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(46,347 posts)
Fri Nov 6, 2015, 07:44 AM Nov 2015

Just how stupid are anti-vaccinationists?

Try this wack job.

#1511: Anne Dachel

Yes, we have mentioned her before, but Anne Dachel really needs her own entry. Dachel is “media editor” at the infamous quack organization Age of Autism and a vocal vaccine denialist. According to Dachel autism is a “disorder that was unheard of 25 years ago”, but is now familiar due to vaccines. However, mainstream media is evidently trying to cover up – or being mislead by various conspiracies – to overlook the autism epidemic and what she apparently takes to be genuine scientific disagreement over the safety of vaccines (just see their propaganda movie “The Greater Good”). At the very least mainstream media is being unfair by not giving equal time to the insane rants of her decidedly non-expert band of anti-vaccinationists. In fact, Dachel is utterly unable to get the false balance problem (presumably because she herself is on the side of falsity): With regard to the anti-vaccine literature, she has pointed out out that “[m]embers of the press may not bother to read these books but parents do and what they’re learning fuels the controversy,” which is probably true but doesn’t exactly support her complaint about lack of balanced media coverage (though Dachel has pretty explicitly admitted that her goal is to scare parents out of vaccinating their kids, not provide “balanced information”). Similarly, when people point out the trouble with false balance, Dachel responds by pointing out that “when undergrads heard arguments on both sides of the vaccine-autism debate, they were more likely to believe there is a link [between vaccines and autism],” which is not exactly the most convincing way of arguing that false balance is unproblematic. Also, complaining about false balance is a threat to (her) free speech. But of course.

Another favored line of argument is that you cannot trust research that suggests that vaccines are safe since they are not “independent stud[ies]”, where “independent” means not funded by anyone but anti-vaccine groups and not carried out by experts on the matter (who clearly have an agenda) – she actually seems to claim that the very fact that someone has written about vaccines makes what they have written about vaccines untrustworthy in virtue of showing that they have a vested interest in the truth of what they write (as long as it’s not what she wants them to write). And, of course, as if it needed mentioning: she doesn’t understand research. A third favored gambit is, of course, to move the goalposts. A fourth is to compare mandatory vaccination laws to nazi treatment of Jews (you didn’t expect the AoA to go there, did you?)

She sums up her lack of credibility pretty well herself in the title of her article “Industry Insider Paul Offit Attacks… Every Non-Pharma Treatment Known To Mankind.” Yes, it’s all a conspiracy against crankery and crackpottery, and Offit even has the gall to go “after a number of people in his books, including celebrities like Dr. Oz and Dr. Mercola.” He does so apparently because the idea “that people are taking charge of their own health” is a threat to his … well, it’s a bit unclear, but at least she, in the course of her writing, lauds the idea “that diet, supplements, homeopathy, and alternative treatments like chelation and acupuncture can restore health and keep us that way,” i.e. treatments promoted by supplement producers who have no vested interests and just the good of humanity in mind.

Her job, by the way, seems to consist of setting up Google alerts having to do with autism, wait for the links in the search results to appear, find any posts critical of the debunked vaccine-autism link, and then call on her minions to barrage these posts with comments (but of course: it is those who disagree with her who are astroturfing). As well as, of course, to lecture journalists on what constitutes good journalistic practice.

http://americanloons.blogspot.ca/2015/11/1511-anne-dachel.html

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Stuart G

(38,445 posts)
3. The "so called anti vaccinationists need to read up on a disease called .."polio"
Fri Nov 6, 2015, 09:02 AM
Nov 2015

And how it was feared by all...and when the vaccine was introduced in the mid "50"s, parents ran to get their children inoculated because the parents did not want their children to get it.. they need to read the pain and suffering it caused to so many people.

longship

(40,416 posts)
7. I remember elementary school before the vaccine.
Fri Nov 6, 2015, 09:11 AM
Nov 2015

Kids you knew would suddenly disappear. Others walked on braces and crutches.

When the vaccine came to Detroit, nobody was saying no to it. Nobody!!!

We are within reach of beating polio because it does not live in the wild. The only reservoir is humans. Just like smallpox, we could be rid of it forever.


Marrah_G

(28,581 posts)
5. People have forgotten how devastating these diseases are
Fri Nov 6, 2015, 09:07 AM
Nov 2015

You need a very high percentage of people to be vaccinated to gain herd immunity. Herd immunity is what keeps people who cannot be vaccinated safe.

Ignorance fuels the anti-vaccine groups.

FLPanhandle

(7,107 posts)
6. I wouldn't say stupid but woefully uneducated about science
Fri Nov 6, 2015, 09:08 AM
Nov 2015

Unable to tell shit from shin-ola because they don't know science well enough. Thus, they fall for anything that sounds like science.

 

SheilaT

(23,156 posts)
9. First off, autism was already heard of
Fri Nov 6, 2015, 09:51 AM
Nov 2015

much longer back than 25 years ago. Before I ever had my first son, now 32, and mildly autistic himself (Asperger's) I'd read several books on the topic, at least two by the mothers of severely autistic children.

Just because she hasn't read anything written that long ago just proves she hasn't a clue.

 

Dr Hobbitstein

(6,568 posts)
10. Very stupid.
Fri Nov 6, 2015, 02:27 PM
Nov 2015

There's one who posts regularly here about the "link" between autism and vaccines. Complete idiot who's only source of knowledge on the subject comes from the asshats at Age Of Autism, and when called out and provided with scientific links to back up said call out, will continue to post articles from AoA to somehow assert that they are correct, in all their proverbial (lack of) wisdom.

littlewolf

(3,813 posts)
12. I do not remember kids getting braces, or dying of these disease
Fri Nov 6, 2015, 07:11 PM
Nov 2015

I was born in 1956. but I have heard of my stories of kids my age
or near my age. catching and being crippled or died.
growing up in school every year the county came and gave everyone
a sugar cube and their shots. the only kids who did not have to do it
had a note from the family DR. that they already had gotten them
(or couldn't get them)

I heard that MMR vaccine caused autism, thought maybe
lets see, sure enough it was proven WRONG. MMR vaccine does not
cause autism.

If I had kids I would make sure they got vaccinated. Do I think kids today
are over medicated .. maybe, friends of mine had a boy, school and DR said
he was adhd and was going to medicate him. parents said no, they instead
let him play hard for 45 mins every morning and again at night ..
no more adhd. no meds, happy involved kid.
that said, there are kids that DO need these drugs, but not every kid.

are there vaccines that I would not give my kids, I don't know, maybe.
but they childhood ones .. nope .. they would get everyone.
I am not sure about the HPV one, would have to do more research.
but that is not a childhood vaccine.

ok this is my 2 cents worth.

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