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Baitball Blogger

(46,727 posts)
Sat Nov 14, 2015, 10:42 AM Nov 2015

From 9/11 to ISIS - Time to start asking, what did they know and when did they know it?

The word is finally out on the streets. Months before the 9/11 attacks the Bush Administration's inner circle had forewarning and they responded like CEOs that were in the business to sell widgets instead of protecting the citizens in this country. Their strategy involved tamping down on information to avoid responsibility. And it worked wonderfully for them. Many of them have managed to continue their careers earning a salary as consultants or were still allowed to have a relevant say in the news. They never faced consequences for their decisions

Question now is, who else knew? In this age when leaks are common and nothing really remains secret for long, who else knew about this and kept quiet or worse, were complicit in the cover-up that followed. I can think of one or two reporters that are suspect.

I think we need another investigation to find out what really happened because we're still dealing with tragic consequences from that era.

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From 9/11 to ISIS - Time to start asking, what did they know and when did they know it? (Original Post) Baitball Blogger Nov 2015 OP
Yes, this is THE question to ask right now. Buzz Clik Nov 2015 #1
Why not right now? It wasn't us that was attacked last night.... ChisolmTrailDem Nov 2015 #4
Sorting out these conspiracies is crucial. Buzz Clik Nov 2015 #7
What conspiracies? The CIA revelation has pushed us beyond that level. Baitball Blogger Nov 2015 #8
MIHOP! LIHOP! HIPHOP! Buzz Clik Nov 2015 #9
You're jumping the timeline. Baitball Blogger Nov 2015 #11
So, we know the bush admin had been warned repeatedly and you're making fun of... ChisolmTrailDem Nov 2015 #14
LOL!!! greytdemocrat Nov 2015 #15
We can't handle the truth Cartoonist Nov 2015 #2
I don't know about that. Baitball Blogger Nov 2015 #3
Of course it took hold. Your were told that you were "either with us or against us". Right from... ChisolmTrailDem Nov 2015 #5
Abused into submission. That's how I remember it. Baitball Blogger Nov 2015 #6
He said, "Either with us or with the terrorists" FiveGoodMen Nov 2015 #20
A carefully-worded admonishment not to look inward, but outward. nt ChisolmTrailDem Nov 2015 #21
I believe something ugly is about to be revealed tularetom Nov 2015 #10
You are obviously a news junkie because you have picked up on the Baitball Blogger Nov 2015 #12
I think so, too. One other thing I find interesting dmr Nov 2015 #25
Let the truth come out brush Nov 2015 #13
"...about to go public..."? God, I hope it's Colin Powell. nt ChisolmTrailDem Nov 2015 #17
I think the Bush administration sorefeet Nov 2015 #16
K&R tecelote Nov 2015 #18
Elizabety Drew wrote an excellent article for The Huff Post just a couple of weeks nirvana555 Nov 2015 #19
What a read! tecelote Nov 2015 #24
Complicit. :-) hedda_foil Nov 2015 #22
Oooh. Good catch. Thanks. tecelote Nov 2015 #23
This is not new "news" deathrind Nov 2015 #26
^^That^^ onecaliberal Nov 2015 #28
Black and Tennet know the answer to those questions and onecaliberal Nov 2015 #27
 

Buzz Clik

(38,437 posts)
7. Sorting out these conspiracies is crucial.
Sat Nov 14, 2015, 11:13 AM
Nov 2015

Time to stock making mock ups with chicken wire, plaster, and papier mache.

Baitball Blogger

(46,727 posts)
11. You're jumping the timeline.
Sat Nov 14, 2015, 11:31 AM
Nov 2015

The CIA has confirmed that the Bush Administration was given advanced warning. The responsible thing to do now is to review why the Administration took the route of denial and inaction. In case you missed it, they used the chaos and confusion to pursue objectives that have defined us.

If you do not study the mistakes of the past, you are doomed to repeat them. We can't afford that anymore.

 

ChisolmTrailDem

(9,463 posts)
14. So, we know the bush admin had been warned repeatedly and you're making fun of...
Sat Nov 14, 2015, 11:42 AM
Nov 2015

...us for wanting to know more about the conspiracy to ignore those warnings?

Why did they ignore the warnings? What happened as a result of ignoring those warnings? How long did it take to get even a Keystone Kops-level investigation of the attacks?

Why do you support the bush admin's "official story" of what happened on 9/11?

I guess you were with them, not against them.

Baitball Blogger

(46,727 posts)
3. I don't know about that.
Sat Nov 14, 2015, 11:00 AM
Nov 2015

If ISIS is behind the Paris attacks, the world is going to come to our door to look for answers.

I think the answers will go beyond the fact that the Bush Administration walked into office with an ABC strategy. Anything But Clinton. They intentionally distanced themselves from a system that worked. And I think their reasoning will go beyond sheer incompetence.

I am more dismayed that a cover-up was allowed to take hold and policies were built on a lie. It is a pattern that keeps repeating and we continue to destabilize our economy and way of life because of it.

I don't think we have the luxury of turning away from the truth any more.

 

ChisolmTrailDem

(9,463 posts)
5. Of course it took hold. Your were told that you were "either with us or against us". Right from...
Sat Nov 14, 2015, 11:05 AM
Nov 2015

...go everyone was shamed into not even thinkiing about it, or you would be against them.

tularetom

(23,664 posts)
10. I believe something ugly is about to be revealed
Sat Nov 14, 2015, 11:29 AM
Nov 2015

First, Daddy Bush writes a book in which he essentially throws Cheney and Rumsfeld under the bus, in the process making his son look like an unwitting stooge.

Then a story comes out that they had a lot more warning than the famous PDB ("bin Laden determined to strike in US&quot , that the CIA was practically begging them to take action, and that the files are full of CYA documents from various intelligence officials.

It all makes me think that there is someone fairly close to the decision making process who is about to go public with information that will cast a very unpleasant light on the whole crew.

It will be most uncomfortable for the entire Bush administration but also for legislators who voted to start a war with a country that had jack shit to do with the events of 9/11.

And once the connection between the Iraq war and the rise of ISIS is clear, there will be no place to hide for a lot of people. Even complaint media won't be able to keep it covered up.

It may be wishful thinking but IMO the rumbles are starting.

Baitball Blogger

(46,727 posts)
12. You are obviously a news junkie because you have picked up on the
Sat Nov 14, 2015, 11:33 AM
Nov 2015

same cues that I have.

Something is coming down the pike. We will not need to guess about this much longer.

dmr

(28,347 posts)
25. I think so, too. One other thing I find interesting
Sat Nov 14, 2015, 06:16 PM
Nov 2015

is the timing.

Because Jeb! is running for president, you'd think this book would have been released after the outcome of his candidacy. After all it's not very flattering to GW, and is a problem for Jeb!

But who knows what else is written that has hidden meaning only to be understood by whomever or somewhere along in history.

Anyway, the timing is curious, and I think Ole Poppy wanted this published before his death, to prove that these are his thoughts and beliefs. HW's family, friends, foes can't say Meecham made up stories or embellished, instead HW is here to authenticate this book.

I think this is an important element.

brush

(53,784 posts)
13. Let the truth come out
Sat Nov 14, 2015, 11:40 AM
Nov 2015

And get those warmongers in jail.

It's ironic that the Paris attacks are already being called France's 9/11 and these very attacks might bring new facts to the for, and bring down the ones who ignored warnings about our 9/11.

sorefeet

(1,241 posts)
16. I think the Bush administration
Sat Nov 14, 2015, 11:44 AM
Nov 2015

started all this bullshit. I think the truth will come out after old man Bush dies. His brother could pardon the entire family if they are found guilty. Good reason to run for president.

tecelote

(5,122 posts)
18. K&R
Sat Nov 14, 2015, 12:52 PM
Nov 2015

Without justice, we are all implicit. It's time we, as a nation, did what's right and put our war criminals on trial. Otherwise we will get what we got. Endless war.

nirvana555

(448 posts)
19. Elizabety Drew wrote an excellent article for The Huff Post just a couple of weeks
Sat Nov 14, 2015, 01:16 PM
Nov 2015

ago. It's titled something like how much is Bush responsible for 9/11. Also, PLEASE check out the PNAC (Project For A New American Century) plan. On page 51 of that document you'll find your answer (you can just google PNAC and Pearl Harbor and it should come up).

deathrind

(1,786 posts)
26. This is not new "news"
Sat Nov 14, 2015, 06:39 PM
Nov 2015

Last edited Sat Nov 14, 2015, 08:21 PM - Edit history (1)

It has been known for a very long time that there were many warnings about potential attacks by Bin Laden / Al-Qaeda prior to 9/11 that the bush admin received and did nothing about.

We don't need more investigations concerning this aspect...what we need are charges being filed and warrants being issued against those whos criminal negligence (at the very least) lead to the death of thousands of Americans.


Edit: Name correction.

onecaliberal

(32,862 posts)
27. Black and Tennet know the answer to those questions and
Sat Nov 14, 2015, 06:41 PM
Nov 2015

They've already made that public. They tried to warn Rice and Bush multiple times but they didn't want to hear it. Are people so fucking naive?!?

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