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Quixote1818

(28,946 posts)
Sat Nov 7, 2015, 11:28 AM Nov 2015

Ben Carson's West Point Lie Will Probably End His Chances At Becoming President

To call GOP presidential candidate Ben Carson’s rise to one of the two overwhelming frontrunners for president an “enigma” would be an understatement. Aside from the evangelicals who clearly eat up his religious rhetoric, I can’t understand why anyone would think he’s even remotely qualified to be our next president. Even as a doctor he’s spread false information about Ebola, pushed blatantly misleading information about vaccines during a debate and believes that the theory of evolution is satanic.

As I joked with a buddy of mine, leave it to the GOP to find a brilliant neurosurgeon to run for president – who doesn’t seem to believe in science. Not only that, but nearly everything the man says is a lie. Even his stories of adolescent violence and a Popeyes restaurant robbery have come under some rather intense scrutiny considering the odd nature of the details involved and the fact that, at least at this point, there’s almost no evidence of any of these events actually occurring. No childhood friend has come forward to corroborate his stories about his past, he says the family member he tried to stab has no desire to be made public and there’s no police record of any robbery taking place at a Popeyes during the time he says the event occurred.

Well, Carson better get ready to face even more scrutiny as Politico reported today that his story about getting accepted to West Point was all a lie:



From Politico:

The academy has occupied a central place in Carson’s tale for years. According to a story told in Carson’s book, “Gifted Hands,” the then-17 year old was introduced in 1969 to Gen. William Westmoreland, who had just ended his command of U.S. forces in Vietnam, and the two dined together. That meeting, according to Carson’s telling, was followed by a “full scholarship” to the military academy.


West Point, however, has no record of Carson applying, much less being extended admission.

More: http://www.forwardprogressives.com/ben-carson-west-point-lie/

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Ben Carson's West Point Lie Will Probably End His Chances At Becoming President (Original Post) Quixote1818 Nov 2015 OP
When's the last time a puke paid the consequences of lying? TexasProgresive Nov 2015 #1
i expect him to get a bump in the polls. spanone Nov 2015 #2
Like so many, he's become a legend in his own mind notadmblnd Nov 2015 #3
Yeah, this is the only weird lie of his that I think might gain traction. cwydro Nov 2015 #4
As long as he spews hate for Obama.. busterbrown Nov 2015 #6
Remember Herman Cain? NightWatcher Nov 2015 #5
Yep... busterbrown Nov 2015 #8
I used to believe that. ScreamingMeemie Nov 2015 #7
I think his pyramid theory does more damage. randome Nov 2015 #9
I actually agree. That food pyramid graphic with Carson standing next to it is all over Facebook Quixote1818 Nov 2015 #11
In a sane world... odd_duck Nov 2015 #30
He was ROTC 'brass' in High School, those rotc Groups were courted by our military. Sunlei Nov 2015 #10
"ROTC brass." LOL!! tabasco Nov 2015 #13
I meant he made it to one of the top positions in his jr. high/high school ROTC 52? yrs ago Sunlei Nov 2015 #18
No doubt Carson was the br-ASS! tabasco Nov 2015 #21
Back 50ish years ago I bet the ROTC 'structure' did a lot of good for him as a young person. Sunlei Nov 2015 #22
He was born in 1951, why didn't he go to Viet Nam??? nt winstars Nov 2015 #23
I think he went right into college yale? and then John Hopkins medical college? Sunlei Nov 2015 #25
It's been my observation that a lot of doctors live in a bubble SheilaT Nov 2015 #12
I agree. tabasco Nov 2015 #14
His reaction at the press conference reminds me of Bush in the debate with Kerry Quixote1818 Nov 2015 #16
There isn't even any such thing as a "scholarship" to West Point Lee-Lee Nov 2015 #15
Pre-Stolen Valor Generic Other Nov 2015 #17
Dr. Carson and Mr. Fraud Mendocino Nov 2015 #19
Let him keep talking. lebkuchen Nov 2015 #20
I'm not so sure. Vinca Nov 2015 #24
republican tactic, they need someone to gather all the nuts in one basket & keep them entertained Sunlei Nov 2015 #27
Agree. Rex Nov 2015 #26
Wouldn't be surprised if his MD was fake. GeorgeGist Nov 2015 #28
Easy prediction he never had a shot in the first place. Egnever Nov 2015 #29

TexasProgresive

(12,157 posts)
1. When's the last time a puke paid the consequences of lying?
Sat Nov 7, 2015, 11:34 AM
Nov 2015

It seems they can say and do whatever and their eejit followers just go along.

notadmblnd

(23,720 posts)
3. Like so many, he's become a legend in his own mind
Sat Nov 7, 2015, 11:35 AM
Nov 2015

He probably even believes the things he says about himself

 

cwydro

(51,308 posts)
4. Yeah, this is the only weird lie of his that I think might gain traction.
Sat Nov 7, 2015, 11:36 AM
Nov 2015

Republicans take their military series!

busterbrown

(8,515 posts)
6. As long as he spews hate for Obama..
Sat Nov 7, 2015, 11:41 AM
Nov 2015

He’ll be fine for awhile...Fundies will keep him on top for awhile..but when he needs to go after the conservative block, he’s dead in the water..

NightWatcher

(39,343 posts)
5. Remember Herman Cain?
Sat Nov 7, 2015, 11:40 AM
Nov 2015

He was winning this time last go round and yet we all knew he'd never have a chance. Enter this year's Herman Cain, Carson. He stands a snowball's chance in Miami but allows the racists on the rw feel good about their "black friend" for a time.

ScreamingMeemie

(68,918 posts)
7. I used to believe that.
Sat Nov 7, 2015, 11:42 AM
Nov 2015

But then Donald Trump ended up being adored by so many... I don't think those people with the thick skulls care about truthiness anymore. They will call it a "noble lie" or something.

 

randome

(34,845 posts)
9. I think his pyramid theory does more damage.
Sat Nov 7, 2015, 11:51 AM
Nov 2015

West Point, to the faithful, leaves just enough wriggle room for obfuscation. Was he offered a scholarship or was he given one?

But the pyramids? Why someone would believe that a nearly solid structure of stone could be used to store grain staggers the mind.
[hr][font color="blue"][center]"If you're bored then you're boring." -Harvey Danger[/center][/font][hr]

Quixote1818

(28,946 posts)
11. I actually agree. That food pyramid graphic with Carson standing next to it is all over Facebook
Sat Nov 7, 2015, 12:04 PM
Nov 2015

He is a fucking laughing stock!

odd_duck

(107 posts)
30. In a sane world...
Sat Nov 7, 2015, 05:34 PM
Nov 2015

the "most damage" should come from his anti-American, anti-First Amendment statement.
Paraphrasing; 'If President, I would use the government to monitor speech at US colleges'.

Sunlei

(22,651 posts)
10. He was ROTC 'brass' in High School, those rotc Groups were courted by our military.
Sat Nov 7, 2015, 11:56 AM
Nov 2015

ROTC High school 'Leaders' were probably offered scholarships to the better military colleges all the time 50+ years ago.

Stuff from when he was a /Jr. High & high school kid, I don't think that's a president career breaker.

Now more recent say the last 20-30 years, his ability as a Doctor, why he quit 'retired' in 2013? and after when he CEO & earned millions for that herbal remedy Corp and then was paid couple million by fox. That is the big unknown about him.

Sunlei

(22,651 posts)
18. I meant he made it to one of the top positions in his jr. high/high school ROTC 52? yrs ago
Sat Nov 7, 2015, 12:40 PM
Nov 2015

sorry to be funny, I'm from a military family we always called the top ranked people 'brass'

 

tabasco

(22,974 posts)
21. No doubt Carson was the br-ASS!
Sat Nov 7, 2015, 12:53 PM
Nov 2015

It's JROTC at the HS level and being in a top position hardly qualifies a student for a scholarship, let alone an appointment to a military academy. It's a good point for the student, but being the captain of the football team is a much stronger point for evaluators.

I'm a product of ROTC, former regular army officer, and part of my duties at one point was to inspect JROTC units. I'm a big believer in JROTC programs; they do a lot for many kids who need structure; but being the highest ranking JROTC cadet in the school is not a big deal.





Sunlei

(22,651 posts)
22. Back 50ish years ago I bet the ROTC 'structure' did a lot of good for him as a young person.
Sat Nov 7, 2015, 01:13 PM
Nov 2015

br-ASS!!

Sunlei

(22,651 posts)
25. I think he went right into college yale? and then John Hopkins medical college?
Sat Nov 7, 2015, 02:03 PM
Nov 2015

I think college students were exempt from draft in that war? He seemed to do very well with his college education. Sounded like he knew he wanted to be a Doctor from his ROTC days.

 

SheilaT

(23,156 posts)
12. It's been my observation that a lot of doctors live in a bubble
Sat Nov 7, 2015, 12:13 PM
Nov 2015

where nothing they say is questioned. They very quickly get to think that everything they think, think they know, or say, is infallible truth. What we're seeing with Carson's weird and delusional statements, is just an offshoot of that.

 

tabasco

(22,974 posts)
14. I agree.
Sat Nov 7, 2015, 12:19 PM
Nov 2015

Carson is delusional and apparently believes he has attained infallibility that no one can question.

Quixote1818

(28,946 posts)
16. His reaction at the press conference reminds me of Bush in the debate with Kerry
Sat Nov 7, 2015, 12:25 PM
Nov 2015

He is so use to people acting like he walks on water he is stunned when people suddenly don't think that and becomes hostile because his hole world is coming down. His bubble has popped!
 

Lee-Lee

(6,324 posts)
15. There isn't even any such thing as a "scholarship" to West Point
Sat Nov 7, 2015, 12:23 PM
Nov 2015

There is no tuition for anyone, your education is given in exchange for a 6 year commitment to serve in the Army after graduation.

He claims to to offered something that has never even existed... Nobody pays to go, so there can't be a scholarship.

Mendocino

(7,495 posts)
19. Dr. Carson and Mr. Fraud
Sat Nov 7, 2015, 12:47 PM
Nov 2015

Wiki-A mild mannered physician decides after looking at a picture of Rick Santourum , that dullness isn't a good attribute for running for public office. So he drinks gallons of kool-aid and tea, laced with an evil substance called GOP. This gives him a personality, but in doing so, completely destroys his credibility. He throws a tantrum on live TV and slowly fades away. Is spotted from time to time on informercials, hawking prostrate pills and Chick Tracts.

Vinca

(50,278 posts)
24. I'm not so sure.
Sat Nov 7, 2015, 01:43 PM
Nov 2015

His followers are equally batsh*t crazy. I'm convinced they think he's the second coming of Christ.

Sunlei

(22,651 posts)
27. republican tactic, they need someone to gather all the nuts in one basket & keep them entertained
Sat Nov 7, 2015, 02:09 PM
Nov 2015

republican fox is good at that.

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