So what will the repercussions of the the attacks in Paris be?

[panader0]

I'm nervous about this.

[Kurska]

1. Europe lurches farther to the right EOM

[davidpdx]

55. I hope not

But you are probably right. If the right were to gain a hold in a majority of the countries I think we'd also possibly see the fall of the EU because that's what they want.

[randys1]

2. That's the plan. To orchestrate a reaction that plays into our fears.

Like the way dipshit did by invading Iraq.

[valerief]

3. Gearing up of the big WAR machine maybe? nt

[panader0]

11. This is what makes me nervous.

Reminiscent of 9/11. The European Union is puckering up..
Refugees are streaming in from Syria....

[valerief]

13. War profiteers must profit. They live for war. We die for it. nt

[Jester Messiah]

18. The dying seems well underway regardless.

It is morally permissible to wage a war of self-defense.

[Auggie]

32. Disaster capitalists will be working overtime

[GliderGuider]

46. I see it as you do, panader0. This one has the power to get loose. nt

[magical thyme]

50. they're not just refugees from Syria

that is part of the problem (and feeds the CTs). There are people coming from all over the ME and north Africa. It's totally out of control.

[flamingdem]

5. A big impact on the Climate Change conference coming up in Paris

Not allowing protests maybe.

[4139]

41. Actually it may get a lot more news coverage

[Takket]

6. i'd be pretty stunned if France didn't declare all out war in Syria/Iraq against ISIS in the next

week.

[MH1]

21. I'm thinking along the same lines.

And what are the implications with regard to NATO? (or is NATO somehow not relevant here?)

[AngryAmish]

34. I was wrong.

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[davidpdx]

53. Good point regarding NATO

Is the French president conservative? I can't recall. Geez I used to be able to remember this stuff.

[former9thward]

61. He is a Socialist.

[davidpdx]

62. Thanks, I did look it up after the post

[drray23]

44. Unless I am mistaken

I think France was already supporting the opposition in Syria by supplying weapons and such. They may drastically ramp up however if it turns it it is ISIS and start bombing.

[magical thyme]

51. France started bombing Syria in September. Today was direct

retaliation for that.

http://www.cnn.com/2015/09/27/middleeast/syria-france-isis-bombing/


(CNN)—The French military has carried out its first airstrikes against ISIS in Syria, according to a statement from the office of France's presidency.

The country had announced earlier this month that it would expand its aerial campaign against ISIS in Iraq -- which it began a year ago -- to include the militant group's positions in Syria.

The French president's office said that the strikes in Syria, which began Sunday, were based on intelligence gathered from air surveillance operations conducted over Syria during the past two weeks.

"Our country confirms its firm commitment to the fight against the terrorist threat Daesh," the statement said, using the Arabic acronym for ISIS. "We will strike whenever our national security is at stake."

[Alittleliberal]

7. This is gonna be big

I would imagine some kind of EU coalition with support from US and Russia. Lots of bombings and ground troops. Increased boarder security in Europe. Refugees will no longer be accepted in most places. Immigration will halt to a stand still. Increased NSA surveillance. Further rise of right wing populists in Europe and a whole shit load of hate crimes aimed at Muslims.

[DCBob]

38. That's how I see it as well.

For better or worse.. that's what's going to happen.

[FLPanhandle]

8. It will be politically impossible to allow Muslim refugees into the US now.

No politician will support that.

[jberryhill]

9. Hopefully constructive ones

Our tribal impulses as a species have been unproductive in the modern context.

[panader0]

12. This is the sane answer. Not the likely one.

[valerief]

16. Rich people can't get richer fast via constructive ways. nt

[jberryhill]

17. There is always hope

I will always be on the side of hope.

[Tree-Hugger]

59. +1 nt

[bluedigger]

10. There probably won't be a lot of chit-chat about corn and hogs at the debate tomorrow night.

[2naSalit]

20. No doubt about that. nt

[Throd]

14. Europe will be less welcoming to refugees. Arguments over border policy will ensue.

Merkel will be shown the door.

[Yo_Mama]

15. Extremely bad for Merkel. I suspect open immigration in Europe is going to become even

more of a flashpoint than it already is.

For the French, it's now a domestic war situation. They cannot afford to sit and wait for the next one. Literally, they cannot afford it. They already had military deployed all over the country. They are running out of manpower. They are going to have to break up the criminal gangs.

For Europe, they are going to have to come to a consensus on having a tighter European border or Schengen goes down.

[Imajika]

24. Agree with you on Merkel...

Politicians in Europe that support large numbers of Syrian, Iraqi, Afghan, Pakistan refugees will find their poll numbers in the gutter.

As to France. It's a tough call for the very reasons you outlined. I rather suspect the possibility that anti-Islam, anti-Immigrant sentiment will rise over time.

I've always thought that one day we'd reach a point where Europeans became decidedly anti-Islam. A day where you started seeing "Muslims Out" demonstrations. Not sure if we've reached that time, but in some Eastern European countries we may have.

[smirkymonkey]

58. I'm thinking the same.

[2naSalit]

19. More military, of course. nt

[Imajika]

22. A very quick end to the refugees being allowed into Europe...

Probably as an alternative some kind of safe zone will be established in Syria.

Some rise in the far right xenophobic parties can also be expected.

[LittleBlue]

23. The right will rise in Europe

The old political dynamic is in danger of dying. This isn't postwar Europe anymore.

[uppityperson]

25. Moi aussi

[AngryAmish]

26. From nothing to le reconquista

I have no idea.

[Kilgore]

27. I think we may be seeing the beginning, refugee camp burning

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/calais-migrant-camp-on-fire-6830330

[MADem]

28. Le Pen has a shot.

Britain First gets more riled.

Other wingnut actors start pounding their podia and sounding a bit like "Build A Wall" Donald.

[roamer65]

29. The election of Marine Le Pen as French president in 2017.

Virtually a given now.

[MH1]

35. Depending on what Hollande does, and how successful it is perceived.

He pretty much has to take aggressive action and make it be perceived as successful.

So much for peace.

[El Supremo]

30. Guerre et mort.

Unless we come up with a better idea or just get out of the Muslim countries.

[Agnosticsherbet]

31. The French President said they would wage war.

I suspect NATO will join, and we are a member of NATO.

[BootinUp]

33. This is the kind of thing that affects elections

it will undoubtedly give more strength to right wing parties in France and elsewhere. There may be other violent occurrences as people react to what has happened. People will do stupid things because of fear.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

36. Celebrations for the terrorists, the gunmakers, the MIC, and flag manufacturers.

[GliderGuider]

48. Whoever the ISIS strategist is, he feels like an asymmetric-warfare genius.

Like a spider who suddenly has a lot of flies caught up in the web, and all the flies are fighting each other. That's quite a chaotic background - useful for masking hundreds of different extreme social changes.

Or I could be completely and utterly wrong about the whole thing.

[Renew Deal]

39. You should be nervous

I have a feeling the French will go all out. Internally and externally.

[mountain grammy]

40. Global Thermonuclear War

Or some other appropriate response.

We should all be nervous, cooler heads may not prevail.

[4139]

42. The allies war on Assad will end

[drray23]

43. next month there are elections in france

Most likely the far right wing (le front national) will score. They used to be a fringe party. They are now 25 % of the electorate.

Their rhetoric is pretty much like Trump over here. They will blame it on the french muslim population and people will believe it and vote for them.

[Iggo]

45. War boners.

Millions of them.

[Codeine]

47. They will be the first European country

to begin to well and truly excise the cancer of Islamic fundamentalism from the body politic. The French have very little time for religion to begin with, and I believe it's going to become a very, very uncomfortable place to be a Muslim.

[GreatCaesarsGhost]

49. I think Assad can rule out asylum in France.

[Dawson Leery]

52. Muslims who are in France and Europe

have by far and large been hostile to their new home. They are going to find themselves extraordinarily uncomfortable.
If Hollande does not show any success in dealing with this problem, Marine LePen will be President in 2017.

[MrWendel]

54. France...

will me more invested to hunt down ISIS as much if not more than the US.

[cherokeeprogressive]

56. Well I wouldn't want to be an Arab in Paris or its suburbs in the morning...

Muslim or otherwise.

[herding cats]

57. I suspect there will be a "war" declaration.

I hope I'm wrong, but so far the rhetoric is leaning that way, and as normally is the case in these things, cooler minds don't often prevail once the leaders have drawn a line in the sand. Don't give up hope yet, though. I've become pessimistic on such things and that's not to suggest everyone should follow my example.
We shall see, and time will tell.

Tonight my heat is heavy for many reasons, and I'm torn between anger for that which could have been prevented, and terror at the beating of the new war drums.

So many preventable situations have lead us to where we are now. I'm looking back tonight to the idealistic young person I was in 2001 who knew in her heart the attack in the US would be used to begin a war in Iraq, yes, from day one, and trying to compare her to the person I am today. It's hard to see the similarities at times, and in other moments all too easy to see me as that person.

Oh, and as an aside, this could be a boon for the Republicans in 2016 if they play their cards right. A scared population is a submissive population, which plays into their hands. That I'm even considering such things at a time like this shows how far I'm removed from the still idealistic girl I was in 2001.

We're all in this together. Which I think is something we need to be reminding ourselves of more often in the coming days.

[Yupster]

60. Russia benefits the most

It will organize and lead the anti-ISIS coalition.