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peacebird

(14,195 posts)
Sat Nov 14, 2015, 10:49 AM Nov 2015

Are we on the tipping point of WWIII?

What do you think? I can totally see Putin trying to take advantage of this moment, helping his pal Assad crush the opposition, not ISIS. I wonder if China, sensing US weakness, will attempt to display their power.

The old curse- we do live in interesting times.

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Are we on the tipping point of WWIII? (Original Post) peacebird Nov 2015 OP
It surely feels like darkangel218 Nov 2015 #1
In a word, NO! eom MohRokTah Nov 2015 #2
NO???? Cayenne Nov 2015 #7
WWIII????? MohRokTah Nov 2015 #9
Then make this projection Cayenne Nov 2015 #12
Pretty much the way it's been playing out all along,... MohRokTah Nov 2015 #16
It already spilling over into Iraq, Turkey, and Israel. Cayenne Nov 2015 #17
Good grief... MohRokTah Nov 2015 #19
You are the only one mentioning nukes....nt Mojorabbit Nov 2015 #31
That's what WWIII is all about, nukes. MohRokTah Nov 2015 #32
I totally disagree. nt Mojorabbit Nov 2015 #34
You will never see nuclear powers going to war with each other, else you have nuclear weapons being MohRokTah Nov 2015 #36
We are in a proxy war in Syria now. We can certainly go to war without nukes being used. Mojorabbit Nov 2015 #38
Since the tens of thousands of Muslims and a others killed all around the world by terrorists has Fred Sanders Nov 2015 #3
9-11 didn't do it. 7-7 didn't do it. Codeine Nov 2015 #4
No gwheezie Nov 2015 #5
Russia and China Cayenne Nov 2015 #10
I thought only Carson believed that China was involved in Syria. hollysmom Nov 2015 #13
China and Russia are forming an alliance Cayenne Nov 2015 #15
You may be on to something, Let China build skyscrapers in Syria for ISIS! snooper2 Nov 2015 #18
Getting that tyrant Sadamn out of power really helped the Iraqi people. LiberalArkie Nov 2015 #39
John Kerry is going to kill Russians? geek tragedy Nov 2015 #50
Yes. H2O Man Nov 2015 #6
No we are not. But thinking that things could be heading that way... LostOne4Ever Nov 2015 #8
FFS, calm down, I hate this drama shit. nt Logical Nov 2015 #11
Absolutely we are headed to big war Cayenne Nov 2015 #14
We spent fifty years butted up next to each other Codeine Nov 2015 #20
Putin sees the US as weakened, & with no taste for war. He has pressed that to his advantage peacebird Nov 2015 #21
How about competing within the same country, Syria Cayenne Nov 2015 #22
WW3 no. But I do see US, Europe, and Russia and maybe Iran and Iraq moving on ISIS. hollowdweller Nov 2015 #23
That's what I think is most likily. ISIS is attacking pretty much everyone. JoePhilly Nov 2015 #27
All Countries Of The World Need To Band Together To..... global1 Nov 2015 #35
But, the US is going 'the other way'...TPP is about keeping China out of control HereSince1628 Nov 2015 #40
I Just Feel That You Have To Keep Economics/TPP Issues Out Of This Discussion..... global1 Nov 2015 #42
Or, the West overreacting as it usually does. Tierra_y_Libertad Nov 2015 #24
Our best play would be to step aside and let Russia and China move in. bluedigger Nov 2015 #25
Nnnnnnope. cherokeeprogressive Nov 2015 #26
Many observers and participants already identify the "War on Terror"... yallerdawg Nov 2015 #28
No, nations today realize the devastating effect of a World War. Yes, there might be RKP5637 Nov 2015 #29
Octafish posted this in another thread: "Money to be made, Peacebird" peacebird Nov 2015 #33
Thank you for your reply, peacebird. In WWII many made a fortune off of death, destruction, maiming RKP5637 Nov 2015 #41
Groups in contact mean groups in conflict to one degree or another HereSince1628 Nov 2015 #30
King Abdullah II of Jordan thinks so. roamer65 Nov 2015 #37
pOpe Francis agrees cap Nov 2015 #49
more like a grinding permanent inkspot war where France, Russia, America, Germany, and Britain MisterP Nov 2015 #43
No. Rex Nov 2015 #44
I think we may well be, but not in the Americas Marrah_G Nov 2015 #45
Kerry tells Russians to stop bombing IS and al Qaeda. Cayenne Nov 2015 #46
Will we know it when WW3 starts? Renew Deal Nov 2015 #47
You could argue that WWIII started with the illegal occupation of Afghanistan. Initech Nov 2015 #48
One way or the other she should sit this one out. AngryAmish Nov 2015 #51

Cayenne

(480 posts)
7. NO????
Sat Nov 14, 2015, 11:03 AM
Nov 2015

We most certainly are on a collision course with Russia. Kerry at some point is going to tell the Russians to leave and then they will not. Then somebody starts shooting down Russian fighters then this escalates out of control.

 

MohRokTah

(15,429 posts)
9. WWIII?????
Sat Nov 14, 2015, 11:08 AM
Nov 2015

No way in HELL are we on a course for WWIII.

It's insane to even contemplate that we are on a course for WWIII

 

MohRokTah

(15,429 posts)
16. Pretty much the way it's been playing out all along,...
Sat Nov 14, 2015, 11:19 AM
Nov 2015

except more bombs will be dropped.

No way in hell does it escalate beyond Syria. Anybody who thinks so should seek professional help

 

MohRokTah

(15,429 posts)
19. Good grief...
Sat Nov 14, 2015, 11:30 AM
Nov 2015

Nobody is going to drop nuclear bombs,...

Unless, of course, Trump get elected, then all bets are off.

 

MohRokTah

(15,429 posts)
36. You will never see nuclear powers going to war with each other, else you have nuclear weapons being
Sat Nov 14, 2015, 12:05 PM
Nov 2015

used.

End of story.

Mojorabbit

(16,020 posts)
38. We are in a proxy war in Syria now. We can certainly go to war without nukes being used.
Sat Nov 14, 2015, 12:12 PM
Nov 2015

You can say it as many times as you like but I disagree with you a hundred percent. The danger would be there but it will not necessarily happen.

Fred Sanders

(23,946 posts)
3. Since the tens of thousands of Muslims and a others killed all around the world by terrorists has
Sat Nov 14, 2015, 10:57 AM
Nov 2015

not set off a world war why would an attack and mass murders in France do it?

Kind of Weterncentric to say so.

Cayenne

(480 posts)
10. Russia and China
Sat Nov 14, 2015, 11:08 AM
Nov 2015

Have you not been paying attention to what is happening in Syria. It is a big chess game to who controls Syria. Kerry is insisting a puppet replace Assad and the Russians are there to protect their long standing ally. At some point soon Kerry is going to go too far and kill some Russians in Syria. How can that not lead to war?

Cayenne

(480 posts)
15. China and Russia are forming an alliance
Sat Nov 14, 2015, 11:19 AM
Nov 2015

China does have an aircraft carrier there. There will be more Chinese coming, probably construction battalions.

LiberalArkie

(15,716 posts)
39. Getting that tyrant Sadamn out of power really helped the Iraqi people.
Sat Nov 14, 2015, 12:17 PM
Nov 2015

I never thought this before, but some countries I think do better with a tyrant.

 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
50. John Kerry is going to kill Russians?
Sun Nov 15, 2015, 10:11 AM
Nov 2015

You know this isn't the 1960's and Syria isn't Vietnam, right?

LostOne4Ever

(9,289 posts)
8. No we are not. But thinking that things could be heading that way...
Sat Nov 14, 2015, 11:05 AM
Nov 2015

[font style="font-family:'Georgia','Baskerville Old Face','Helvetica',fantasy;" size=4 color=teal]Could quite easily turn into a self fulfilling prophesy. [/font]

Cayenne

(480 posts)
14. Absolutely we are headed to big war
Sat Nov 14, 2015, 11:16 AM
Nov 2015

Anybody thinking using force to remove the Russians from Syria is not going to lead to war is very naive.

 

Codeine

(25,586 posts)
20. We spent fifty years butted up next to each other
Sat Nov 14, 2015, 11:31 AM
Nov 2015

in various shooting wars from Korea on and we never went to war.

peacebird

(14,195 posts)
21. Putin sees the US as weakened, & with no taste for war. He has pressed that to his advantage
Sat Nov 14, 2015, 11:35 AM
Nov 2015

aquiring part of soveriegn nation. We did nothing. He sees us as weak, he will push as far as he can now.

Cayenne

(480 posts)
22. How about competing within the same country, Syria
Sat Nov 14, 2015, 11:35 AM
Nov 2015

Kerry is, maybe, going to send even more troops into Syria. Possibly Russia puts a bomb on our Special Forces, possibly intentionally. Russia will be putting more troops there, what happens when we put a bomb on them?

JoePhilly

(27,787 posts)
27. That's what I think is most likily. ISIS is attacking pretty much everyone.
Sat Nov 14, 2015, 11:47 AM
Nov 2015

Every country that's been attacked will feel pressure to fight back. Which hopefully isolates ISIS.

global1

(25,251 posts)
35. All Countries Of The World Need To Band Together To.....
Sat Nov 14, 2015, 12:03 PM
Nov 2015

put an end to these radical terrorist groups.
The Saudi's, Jordanian's and basically all the Middle Eastern countries need to also get involved and once and for all make it known that they will not tolerate these terrorist activities.

In the US action needs to be taken to hold the Bush Administration responsible for creating the climate in the world for these terrorists by lying us into a false war for oil; by ignoring the intelligence and letting 9/11 to happen to put their PNAC plan in place to grab world dominance by dismantling the ME.

Perhaps if the people of the ME saw that BushCo would be held accountable and punished they would put down their terrorist ways.

There will always be disagreements among countries - but not such that any of them would want to get involved in a no win WWIII.

All countries however do face the threat of terrorism and have a stake in putting a stop to it.

HereSince1628

(36,063 posts)
40. But, the US is going 'the other way'...TPP is about keeping China out of control
Sat Nov 14, 2015, 12:18 PM
Nov 2015

just read Obama's own words about TPP and 'the pivot to the far east'.

We, and the nations we rally around us are as capable of acting in our own interests, at the costs of other countries, as is ISIS.

There is a problem that emerges from the very foundations of human group behavior.

Banding together just excavates the hole for the next problem. Whatever economic/political/religious beliefs that become dogmatic and a source of power will be protected against change and result in fundamentalist defense.

global1

(25,251 posts)
42. I Just Feel That You Have To Keep Economics/TPP Issues Out Of This Discussion.....
Sat Nov 14, 2015, 12:32 PM
Nov 2015

What needs to be focused on is plain and simple "terrorism". All countries of the world are susceptible to 'terrorism'. That's what needs to be stopped or it will only get worse.

There will always be problems TPP or economic in play. There will always be power plays for one country or another. But 'terrorism' is something that festers and could grow if we let the terrorists think that they can continue to get way with attacks like this one in Paris that generate fear and create a below the surface war on people.

Put a stop to these renegade terrorist groups. That's what needs to be done. We can't let them bully the people of the world like the gangs bully the people of Chicago.

Just like they need to get tough with the gangs and stand up to them - the world needs to stand up to terrorists and take them down.

bluedigger

(17,086 posts)
25. Our best play would be to step aside and let Russia and China move in.
Sat Nov 14, 2015, 11:40 AM
Nov 2015

They are both itching to get back into The Great Game and we should let them scratch that itch. The ME is a poison ivy patch we need to get out of.

RKP5637

(67,109 posts)
29. No, nations today realize the devastating effect of a World War. Yes, there might be
Sat Nov 14, 2015, 11:56 AM
Nov 2015

conflicts, but the world at war, no way. Additionally, we are economically tied together more than WWI and WWII.

peacebird

(14,195 posts)
33. Octafish posted this in another thread: "Money to be made, Peacebird"
Sat Nov 14, 2015, 12:01 PM
Nov 2015

The war against ISIS isn’t going so great, with the self-appointed terror group standing up to a year of U.S. airstrikes in Syria and Iraq.

But that hasn’t kept defense contractors from doing rather well amidst the fighting. Lockheed Martin has received orders for thousands of more Hellfire missiles. AM General is busy supplying Iraq with 160 American-built Humvee vehicles, while General Dynamics is selling the country millions of dollars worth of tank ammunition.

SOS International, a family-owned business whose corporate headquarters are in New York City, is one of the biggest players on the ground in Iraq, employing the most Americans in the country after the U.S. Embassy. On the company’s board of advisors: former Deputy Defense Secretary Paul Wolfowitz—considered to be one of the architects of the invasion of Iraq—and Paul Butler, a former special assistant to Pentagon chief Donald Rumsfeld.

The company, which goes by “SOSi,” says on its website that the contracts it’s been awarded for work in Iraq in 2015 have a total value of more than $400 million. They include a $40 million contract to provide everything from meals to perimeter security to emergency fire and medical services at Iraq’s Besmaya Compound, one of the sites where U.S. troops are training Iraqi soldiers. The Army awarded SOSi a separate $100 million contract in late June for similar services at Camp Taji. The Pentagon expects that contract to last through June 2018.

A year after U.S. airstrikes began targeting the so-called Islamic State in Iraq, there are 3,500 U.S. troops deployed there, training and advising Iraqi troops. But a number that is not discussed is the growing number of contractors required to support these operations. According to the U.S. military, there are 6,300 contractors working in Iraq today, supporting U.S. operations. Separately, the State Department is seeking janitorial services, drivers, linguists, and security contractors to work at its Iraqi facilities.

While these numbers pale in comparison to the more than 163,000 working in Iraq at the peak of the Iraq War, they are steadily growing. And with the fight against ISIS expected to take several years, it also represents a growing opportunity for defense, security, and logistics contractors, especially as work in Afghanistan begins to dry up.

“It allows us to maintain the façade of no boots on the ground while at the same time growing our footprint,” said Laura Dickinson, a law professor at George Washington University whose recent work has focused on regulating private military contractors.

CONTINUED...

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/08/02/the-company-getting-rich-off-of-the-isis-war.html

Has Corporate Owned News broadcast this story: REGULATING Defense Contractors?

Holding these traitors and warmongers who lied America into war on innocent nations would go a long way to restoring Justice and World Peace.

RKP5637

(67,109 posts)
41. Thank you for your reply, peacebird. In WWII many made a fortune off of death, destruction, maiming
Sat Nov 14, 2015, 12:19 PM
Nov 2015

and rebuilding. When one factors in the warmongers and the MIC combined with fanaticism and egos, yes, the picture changes. Maybe it should be called WWIII for $$$$$'s. One F'en little spinning ball of dirt in an unknown universe and humans plot to kill off each other.

HereSince1628

(36,063 posts)
30. Groups in contact mean groups in conflict to one degree or another
Sat Nov 14, 2015, 11:59 AM
Nov 2015

It's pretty much always been that way.

We live in a time unprecedented rapid communications and transportation. That brings groups/cultures into contacts which one or more of the interacting parties finds for various reasons including seeking advantage in controlling the balance of the interactions, threatening.

Islam and christianity are both religions that are evangelical and want to expand by converting non-believers into believers, and at different points in history did violence to make that happen. All the Abrahamic religions believe they've got inside connections to god's will, as well as subgroups that are extremely fundamentalist requiring conservative orthodoxy their defining disciplines. A world full of non-conforming and non-believing is threatening and must be defended against...sometimes with militant fundamentalism.

Outside of religion the west practices an imperialistic form of capitalism that similarly expects conversion, and too frequently submission, of the cultures with which it comes in contact. Our products reflect our values and are pushed into markets where some find them a source of polluting decadence.

Groups with different values and cultures, lead to values and cultural conflicts. Nothing much has changed except the means and extent of our interface, and the capacity of small numbers to cause great disruption and harm

roamer65

(36,745 posts)
37. King Abdullah II of Jordan thinks so.
Sat Nov 14, 2015, 12:09 PM
Nov 2015

I consider him to be a very smart man. Western educated but knows the ME damn well.

I agree with him it is probably the start of a global conflict.

MisterP

(23,730 posts)
43. more like a grinding permanent inkspot war where France, Russia, America, Germany, and Britain
Sat Nov 14, 2015, 03:02 PM
Nov 2015

are always perplexed that nothing, from ground troops to assassinations, is really working; IS waxes and wanes and gets a worse leadership generation; China and Saudi Arabia play coy and sell oil; Turkey, Egypt, and Israel try and play all sides at once; we get disappointed by Rojava and PMOI; India and China poke around in Africa and international waters; planes go down

Cayenne

(480 posts)
46. Kerry tells Russians to stop bombing IS and al Qaeda.
Sun Nov 15, 2015, 01:48 AM
Nov 2015

Last edited Sun Nov 15, 2015, 02:21 AM - Edit history (1)

Does anybody really believe the IS is not the creation of the Sunni axis but of Assad's policies? Is anybody here that stuupid?

[link:http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/11/14/us-france-shooting-syria-idUSKCN0T30Q520151114|

Renew Deal

(81,860 posts)
47. Will we know it when WW3 starts?
Sun Nov 15, 2015, 01:56 AM
Nov 2015

When did people in WW1 and WW2 recognize it? If we are in WW3, when did it start? 1990? 2001? 2014?

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