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An unspeakable act of cowards. (Original Post) imanamerican63 Nov 2015 OP
gun humping cowards are everywhere Skittles Nov 2015 #1
Sometimes these cowards are Presidents and Prime MInisters. guillaumeb Nov 2015 #3
I'm going to assume TeddyR Nov 2015 #5
what part of those terrorists are GUN HUMPING COWARDS do you not understand? Skittles Nov 2015 #7
Yup, I unfriended one tonight. n/t woodsprite Nov 2015 #26
Committing this level of carnage in the name of religion ... lpbk2713 Nov 2015 #2
The Abrahamic "religions" are responsible for more human misery, hifiguy Nov 2015 #10
I don't make a distinction. lpbk2713 Nov 2015 #14
Nope. hifiguy Nov 2015 #16
No they're not jack_krass Nov 2015 #18
The Crusades, the conquest and slaughter of the natives hifiguy Nov 2015 #19
This not time to.... imanamerican63 Nov 2015 #20
Nice cherry picking of history jack_krass Nov 2015 #21
Hardly. hifiguy Nov 2015 #22
Wrong jack_krass Nov 2015 #25
Ever hear of The Great Leap Forward? AngryAmish Nov 2015 #23
They aren't cowards. They are dangerous sleeper agents in the army of Isis LittleBlue Nov 2015 #4
You have a good point. imanamerican63 Nov 2015 #6
Seems to me the two groups aren’t mutually exclusive... dorkzilla Nov 2015 #8
+1 840high Nov 2015 #9
Excellent point. hifiguy Nov 2015 #11
Targeting unarmed civilians takes zero courage, no matter how much your sky daddy wuvs you REP Nov 2015 #15
I disagree slightly hifiguy Nov 2015 #17
Their inability to confront reality with any rationality at all makes them cowards in my eyes BeyondGeography Nov 2015 #13
This was a declaration of war VMA131Marine Nov 2015 #12
France started bombing Syria in Sept. magical thyme Nov 2015 #24

guillaumeb

(42,641 posts)
3. Sometimes these cowards are Presidents and Prime MInisters.
Fri Nov 13, 2015, 10:09 PM
Nov 2015

But THAT terrorism is called state craft.

 

TeddyR

(2,493 posts)
5. I'm going to assume
Fri Nov 13, 2015, 10:11 PM
Nov 2015

That you aren't attempting to politicize the deaths of hundreds at the hands of terrorists. But please let me know if I'm wrong, and you in fact are attempting to make a political point on the blood of innocents.

lpbk2713

(42,757 posts)
2. Committing this level of carnage in the name of religion ...
Fri Nov 13, 2015, 10:08 PM
Nov 2015



is totally incomprehensible. The horror is overwhelming.

 

hifiguy

(33,688 posts)
10. The Abrahamic "religions" are responsible for more human misery,
Fri Nov 13, 2015, 10:25 PM
Nov 2015

death and carnage than anything else in the last 2,500 years and it's not even close.

lpbk2713

(42,757 posts)
14. I don't make a distinction.
Fri Nov 13, 2015, 10:31 PM
Nov 2015



Anyone who has no regard for human life and justifies it with the blessing of their own personal Sky Pilot is not a rational thinking human being.
 

jack_krass

(1,009 posts)
18. No they're not
Fri Nov 13, 2015, 11:00 PM
Nov 2015

This is as stupid as blaming guns for mass shootings.

Group A killing Group B is made possible by dehumanizing classes of "other" people, along with a deemphasizing of individual rights in favor of the collective. Add some totalitarianism, and it occurs at mass scale.

This has nothing in particular to do with Abrahamic religions (it predates them), and can happen under the guise of anything: Commission, Naziism, Islam, Hinduism, Christianity, or just about anything else.

 

hifiguy

(33,688 posts)
19. The Crusades, the conquest and slaughter of the natives
Fri Nov 13, 2015, 11:03 PM
Nov 2015

in the New World in the name of gawd and gold, mass pogroms of European Jews in the name of Jebus, three hundred years of literal witch hunts, the Inquisition, the burning of tens of thousands of heretics, religious war after religious war in medieval Europe. And that's just the last thousand years.

Try again.

 

jack_krass

(1,009 posts)
21. Nice cherry picking of history
Fri Nov 13, 2015, 11:27 PM
Nov 2015

Let's diversify a little bit from your Eurocentric, Christian centric viewpoint...

-Communists (atheists) murdered millions last century
-Nazis (pagans) murdered millions last century
-Cambodians(Budhists) murdered millions last century

These three non christian groups account for hundreds of millons dead in recent contemporary history.
Again, I'll state that it's totalitarianism combines with deemphasizing individual rights that's causes systematic mass murder. History clearly teaches this lesson to those open minded enough to listen.

 

hifiguy

(33,688 posts)
22. Hardly.
Fri Nov 13, 2015, 11:30 PM
Nov 2015

Every one of the things you mention happened. Though the Cambodian massacre was motivated by an extreme form of Maoism. Buddhism had zero to do with it. Every one of the atrocities I mentioned was committed specifically in the name of xtianity. Facts are facts.

But xtianity has been visiting horrors of various kinds on the world for 2000 years, and Islam for about 1200. No contest.

 

jack_krass

(1,009 posts)
25. Wrong
Fri Nov 13, 2015, 11:49 PM
Nov 2015

The three examples I gave are from the last century..
The death toll (hundreds of millions) from these systematic massacres commited by non Abrahamic peoples is staggering and exceeds the total of all massacres committed by Christians jews, and Muslims by an order of magnitude.

This should be enough to demolish your argument. I could continue to go back further and give examples from centuries past, but I don't have the time. Suffice it to say that:
-Abrahamic people are no more prone to systematic violence than others
-it's not the religion, but other factors, like culture, totalitarianism, commitment of a group to individual liberty



 

AngryAmish

(25,704 posts)
23. Ever hear of The Great Leap Forward?
Fri Nov 13, 2015, 11:37 PM
Nov 2015

Tho if you put Taiping Rebellion on the butcher's bill, you might be on to something. Would Tamerlane's reign of terror be on that list?

 

LittleBlue

(10,362 posts)
4. They aren't cowards. They are dangerous sleeper agents in the army of Isis
Fri Nov 13, 2015, 10:09 PM
Nov 2015

They are committed to giving their lives to destroy us. We shouldn't underestimate the threat they pose by portraying holy warriors as cowards.

dorkzilla

(5,141 posts)
8. Seems to me the two groups aren’t mutually exclusive...
Fri Nov 13, 2015, 10:18 PM
Nov 2015

You can still be a coward and wreak havoc - see also Cheney, Dick.

 

hifiguy

(33,688 posts)
11. Excellent point.
Fri Nov 13, 2015, 10:27 PM
Nov 2015

Batshit religious insanity =/= cowardice. These maniacs are not afraid to die and that takes a certain amount of courage, no matter how lunatic the rationalization.

REP

(21,691 posts)
15. Targeting unarmed civilians takes zero courage, no matter how much your sky daddy wuvs you
Fri Nov 13, 2015, 10:31 PM
Nov 2015

Shooting people trapped in a concert hall is the exact opposite of courage. Firing into a restaurant takes zero courage when you know no one will shoot back.

BeyondGeography

(39,374 posts)
13. Their inability to confront reality with any rationality at all makes them cowards in my eyes
Fri Nov 13, 2015, 10:29 PM
Nov 2015

Keep thinking there's a master plan in the stars that will take all of your earthly pain away. Oh, and just in case it's all bullshit, you still get to slaughter a bunch of people you hate. If that isn't cowardice, I don't know what is.

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