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niyad

(113,583 posts)
Wed Nov 4, 2015, 01:06 PM Nov 2015

Congrats, Pro-Lifers, You Won! Now I Have Just a Few Questions for You

 Congrats, Pro-Lifers, You Won! Now I Have Just a Few Questions for You
What would your abortion compromise look like? What will you do for pregnant women who can’t afford a child? And more.

I’m writing this column before the results of Tuesday’s election are known, but I’ll go out on a limb and predict that abortion opponents will do very well. Assuming that’s true, we’ll be hearing a lot from them. We’re all familiar with their talking points—day-before-birth abortions, confused women, coercion, pro-choicers as a “death cult,” whatever that means. But surely that’s not all they’ve got. So in the spirit of rational discourse, here are some questions for abortion opponents—real questions, not rhetorical—that I’ve tried to frame in an open-ended way. I’d love to hear some thoughtful answers.



1. Illegal abortion. You often talk as if banning abortion would drastically reduce or even end it. You don’t seem very concerned about death and injury to women who have illegal procedures. (In fact, you tend to discount pro-choice claims about the danger of illegal abortion, while portraying legal abortion as vastly unsafe.) But what about the simple fact that illegal abortion is widespread in countries where abortion is virtually banned? In Brazil, for example, there are between 1 and 4 million abortions a year—at least as many as in the United States in a much smaller population—and more than 200,000 women land in the hospital with injuries or infections. Do you believe illegal abortion can be prevented, and if so, how? If not, what makes criminalization worth so much harm to women?


2. Compromise. You present pro-choicers as intransigent and yourselves as wanting modest restrictions: a twenty-week ban, stricter regulation of clinics, waiting periods. We both know that this is a tactic, and your goal is the end of legal abortion—yet most Americans don’t share this goal. Do you see any chance of a stable compromise? What would it look like?

3. Birth control. It is obvious to most Americans that birth control is the way to lower the number of abortions. Yet the fight over the Affordable Care Act’s no-co-pay birth-control provision is only the most recent demonstration that many abortion opponents want to restrict contraception too. True, a few anti-choice politicians propose putting the pill over the counter, but no major antiabortion organization supports contraception, and many opponents are redefining modern methods—the pill, the IUD and emergency contraception—as “abortifacients.” Is contraception a lesser evil than abortion or just more of the same evil? If the former, would you accept universal provision of birth control to any and all, including teens? Follow-up: Would you support such a provision if it was limited to condoms, diaphragms and other methods that no one, not even you, can call dangerous or abortion-causing?

4. Poverty. Six in ten women who have abortions are already mothers. More than 40 percent are poor, and many more are on the edge. Maybe some of them would have the baby if they had more support: healthcare, daycare, housing, jobs—and protection from job discrimination for pregnant women and mothers. Charity can’t begin to supply all these needs, and the antiabortion movement is firmly allied with the Republican Party, which cuts social programs wherever it can. What do you offer to women who want to end a pregnancy because they can’t support another child?

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http://www.thenation.com/article/congrats-pro-lifers-you-won-now-i-have-just-few-questions-you

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Congrats, Pro-Lifers, You Won! Now I Have Just a Few Questions for You (Original Post) niyad Nov 2015 OP
To start with, the LAST thing they are is Pro Life. randys1 Nov 2015 #1
ah, yes, the brain-dead brain surgeon. what a truly frightening thought! niyad Nov 2015 #4
Kicking... and stealing for use later, too. nt Bigmack Nov 2015 #2
spread as far as possible. niyad Nov 2015 #5
They cannot get past the Big Man in the Clouds part of life to answer any questions. Rex Nov 2015 #3
sadly, your analysis is quite correct. niyad Nov 2015 #6
I do know some Christians with great minds. Rex Nov 2015 #9
I used to think we were one scotus vote from "the handmaid's tale" now I think we entered niyad Nov 2015 #10
K&R! Bookmarking for a second read later. riderinthestorm Nov 2015 #7
you are most welcome. I am happy to do what I can. niyad Nov 2015 #8
Wish I could rec this a million times. nt Laffy Kat Nov 2015 #11
K&R smirkymonkey Nov 2015 #12
. . . niyad Nov 2015 #13
Anyone with a dozen brain cells to rub together hifiguy Nov 2015 #14
well, look who we are discussing. some days, not sure there are a dozen arcing braincells amoung niyad Nov 2015 #16
A very good point indeed. hifiguy Nov 2015 #22
thank you for those! niyad Nov 2015 #27
John Fugelsang always asks this question of "pro-lifers": bullwinkle428 Nov 2015 #15
well, of course they do, because they do not want to expose their hatred and hypocrisy. niyad Nov 2015 #17
Bingo. He has a talent for at least trying to expose that hatred and hypocrisy. bullwinkle428 Nov 2015 #19
of course, in a perfect world, we wouldn't have to be dealing with this woman-hating insanity. niyad Nov 2015 #21
they are not pro-life Skittles Nov 2015 #18
actually, they don't give a damn about feti, either. if they did, there would be free, universal niyad Nov 2015 #20
true Skittles Nov 2015 #23
question 1 ibegurpard Nov 2015 #24
you are absolutely correct. consequence-free sex is a male-only privilege. niyad Nov 2015 #25
They aren't pro-life, they are pro-added misery for working poor and working class families. blm Nov 2015 #26
exactly niyad Nov 2015 #28
Edit: Never mind. I just saw the date. NaturalHigh Nov 2015 #29
this three-parter is actually from nov 2014--and we see what they have been doing since. niyad Nov 2015 #30

randys1

(16,286 posts)
1. To start with, the LAST thing they are is Pro Life.
Wed Nov 4, 2015, 01:11 PM
Nov 2015

The article is excellent.

Women will die in alleys, doctors will go to prison, Women will go to prison, and that is just the start.

Less money will go to help poor, etc.

Aint it grand!

President Carson will have much to say about this issue, by the way.

 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
3. They cannot get past the Big Man in the Clouds part of life to answer any questions.
Wed Nov 4, 2015, 01:15 PM
Nov 2015

And since they are reacting to an irrational thought - anything that is common sense, is cast aside for the Big Man in the Clouds. Too me, it is insanity driven home by a billion dollar 'holy charlatan market' and the 'infotainment' channels like Glenn Beck and Foxnews.

Lazy people never try and give their brain a workout, they let the Big Man in the Clouds do all their thinking for them. Which is not true anymore either - they let someone much richer and probably more criminal then they are, make all their decisions for them. Then that rich person laughes all the way to the bank and society suffers as a whole for it.

 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
9. I do know some Christians with great minds.
Wed Nov 4, 2015, 01:26 PM
Nov 2015

None of them are on the Right spectrum of the political field. I don't want to come off as sounding harsh toward liberal Christians, but their opposites (fundies) are horrible people and I believe most know who I mean when I reply so informally.

No doubt I have offended someone, but I have to speak the truth the way I see it and it is all insanity. So expecting common sense solutions from people that live day in and day out irrationally and sometimes dangerously...is insanity in itself.

I feel for you niyad. This is a Dark Ages for American Women. In 2015! 20fucking15!

And if people don't know what I am talking about, they have not been paying attention to what the red states are doing. It's beyond criminal and are human rights violations imo.

niyad

(113,583 posts)
10. I used to think we were one scotus vote from "the handmaid's tale" now I think we entered
Wed Nov 4, 2015, 01:28 PM
Nov 2015

it several years ago.

dark ages, dark times indeed. the insanity of it almost boggles the mind.

 

riderinthestorm

(23,272 posts)
7. K&R! Bookmarking for a second read later.
Wed Nov 4, 2015, 01:20 PM
Nov 2015

thanks niyad. As usual, I salute your continued effort to keep women's rights in the discussion here at DU...



niyad

(113,583 posts)
16. well, look who we are discussing. some days, not sure there are a dozen arcing braincells amoung
Wed Nov 4, 2015, 10:34 PM
Nov 2015

the entire lot of them.

 

hifiguy

(33,688 posts)
22. A very good point indeed.
Wed Nov 4, 2015, 10:43 PM
Nov 2015


They believe in an invisible man in the sky. What can you say, except



and

bullwinkle428

(20,631 posts)
15. John Fugelsang always asks this question of "pro-lifers":
Wed Nov 4, 2015, 10:33 PM
Nov 2015

If it was your call, would send the doctor, the patient, or both to jail for their "crime" of an abortion? Nearly all of them start sputtering and trying to divert the conversation in another direction.

K&R.

bullwinkle428

(20,631 posts)
19. Bingo. He has a talent for at least trying to expose that hatred and hypocrisy.
Wed Nov 4, 2015, 10:39 PM
Nov 2015

Thanks for bringing up some fantastic points that should (in a perfect world) make opponents stop and think before simply regurgitating their standard talking points.

niyad

(113,583 posts)
20. actually, they don't give a damn about feti, either. if they did, there would be free, universal
Wed Nov 4, 2015, 10:39 PM
Nov 2015

pre-natal care.

in reality, the only thing they truly care about is complete control over women.

ibegurpard

(16,685 posts)
24. question 1
Thu Nov 5, 2015, 02:34 AM
Nov 2015

Let them die. It's the wages for their "sin"
They don't give a shit about children...they are pissed about women having the ability to have consequence free sex.

blm

(113,101 posts)
26. They aren't pro-life, they are pro-added misery for working poor and working class families.
Thu Nov 5, 2015, 12:15 PM
Nov 2015

Because they know damn well the upper financial class will ALWAYS be able to have access to reproductive rights including abortion, and call it a needed 'vacation' as they always have.

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