FUCK YOU GEORGE W. BUSH AND ALL THE OTHER FUCKING HENCHMEN BEFORE YOU

[Lochloosa]

YOU HEARTLESS DICKLESS PRICKS.

I have nothing else to say.

[Skittles]

1. and he has never been held accountable

for the worst US foreign policy blunder EVER

[milestogo]

2. And Tony Blair too.

[LittleBlue]

39. +1

Fuck the Poodle

[TeddyR]

3. What does this have to do with anything current?

[Lochloosa]

5. LOL...WTF are you doing here. Now I really have nothing else to say.

[drray23]

9. is not that obvious ?

The unrest in the middle east started when W invaded Iraq for no good reason. This set off a surge of terrorism and instability spread like wild fire in the middle east leading ultimately to ISIS and events like we saw today in Paris.
If Bush had not lit up the region we would not be dealing with what we are dealing with today.

[LiberalElite]

16. yes. now we have a metastazing clusterfuck and

who knows where it will lead and end?

[jwirr]

79. And who knows how to stop it. I heard them talking about

how this was going to be the big issue in the debates tomorrow night. Vultures. I pity all the candidates - they are now supposed to stop the pot from boiling over anymore.

I am not sure we are ever going to find a way to do that. We have sown the seeds of hatred in the garden and then we fertilized it. Now that it is out of hand we do not have any way of weeding it.

Maybe we should send cheney, rummy and bushie (both dad and son) over there to hold peace talks. Like the sacrificial virgin in the volcano.

[KingCharlemagne]

101. we should hand bush and Cheney over to Daesh as part of a larger comprehensive

Peace negotiation.

[jwirr]

123. That is kind of what I was saying tongue in cheek.

[Plucketeer]

133. While it's certainly not a practical proposition,

Imagine if SCIENCE had kept simple SUPERSTITION at bay from the beginning? There'd have been NO NEED to fabricate fanciful supreme beings to pledge allegiance to and/or fear. There'd be no pitting of our phony deities - vicariously - via the horrendous conflicts that they'd led us to thru their influences on us simple mortals.
Now - that "gods" shit's so entrenched, that there's no way to evict it - even WITH the knowledge we have as to the true nature of things. The few of us who recognize the idocy of the religions can only stand as far back as this blue marble affords us backing space - and wonder as to the just how the end will play out.

[SusanCalvin]

150. True. But I still mostly blame Bushco. nt

[spiderpig]

153. You said it, drray23. I've been seething since I heard the news.

The Bush Family Evil Empire has been at it for decades.

Who pays the price? Not any of them, including Neil and Marvin. Haven't all of Jebber's family been in trouble with the law and skated?

They're the modern-day Borgias.

[laundry_queen]

13. I have noticed

That quite a bit on this site escapes you on a regular basis. Perhaps you should start reading the archives. And also maybe read up on some recent history. You know...from about 2001 to present.

[Lochloosa]

32. 1800 to present....

[Alittleliberal]

69. Even furthor

[tblue37]

137. in the science fiction novel _On the Beach_, the final nuclear war that

eventually destroys everyone when the fallout spreads around the world begins in the Mideast.

[sarge43]

118. If he really doesn't get the current connection,

trying to absorb 4000 years of history is probably too much to ask.

[Lochloosa]

131. LOL. True.

[McKim]

51. This Has Everything to do with the Attacks in Paris

When Amre Musa, former head of the Arab League came to Portland Oregon in 2001 he said that starting a war with Iraq would "open the gates of hell". And he was right. We have destroyed several countries in the Middle East and about a million people are dead
because of our wars. You think people over there are angry? Ya think?

We heard Amre Musa and that's why our family worked hard for 14 years to end these wars. Too bad people fell away from the Peace Movement. Too bad more people didn't join us in massive protests. Now we are getting some blowback. This is no surprise. The Paris attacks are truly tragic but expected.

[herding cats]

86. Anyone on this site who says they can't see the correlation is either very young and uneducated

in the events, pretending they can't see the linear pattern, or lying.

When I was 18 I believed what we were doing in the region was a huge mistake and would create a series of blow-back which would quite possibly effect me for the rest of my life.

It's looking more and more like that's exactly what's going t be taking place now.

We've screwed up, to major and lesser extents my entire adult life when it comes to dealings in the region, and that's not going to change anytime soon now. All we can do is hope for more of the lesser and less of the major at this point.

[punguin54]

138. The greedy war profiteers are still counting their money.... currently

[Arugula Latte]

157. Direct line from our Iraq invasion/slaugher to ISIS

DUH.

[onecaliberal]

4. That motherfucker is responsible for Paris too. His disasterous war led to this.

[world wide wally]

35. My thoughts exactly ^

[TBF]

78. Yup. Create a power vacuum and this is what

happens. Worst president in the history of this country.

[KingCharlemagne]

106. as bad as W was, I think Buchanan was arguably worse. But that is pedantry on my part, i

Admit. Buchanan prefigured W by some 150 years. He should have kicked the south in the nuts after the first armory was seized and not left it to Lincoln to deal with those southern traitors.

[totodeinhere]

149. Bush's policies certainly did not help. But remember that Islamic terrorist attacks were

taking place long before Bush ever took office. This problem is bigger than Bush.

[840high]

163. Good point.

[AZ Progressive]

6. The Supreme Court Justices that installed George W. Bush have a lot of blood on their hands...

[DesertFlower]

8. i agree. remember when Bugliosi

said they were guilty of treason.

[KingCharlemagne]

104. Ahem . . Hillary, Kerry and Biden voted for Operation

Shocking and Awful, Are we simply supposed to forget or ignore their votes?

[Munificence]

110. Absolutely

as they are on our side of the isle and we need to turn a blind eye. You've not noticed that we only do "good things" and never ever do anything bad? We are as pure as the driven snow.

[840high]

164. Some on DU will ignore.

[Octafish]

7. FUCK YOU WAR PARTY!

For Big Oil. No matter who is at fault for wars and terror, the rich benefit.

[MisterP]

27. Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya, Syria, Pakistan--a whole Black Rosary of interventions

we thought the Khaleejis would just turn in their guns to the nearest CIA guy and go home to hoe

[Punx]

36. Don't forget Ukraine

Neocons behind the bloodshed there as well.

[MisterP]

46. but not Paris

[jwirr]

80. Good description - Black Rosary of Interventions.

[spanone]

10. cheney is probably sitting in front of his teevee having orgasm after orgasm

fuck the fucking fuck

[geek tragedy]

11. How about directing some of that anger at the murderers

The world does not revolve around us.

[Fumesucker]

12. That was directed at murderers

Murderers of hundreds of thousands of people.

Without the Iraq war the chances are excellent that the latest horror in Paris wouldn't have happened.

[geek tragedy]

17. They killed 3000 Americans in NYC before the Iraq war

[Fumesucker]

21. Ah, you have information on who committed the Paris attack..

So how about sharing?

[geek tragedy]

24. Radical Sunni Islamists.

[milestogo]

22. "They"

Who is "They"? How and when was it proven who was responsible for September 11?

[geek tragedy]

25. Not interested in debating Trutherism nt

[milestogo]

31. Not interested in answering a simple question.

No proof was ever given.

[840high]

165. There is proof in France.

[jwirr]

81. No they did not. A group of people killed those 3000 people.

That was the first mistake we made. Blaming countries for what a religious group did. Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11.

That was the lie that bushie used to send us to war.

[KingCharlemagne]

105. Well, we killed 500,000 Iraqi children before 'they'

Killed 3000 Americans.

IIRC, Clinton's Secretary of State Madleine Albright said the deaths of these 500,000 Iraqi children were "worth it," a comment that in its utter ruthlesnes puts her alongside the likes of Winston Churchill.

But, ZOMG!#×!!1!1!, 3000 Americans died and the normal laws of physics wee suddenly suspended. History didn't start until 9-11.

[Ghost Dog]

142. This is a false statement often repeated by USians,

presumably under the influence of propaganda outlets such as much US MSM, which I find offensive.

That day there were some 3000 immediately dead, including some 300 British victims and other nationalities, including 'undocumented' workers.

[geek tragedy]

143. USians? Lol, you know what you can do with your ghoulish quibbling over statistics.

People are still dying from those attacks.

http://www.suncommunitynews.com/opinions/death-toll-911-continues-rise/

So, if anything, 3000 is an undercount.

But thank you for your attempt to minimize the harm done to the United States. We are grateful that folks such as yourself are here to put us stupid Americans in our place.

[Ghost Dog]

145. Not worth a reply, except to agree

that people are still dying as a result, and to point out, as you appear to be unaware, that the USA is not the only country in the continents of North and South America. USian is short for US citizen. No offence intended.

[geek tragedy]

147. Gee, in my travels to Canada, Mexico, Jamaica, Costa Rica, Panama, Nicaragua,

Belize, Honduras, and Guatemala, it never occurred to me that I wasn't leaving the Western Hemisphere.

It also comes as a complete shock to me to learn that there are these places called North America and Central America, that I have been to! I had never heard those terms!

I should probably google to see if there is a place called "South America" for next year's trip to Ecuador.

The harping on how people in the United States of America self-identify is typically the product of a small mind wanting to exaggerate its own scope.

P.S. I tried saying "estamos de Los Estados Unidos" when passing through immigration in Spain. The gentleman gave us a confused look and muttered "Americanos."

[Ghost Dog]

151. That should be "somos de Los Estados Unidos".

The formal term used in the Spanish language(s) of Spain is "estadounidense".

But this is all beside the point I made above. Your callous dismal of the non-US citizen victims (immediate & otherwise) of the event you referred to as "statistics" continues to be offensive, and perhaps symptomatic of a deeper problem.

But let's drop it here, since your attitude is not, thankfully, very representative of DU general opinion.

[Doitnow]

155. History didn't start

with the attack on NYC!!! We've been meddling in the Middle East for Oil for ages, taking it as if it belonged to us. Have you noticed how many countries are NOT being attacked.... because they mind their own business and don't try to steal what isn't theirs. When we as a nation elect into office those who do wrong, we can't blame nations for taking offense and fighting back.

Now the powers that be are poised to set us up as a fearful nation willing to elect almost a dictator (because he will be "strong&quot because we are so afraid of repercussions that are coming on we again want someone that thinks the military is the only way to go. We'll institute stuff like the Patriot Act. Hey, Republicans, what does that do for Freedom?

[geek tragedy]

156. Have you noticed that no Roman Catholic terrorists

sought to commit mass murder here in response to our much greater offenses against the people of Central and South America.

[arikara]

159. Who's they?

Are you referring to the Saudi nationals?
It wasn't Iraq. It wasn't Afghanistan either.

[Lochloosa]

14. I did.

[geek tragedy]

19. So no anger towards the barbarians who committed the Paris attacks?

Only Bush/Cheney can be blamed?

[Lochloosa]

20. Wow...really...that is the best you can do...

[geek tragedy]

23. You know radical Islamists were doing this before the Iraq war, right? nt

[Lochloosa]

26. I guess you stopped at GWB in my original post. Buy, hey...everyone has blinders.

[geek tragedy]

30. You didn't mention the perpetrators of this atrocity in your post nt

[Lochloosa]

34. There are plenty of post tonight you can join in condemning the perpetrators..go there

I'm not defending anyone.

[Lochloosa]

29. This will be the end of our discussion tonight. I might take it up at a later date.

[brush]

42. Why were they doing it? Let's try door number 1 — the Palestinians.

[geek tragedy]

45. Books have been written on the subject

The pathologies of Islamism are complex and a lot of them aren't caused by the USA and Israel.

[Rex]

50. No they are caused by groups of people in charge of a military giant.

Namely George Bush, Dick Cheney and Tony Blair. All criminals and all indirectly responsible for what happened today. If you cannot see it, then that is on you.

[geek tragedy]

57. No need to take a tone with me.

We don't know which Islamist group did this. Al Qaeda has not been ruled out, last time I checked.

[Rex]

60. Tone? Just stating the facts.

Nobody even was talking which group, just indirectly cause and effect. The PNAC plan in action to this day. You can talk about groups, this is about Bush and Cheney and their policy left behind groups spawned of from a lawless region.

Yeah my money is on ISIS.

[geek tragedy]

63. The MO is AQ. We will have to see. nt

[Rex]

67. Maybe it was a Russians.

The world is more fucked up since Bush got rid of some of the bigger henchmen. Now Putin the biggest thug runs around bombing the shit out of everyone.

[KingCharlemagne]

107. Are you seriously suggesting this was a Russian Operation???? - nt

[Rex]

125. Does it look like I am seriously blaming the Russians?

[brush]

71. Yeah, ISIS is scary, like Alqueda on steriods

[Rex]

73. It is. A fucked up death cult.

Fuck anything to do with Gods. They seem like a doomsday cult imo.

[Lochloosa]

64. So...I guess you are retracting your earlier post then..

Star Member geek tragedy (52,250 posts)

24. Radical Sunni Islamists.











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[RKP5637]

61. There was a tedious balance in the world that Bush and his henchmen managed

to destroy/upset. Now, the repercussions of that ripple on and on.

[Rex]

65. Henchmen killing smaller henchmen and causing world chaos.

With the biggest Boss of henchmen now bombing everyone around Syria. Yeah they left behind a fucked up world. Republicans usually do in some way and it is becoming problematic now.

[Marr]

126. I agree with you.

I've noticed American liberals seem to have a very western-centric view of this whole issue, as if we're the sole actors on a world stage otherwise occupied by nothing but passive, peaceful sheep.

The Middle East is a complex stew of competing interests, and etreme fundamentalism has been ascendant there for decades. To look at the reality there and respond with, 'it's all our doing' is, it seems to me, egotistical and paternalistic in the extreme.

[passiveporcupine]

47. Correct. You pass go. You collect $200.

What is also correct is that not only did Bush start a war with a country that had nothing to do with 9/11, he also let 9/11 happen.

[geek tragedy]

62. Yes. It happened on his watch.

[-none]

90. The Bush Administration was warned by numerous sources and they ignored the warnings.

Even by the outgoing Clinton Administration. Why?

[ChisolmTrailDem]

139. Is it your contention that bushco had no advance warning of attacks about to occur? nt

[geek tragedy]

140. I'm sure they knew some attacks were about to happen.

Do I think Bush is a good enough actor to fake the My Pet Goat reaction? No

[ChisolmTrailDem]

146. Yea, his reaction was indeed too weird to have faked it. nt

[herding cats]

91. I bet most everyone here is angry at the people who literally did this today.

It's just that many of us also realize the Bush regime created the situation which fanned the flames - in more ways than one - which lead up to this specific event today.

There are forces in the regions they chose to attack which fed off the war. As they were warned would happen, and yet chose to ignore. Then there's the aid which was given to the wrong fractions there as a result of the US aggression in the region. The list of screw ups is legion, and if I'm being honest exceeds the most recent military action in the region. It even exceeds the date of my birth. That's how long we've been dealing poorly with that region.

Today will be linked to Bush and his regime by historians, but they won't be the only ones to bear the blame. Which is as it should be, since every party great and small whose had a hand in this - which includes every terrorist group - is culpable today.

The difference is the terrorist groups are proud, and the others responsible are trying to blame anyone but themselves.

[treestar]

181. Very angry

What we do in the ME is not excuse for what they do.

On another level though, Bush foreign policy has made it all worse.

[smirkymonkey]

83. +1000

[Arugula Latte]

158. We were the murderers of tens of thousands of Iraqis

and we created ISIS by doing so.

[jimlup]

15. He fucked up major league didn't he?

I mean the Middle East was already deeply troubled but he fucked it up even more and now we are experiencing his leagacy. And the motherfuckers who form his base are tonight calling for more of the same.

Sorry for the language but it is hard to keep it down on a night like this

[LakeVermilion]

18. This is Pandora's Box!

Pandora's box is an artifact in Greek mythology, taken from the myth of Pandora's creation in Hesiod's Works and Days.[1] The "box" was actually a large jar (πίθος pithos)[2] given to Pandora (Πανδώρα, "all-gifted", "all-giving&quot ,[3] which contained all the evils of the world. Pandora opened the jar and all the evils flew out, leaving only Hope inside once she had closed it again.

Thank you...Cheney and GW Bush, and the Neocons.

[jwirr]

89. What bushie and chaney did was fail to understand the ME.

Given the rival religions in the area and the idea of jihad he did not realize that the only thing keeping them from total chaos was the strong leaders that kept them controlled.

That sounds terrible because those strong leaders used methods that we strongly object to - gassing the Kurds with gas we supplied to them, beheadings, etc. Since we overthrew those strong leaders we have not been able to find anyone to replace them and it is getting worse every day.

Now we are trying to take out the Syrian leader and we have helped to push all the refugees into Europe and get Russia involved as well.

So our influence has gone far beyond Iraq. We have involved all of the ME, most of Europe and now Russia in a war based on a lie. Where is it going to end?

[Skittles]

97. they had no use for the advice of the Middle East historians

no doubt they viewed them as "pointy-headed liberals"

[KingCharlemagne]

109. Had I not already fallen away from Buddhism, this would be the

Proverbial straw that broke my back. The evil continue to prosper while the virtuous suffer.

[jwirr]

121. And in those countries there might also be evil leaders but

we just replaced it with another kind of evil.

[jwirr]

120. Exactly.

[Fumesucker]

99. Cheney at least had quite a sophisticated understanding of the situation in Iraq

Here he is in 1994 laying out the reasons that invading Iraq would be a very bad idea...

[elmac]

28. Amen

The worlds a mess because Iraq threatened daddy + the heartless oil billionaire.

[slumcamper]

33. Yep, WTG asshat. U sure screwed the world up. Dumfukkery at it's finest. N/T

[restorefreedom]

37. evil fucking devil cheney is responsible

for setting this all into motion. saddam hated religious extremists. isis would never have been born and flourished but for fucking evil darth vader and his lust for oil and murder.

somewhere, a hole in the earth near a cauldron of thick, black vile pus is awaiting his return someday.

[thereismore]

38. Yep. nt

[hifiguy]

40. BIG kick for that.

You know Cheney is loving this.

[flamingdem]

41. It all leads back to those fucks

All these deaths on their hands.

[Rex]

49. They can pretend it was all 9/11, but it was the 2000 election.

They started off as criminals and left as war criminals. And now the world is more unstable thanks to them and a complacent media.

[flamingdem]

55. Yes indeed, they left as war criminals

but they started as political criminals.

And what really was the point, their "cabal" isn't working now Jeb! has no traction..

[Rex]

56. I think it goes back to the sons and Silverado S&L.

The kids learned you can steal huge amounts and get away with it, because their last name is Bush. They applied that to their state and Bush in office in the WH to horrible affect. Terrible for the entire world, not just America.

Now it is just a grab and dash. Jeb? looks so pathetic and weak.

They are running out the door with the cash box.

[brush]

75. Neil fucking Bush is never mentioned

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Jeb talks about "his bother" like he's only got one but that crook Neil is still getting away with his stolen millions and isn't there another n'er-do-well" brother, and a sister even?

[Rex]

76. Yes. I didn't know there was a sister for decades!

That family has some real deep secrets.

[virgogal]

87. Because you didn't know there was a Bush sister it meant

it was a secret.

Funniest post ever.

[Rex]

95. Hit the ground running.

[red dog 1]

144. The 4th son of George H.W. Bush is Marvin Bush.....The sister is Barbara Bush Koch

Some interesting facts about Marvin and the 9/11 attacks:
http://www.911hardfacts.com/report_09.htm

[brush]

177. Why are Bush fingerprints always all over disasters that happen to this country?

Thanks for the post. This explains why that fourth Bush brother is so low profile.

Seems they don't want him to be known about because 9/11 investigations might begin.

[hibbing]

43. I'll join in the FUCK YOU to that fucking idiot

The whole region is a cesspool. The idiot son makes me want to barf anytime I see him. Then what kind of mentality does ! have to get his panties all in a bunch when defending him, "He kept us safe! Remember the rubble?" What the fuck????


Peace

[MadDAsHell]

52. Arab countries are a "cesspool"; wow, did I stumble to FreeRepublic? nt

[hibbing]

59. uh...

Oh please, do I really need to clarify that statement? You used the word Arab, I did not. Being accused of being something from FR is rather offensive. Sorry, I many countries in the region are a cesspool of violence, much of it a result of the idiot son's policies. Have a nice night and good luck to you.

Peace

[Lochloosa]

66. I have to agree with you there. The Arab countries have contributed greatly to this world.

[Rex]

44. I blame them for stealing the election in 2000 and turning the world into a shithole for so many.

Cheney and the BFEE created these groups, part of the PNAC plan. They have their bad guy and still make billions to this day off of this never ending war.

Thanks BFEE, you are miserable people that love death and money.

[onecent]

48. a fucking men

[napkinz]

53. Reagan & Bush ... Fathers of Al Qaeda & ISIS

[Rex]

54. Jeb? says, 'stuff happens man.' Rubio says, 'I have better things to do than answer questions.'

Newt files teeth into sharp points. Dons eye patch and pirate hat.

PNAC rolls along...

[napkinz]

58. I never want to hear these words again: "My Brother Kept Us Safe."

[Rex]

68. Jeb? should take this moment to drop out.

Do the world a favor.

[napkinz]

74. ...

[KingCharlemagne]

124. I appreciate and respect the larger purpose of this meme, but the

Erstwhile historian in me feels compelled to mention the singular contributions of Zbig Brzezinski and Madleine Albright, thereby making this a clusterfuck of truly epic bipartisan proportions.

Howzabout one good old fashioned "USA!USA!USA!"?

[Travis_0004]

70. I seem to recall somebody else supporting war

https://m.

[Lochloosa]

82. Pardon my French...go away

[Rogue Democrat]

92. Why? She's as complicit as Bush for supporting the IWR resolution.

[Travis_0004]

119. Why

Did I make the video up, or is it because it does not fit your agenda.

[840high]

166. Easy answer.

[Dawson Leery]

72. k/r

[gordyfl]

77. When Will They Ever Learn

[rhett o rick]

84. And frack you to those so-called Democrats that bowed down to the Republicons in 2002.

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We were depending on you to help fight off the idiocy of Bush and the Republicons. But no, for some reason, you spit in the faces of the Democrats that you were supposed to be representing and bowed down to the Republicons. I only hope that some day you will have to answer for your crimes. How many innocent Iraqi children died? Or do you even care?

[KingCharlemagne]

122. Daschle and Gebhardt - the Quislings of our time - nt

[840high]

169. They don't care.

[Rogue Democrat]

85. I agree.

Send The Loser off to the Hague with Heartless Dick and Donald Duck.

[colsohlibgal]

88. +1000

No unecessary Iraq War and almost certainly no ISIS. It is that simple. Hope Hillary and the others who voted yes on Doofus Dubya's "Shock and Awe" think long and hard about what they have helped bring about.

As an agnostic I'm not at all sure there is a Hell but if there is, all those who caused tonight's attack and the Bush/Cheney cabal who brought it all about will reside there one day.

[The Wizard]

93. This place exists

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Because George W. Bush stole the 2000 election. And we've voluntarily given up our rights so as to be something other than the land of the free and the home of the brave. Bush terrorized us as a well as the rest of the world. He then profited from the fear he created. It all started with the crime that put the cartel in permanent power.
They've gamed the system to where they have the judiciary on the payroll. There's no other reason for Karl Rove and Alberto Gonzalez to be free men today. And the rest of the cartel is also culpable.
If international law enforcement comes for the cartel, the US authorities should look the other way. It's the only way we restore our morals and conscience. Hold them accountable.
Every day they would tell a bigger lie than the day before. The human mind cannot keep up with the onslaught of propaganda, and that's the technique they used to keep everyone off balance. Bush's malapropisms were by design, so as to give the appearance of plausible deniability after he was exposed. We were the victims a mass brain washing operation. First we were traumatized and then we surrendered who we are as a culture. That they executed their evil plan without a peep from the corporate media is evidence that the cartel used the Constitution many of us defended with our lives as just a damn piece of paper. Whenever a crime of this magnitude is committed, follow the money to an off shore money laundry.

[moondust]

94. If Saddam had remained in power,

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probably no rise of AQI and thus no ISIS today. Probably about the same deal for Saddam's chosen successor, whoever that might have been. Bushco probably also made a mistake pushing al-Maliki into office: too sectarian and too close to Iran.

By the way, Iran probably would have vetoed any SOFA that would have allowed some U.S. troops to stay in Iraq, so Republicans can stop pretending that was a real option for Bush or Obama.

[rockfordfile]

96. should be to all of the republicans that pushed it

[malaise]

98. I have something else to say

Until the war criminals are tried and locked up this planet cannot be safe.
War is never one-sided - you kill innocents and more innocents will be killed. No propaganda in the world will change that.

[napkinz]

100. "Until the war criminals are tried and locked up" ...

[Lochloosa]

116. Thank you

[KansDem]

102. Send them all to GitMo!!!

And waterboard them until they confess!

[TM99]

103. There is plenty of blame to go around.

From the CIA coup in Iran in the 1950's to today, Republicans AND Democrats have both had their hands in this fucked up mess.

George W. Bush and PNAC wanted their Iraq War, and fucking Democrats like Clinton, Kerry, Biden, and others gave it to them.

We could have prosecuted these PNAC fuckers starting in 2008 but Pelosi 'took it off the table'. Then Obama admonished us to 'look forward' and accept them for their 'patriotism'.

I am sorry - fuck all of them. First it was our obsession with a Capitalist/Communist war for domination that opened the Pandora's Box and then it has been finished off by neoliberals of both parties who capitulate to the neocon foreign policy.

[ejbr]

111. I dare say

The drone wars that we are still conducting plays a significant part as well. (What you alluded to in your last sentence)

[TM99]

112. Of course it does.

We would be foolish to think otherwise.

[ejbr]

114. There are a lot of fools

Being shocked about last nights events

[TM99]

115. Isn't that the damned truth! n/t

[jack_krass]

128. Why stop there?

If you really want to get to the root of it, take a good look at how the region was carved up (mostly by the British) at the end of the Ottoman empire.

[TM99]

129. Yes indeed.

And like I said in one post, we really can take this all the way back to the crusades. Will this ever be resolved?

[jack_krass]

135. Not to excuse Bush, Cheny, and company

Those assholes blew the lid clean off, destroying any semblance of stability.

[TM99]

136. What pisses me off the most is that

we could see what Bush and the PNAC wanted. It was bold, honest, and in your fucking face from Clinton's second term on.

To fall for that sack of lies as Dems like Clinton, Biden, and Kerry did is just fucking disgusting. Come on you nimrods, millions across the world saw what was happening and why. What the fuck are y'all doing going along with this sick shit?

[Skittles]

168. which leads me to believe they did NOT "fall" for the lies

they could not have been THAT stupid, failing to see what was obvious to us

they were complicit

[TM99]

176. Of course they were complicit.

None of them were that naive and ignorant.

[Skittles]

167. I agree

FUCK THEM ALL - they all bear responsibility - and FUCK the DUers who excuse all this bullshit because they are fanboys of (insert politician here)

[TM99]

175. Amen!

[billhicks76]

108. Inside Job

[gordyfl]

113. The Cost of War(s)

And China's laughing all the way to the bank.

[Enthusiast]

117. Kicked and recommended! This post should have a bazillion recommendations.

[Akamai]

130. These assholes got Bush re-elected in 2004, so for them, and Rove, Mission accomplished

while the world fell apart because of them.

Also, I get very tired of hearing military people advocate for more war, more military adventures. It is quite understandable if their status depends on getting us into more incursions where they can prove their worth to the military hierarchy, but it destroys the country, destroys men and women, ruins our reputation worldwide, etc. I recall Sen. Al Franken on Air America Radio making the point that asking the military whether they can achieve an objective is foolish, because almost always they will say yes--that is their training, that is what they are selected for, and that has gotten us into unnecessary and bloody conflicts time and time again.

I was just listening this morning to Gen. Paul Van Riper's interview on YouTube regarding the Millennium Wargames of 2002, this discussed in the book "Blink" by Malcolm Gladwell. Gen. Van Riper, a highly decorated Marine general, participated in the wargames as leader of the RED side, this defending the middle east country against the BLUE team. The problem was that Gen. Van Riper was incredibly successful in his methods, destroying in this game scenario 16 large ships and killing 20,000 people. That happened very, very quickly, and as a result of that, the people running this wargame closed it down and change the rules, forcing the RED team to lose the second time. Gen. Van Riper then quit the wargames and said that he could not fight the war game scenario unless he had full control of his options.

Gen. Van Riper in his tactics used "asymmetric warfare tactics" including suicide bombing, and employed primitive means of communication (having messengers deliver messages on motorcycles rather than using the electronic media).

The original Millennial Wargames was really intended to justify invading a country in the Middle East, at least that was the view of many. Even in spite of the clear problems highlighted by Gen. Van Riper, George Bush blithely, without a care in the world, launch the invasion.

Bernie's responses to the questions posed by the moderators tonight are really going to be telling, as will be the responses of Hillary and Gov. O'Malley. As opposed to what Bernie's responses will probably be, Ted Cruz said that we should start bombing and not worry much about innocent people being killed.

Go Bernie! Screw the war makers! (As Jesus would probably say.)

[niyad]

127. may they all rot in the hell they have created for everyone else.

[radhika]

132. FUCK YOU also to the Henchmen who followed

And who still remain in positions of influence today. Adding fuel to the fire, and capitalizing on the booty.

[AikidoSoul]

134. I hope there is a hell just for them

and that they burn forever and ever and ever

[Logical]

141. It's not like Obama ended this shit either. nt

[TRoN33]

148. Lochlossa, I'm with you. Fuck you W. Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, Rice, Greenspans and Hastert.

Just.... Fuck.... You.... All....

[spiderpig]

154. Obama was out with a statement within minutes. Shrub?

(crickets)

[deutsey]

160. He doesn't care in the slightest what you (or I or any of us) think

The only thing that probably bothers him is that he's still stigmatized by his miserably failed "presidency" despite the number of PR tricks they've devised to try to salvage his reputation (like they did recently on Veteran's Day).

[47of74]

161. Indeed

All of them.

[Joe Chi Minh]

162. What about 'and the horse he rode in on.' I haven't seen that little bit of poetic nonsense

for a good while.

[JEB]

180. Times like these, I appreciate "Rusty wire brush".

[Lochloosa]

171. Bye Bye.

[dorkzilla]

172. That was a slam dunk - first time I remember seeing this!

Juror #1 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: Finally an easy one. Show this guy the door, please.
Juror #2 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: Oh my...this is my first experience with an honest-to-christ racist troll. And it makes me feel just as dirty and crappy as I always figured I'd feel......good riddance, asshole.
Juror #3 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #4 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: Not a good first post in a Democratic forum.
Juror #5 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: Pretty obvious.
Juror #6 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #7 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: Holy shit - “monkey in the white house”? Someone has been dipping into the cooking sherry again!

[Lochloosa]

173. You must have been #2. lol

[dorkzilla]

174. Nope! But I can see why you’d think that!

BTW, my husband was in a Dead tribute band for a long time...he’d love your avatar - he doesn’t get mine

Oh us lonely history majors

[red dog 1]

178. "Ain't nothin' for the head like the good old Grateful Dead"

I used to see that bumper sticker all the time...Now, not so much.

I loved Garcia; but my favorite band member will always be Pigpen.

[Rex]

179. That rec list says it all.