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Kurska

(5,739 posts)
Sat Nov 14, 2015, 08:50 AM Nov 2015

Officials: 1 suicide bomber had Syrian passport as ISIS claims responsibility in Paris attacks

"on the body of one of the suicide bombers who targeted France's national soccer stadium.
The Islamic State group has claimed responsibility for Friday's deadly attacks in Paris, France, that left 127 people dead.
ISIS made its announcement Saturday morning, shortly after French President Francois Hollande accused the group of conspiring to commit the deadliest attack in the country's history since World War II. Hollande is meeting top government and security officials after suicide bombers targeted a stadium, concert hall and Friday night cafe crowds
Hollande said he vows to strike the group back for what he called "an act of war."
The president of the International Olympic Committee says the terrorist attacks in Paris are "an attack on humanity and all humanitarian and Olympic values."

Thomas Bach adds in a statement: "Today all people of goodwill will say: We are all French."
Meanwhile, British police say the north terminal at Gatwick Airport is being evacuated as a precaution after authorities found a suspicious article.
Police described the evacuation Saturday as a precaution, but the incident comes at a time of heightened concern in Britain in the aftermath of the terror attacks in Paris. Police have announced additional security at ports and big events in light of the attacks."

http://www.wftv.com/news/news/local/isis-claims-responsibility-paris-attacks/npNCB/

So was he a refugee too? I'll be very curious to see how someone with a Syrian passport got into France to help carry out a deadly suicide bombing.

Anyone else remember how ISIS was boasting about infiltrating Europe with terrorists hidden among the refugees? Doesn't seem so crazy now, does it?

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Officials: 1 suicide bomber had Syrian passport as ISIS claims responsibility in Paris attacks (Original Post) Kurska Nov 2015 OP
It's all very predictable. These things are foreshadowed months if not years in advance. CJCRANE Nov 2015 #1
It amazed me that people thought Kurska Nov 2015 #2
I gravitated to DU during the Bush era CJCRANE Nov 2015 #6
As predictable as the sun rising in the east. EL34x4 Nov 2015 #7
This has the reality for years in places like Israel, lebanon, Iraq and Syria. Kurska Nov 2015 #8
Europe has had practice dealing with unwanted ethnic groups. EL34x4 Nov 2015 #10
And the reactions to this event are predictable, too. razorman Nov 2015 #11
On the whole, refugees don't have passports muriel_volestrangler Nov 2015 #3
The only thing it tells us is where he came from Kurska Nov 2015 #4
I'm not sure how true that is. A Syrian passport is actually a vital asset if you're a refugee. CJCRANE Nov 2015 #5
Fraudulent Syrian passports were easy to acquire EL34x4 Nov 2015 #9
I'm left wondering, why attack the French? ffr Nov 2015 #12
Is this a serious question? philosslayer Nov 2015 #13
Am I a stooge for not knowing the obviousness of that? ffr Nov 2015 #14
Paris is 'The City of Light'. They want to quench the light of multiculturalism. randome Nov 2015 #15
Is that in the ISIS recruiting brochure? What page? ffr Nov 2015 #17
French aircraft are bombing ISIS non-stop for months alcibiades_mystery Nov 2015 #16
Thank you. This makes sense. ffr Nov 2015 #19
Yet they have said nothing about North Africa. Not a thing. randome Nov 2015 #20
Yes, I know that alcibiades_mystery Nov 2015 #21
Seriously!?! odd_duck Nov 2015 #18

CJCRANE

(18,184 posts)
1. It's all very predictable. These things are foreshadowed months if not years in advance.
Sat Nov 14, 2015, 08:58 AM
Nov 2015

But you're accused of being a conspiracy theorist if you point it out at the time.

Kurska

(5,739 posts)
2. It amazed me that people thought
Sat Nov 14, 2015, 08:59 AM
Nov 2015

It was impossible for a well funded terrorist group to infiltrate their members into a barely regulated stream of millions of people.

CJCRANE

(18,184 posts)
6. I gravitated to DU during the Bush era
Sat Nov 14, 2015, 09:09 AM
Nov 2015

because LWers had the strongest grasp on reality and the most curiosity.

But many on today's DU often seem to be in a bubble, oblivious to what's going on in the wider world and more determined to stick to partisan talking points rather than getting to the truth of the matter.

 

EL34x4

(2,003 posts)
7. As predictable as the sun rising in the east.
Sat Nov 14, 2015, 09:13 AM
Nov 2015

And it's not over yet. This is just the beginning. ISIS recruitment within Europe is going to go through the roof.

Brace yourself for the "new normal" in Europe.

Kurska

(5,739 posts)
8. This has the reality for years in places like Israel, lebanon, Iraq and Syria.
Sat Nov 14, 2015, 09:14 AM
Nov 2015

I wonder how Europe will adapt to these circumstances.

 

EL34x4

(2,003 posts)
10. Europe has had practice dealing with unwanted ethnic groups.
Sat Nov 14, 2015, 09:35 AM
Nov 2015

They became very good at it.

Think it can't happen again? I'll bet it can.

If one prays to Mecca five times a day, it might be time to consider looking for housing accommodations elsewhere before these decisions are made for you.

razorman

(1,644 posts)
11. And the reactions to this event are predictable, too.
Sat Nov 14, 2015, 09:49 AM
Nov 2015

There will be fear of an "anti-Muslim backlash" which never materializes. Such sentiments as "Today, we are all French" (just like, "We are all New Yorkers" after 9-11) will last about two weeks. In a couple of months this event will fade into history, and the cycle will start over again, until the next attack.

muriel_volestrangler

(101,321 posts)
3. On the whole, refugees don't have passports
Sat Nov 14, 2015, 09:02 AM
Nov 2015

which are more a sign of someone with the ability to take scheduled travel. And there isn't a general ban on Syrians travelling - after all, there are many Syrian factions. And a Syrian could have exited the country before the civil war started, and could have legal permission to stay long-term in France. On its own, the passport doesn't tell us much.

Kurska

(5,739 posts)
4. The only thing it tells us is where he came from
Sat Nov 14, 2015, 09:04 AM
Nov 2015

You're right it doesn't say anything about how he got there.

Though I think if you're trying to make a refugee claim as a Syrian, your passport might help you. I do wonder what percent of refugees do have passports. Syria was a solid second world nation before the civil war, I'm sure a large number of people had passports and many refugees took them with them.

CJCRANE

(18,184 posts)
5. I'm not sure how true that is. A Syrian passport is actually a vital asset if you're a refugee.
Sat Nov 14, 2015, 09:06 AM
Nov 2015

There are stories of some throwing their passports away but I haven't seen any figures about what percentage do that.

 

EL34x4

(2,003 posts)
9. Fraudulent Syrian passports were easy to acquire
Sat Nov 14, 2015, 09:20 AM
Nov 2015

NPR had a story on all the refugees ditching their non-Syrian passports for fake Syrian ones. They didn't even need to be convincing facsimiles. Nobody was questioning them.

ffr

(22,670 posts)
12. I'm left wondering, why attack the French?
Sat Nov 14, 2015, 12:17 PM
Nov 2015

Was it the ease of getting firearms into that region with attackers embedded in the population, as opposed to somewhere else...path of least resistance, ease of attacking innocents? Seems cliche, but what's the French connection here?

 

philosslayer

(3,076 posts)
13. Is this a serious question?
Sat Nov 14, 2015, 12:19 PM
Nov 2015

The attacks were done as a propaganda and recruiting tool. What better place to attack than one of the most cosmopolitan cities in the world?

ffr

(22,670 posts)
14. Am I a stooge for not knowing the obviousness of that?
Sat Nov 14, 2015, 12:29 PM
Nov 2015

But of course, attack Paris. It's listed right here on the ISIS recruiting brochure. But then, NYC and LA are on par with Paris, so why not attack them too? And the U.S. is far more in the fight against ISIS than is France. Which brings me back to the original question. Was it because of resources? Why not Milan, the fashion capital of the world? But no, they selected multiple attacks on Parisians. So why them more than anyone else?

 

randome

(34,845 posts)
15. Paris is 'The City of Light'. They want to quench the light of multiculturalism.
Sat Nov 14, 2015, 12:31 PM
Nov 2015

[hr][font color="blue"][center]"The whole world is a circus if you know how to look at it."
Tony Randall, 7 Faces of Dr. Lao (1964)
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ffr

(22,670 posts)
17. Is that in the ISIS recruiting brochure? What page?
Sat Nov 14, 2015, 12:45 PM
Nov 2015

They're attacking cities with lights and this is their reasoning? Seems there are lots of cities with lights closer to the middle east home of ISIS than Paris.

I'd be extra vigilant then if I lived in Broward County, Florida, the City of Lighthouse Point.

 

alcibiades_mystery

(36,437 posts)
16. French aircraft are bombing ISIS non-stop for months
Sat Nov 14, 2015, 12:39 PM
Nov 2015

French troops halted the advance of Al Qaeda in the Maghreb, eventually forcing a ceasefire.

Behind the US, there is no Western country (let's exclude Russia for the moment) as tied to anti-ISIS and anti-al Qaeda military action as France.

France has a large Islamic population that increasingly under economic and cultural pressure, and therefore easy to recruit.

The question is not "Why France?" but "How is this only the second major attack in France?"

 

randome

(34,845 posts)
20. Yet they have said nothing about North Africa. Not a thing.
Sat Nov 14, 2015, 12:53 PM
Nov 2015

They have mentioned Paris being "a capital of prostitution and obscenity" and, much later, Iraq and Syria. Yet nothing about NA, which you think is their primary motivation.

Al Qaeda is also not ISIS/Daesh.
[hr][font color="blue"][center]"The whole world is a circus if you know how to look at it."
Tony Randall, 7 Faces of Dr. Lao (1964)
[/center][/font][hr]

 

alcibiades_mystery

(36,437 posts)
21. Yes, I know that
Sat Nov 14, 2015, 01:05 PM
Nov 2015

You say " which you think is their primary motivation." I said nothing of the sort. I'm putting out the multiple possibilities for the targeting of France, given our limited information.

Thank you also for the obvious and condescending lesson on ISIS as distinct from al Qaeda. We can have conversations, randome, without treating each other in such a shitty manner.

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