer and less well off without them .
hifiguy
(33,688 posts)I repeat, TRILLIONS OF DOLLARS. Read Nomi Prins' "It Takes A Pillage" for the full background and mind-boggling dimensions of their theivery. And it is still going on every day.
It's a little difficult to remain blase about that kind of criminality.
PosterChild
(1,307 posts)....actual theft, and by "criminality" you mean actual crimes, then you aren't correct. They haven't stolen anything .
treestar
(82,383 posts)are expected to create automatic agreement. The average voter will not respond to this at all. They don't hate "Wall Street." They think it's a financial center. It's like we are expected to believe there is something inherently wrong with banking, and that no one is employed by Wall Street or any of its investors, and everyone wants to smash their livelihoods and jobs out of hatred of finance.
PosterChild
(1,307 posts)Lizzie Poppet
(10,164 posts)We're fungible assets...
BuelahWitch
(9,083 posts)based on what happened at these hearings. She impressed a lot of people who don't normally follow politics.
MH1
(17,600 posts)(but you probably know that)
Evergreen Emerald
(13,069 posts)That made me laugh.
JoePhilly
(27,787 posts)Johnny2X2X
(19,114 posts)This was an 11 hour freed campaign ad for Clinton. She was in complete control of the facts and was calm and cool while still showing passion. She was presidential.
hifiguy
(33,688 posts)But I still do not trust her on the central issues of economic justice and war/peace. Not one bit further than I can throw the Sphinx. She remains a wholly-owned subsidiary of the plutocracy and the MIIC.
Beowulf42
(205 posts)Mr. Gowdy, just a word of advice. The more you deal with wickedly smart people the more it's going to sting. I double dog dare you to invite her back.
CTyankee
(63,912 posts)he's upped his dose of xanax even as we speak, the dumb shit...
DrBulldog
(841 posts)If Hillary gets the nomination, she will likely become a President who sits in her office for four years twiddling her thumbs and doing nothing because both houses of Congress will remain firmly Republican thanks again to a very low voter turnout.
And an unfazed and humble Bernie will happily go back to continue busting his ass in the Senate for the middle class and the poor just as he has done for the past 50 years.
And some day historians will write about the time in 2016 the American people blew it . . .
Geronimoe
(1,539 posts)The past two weeks, Hillary is winning with a friendlier persona. However notice that both corporate owned and run Parties are not talking about real issues.
The Oligarchs have been able to get what they want because the voters are so stupid to vote against their own best interests. As Brits asked when Bush was elected the 2nd time, how can Americans be so stupid.
Thor_MN
(11,843 posts)Since she ate all their lunches on Thursday.
Tarheel_Dem
(31,240 posts)marmar
(77,090 posts)..... I think people are WAY overestimating how much attention span-challenged America will remember Benghazigate a year from now. Only what's in the news then will matter.
dembotoz
(16,832 posts)allow the moment in the sun.
this turned out well for hrc
it is a long campaign...be gracious
Bernie will have his moments as will Martin.
groundloop
(11,522 posts)Events such as this will be forgotten in a weeks time. We'll still be talking about it, but most Americans will have long forgotten.
restorefreedom
(12,655 posts)looooong way to go in this primary season
George II
(67,782 posts)CTyankee
(63,912 posts)Doctor_J
(36,392 posts)budget, expand social security, come out for public schools instead of for profits, and fight for universal healthcare without any blood sucking middlemen between Americans and their doctors.
Bernblu
(441 posts)The people still have to vote.