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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsAre we on the tipping point of WWIII?
What do you think? I can totally see Putin trying to take advantage of this moment, helping his pal Assad crush the opposition, not ISIS. I wonder if China, sensing US weakness, will attempt to display their power.
The old curse- we do live in interesting times.
darkangel218
(13,985 posts)MohRokTah
(15,429 posts)We most certainly are on a collision course with Russia. Kerry at some point is going to tell the Russians to leave and then they will not. Then somebody starts shooting down Russian fighters then this escalates out of control.
MohRokTah
(15,429 posts)No way in HELL are we on a course for WWIII.
It's insane to even contemplate that we are on a course for WWIII
Cayenne
(480 posts)How do you think this Syria will play out that will not start WWIII?
MohRokTah
(15,429 posts)except more bombs will be dropped.
No way in hell does it escalate beyond Syria. Anybody who thinks so should seek professional help
Cayenne
(480 posts)MohRokTah
(15,429 posts)Nobody is going to drop nuclear bombs,...
Unless, of course, Trump get elected, then all bets are off.
Mojorabbit
(16,020 posts)MohRokTah
(15,429 posts)Without nukes, you have no WWIII.
Mojorabbit
(16,020 posts)MohRokTah
(15,429 posts)used.
End of story.
Mojorabbit
(16,020 posts)You can say it as many times as you like but I disagree with you a hundred percent. The danger would be there but it will not necessarily happen.
Fred Sanders
(23,946 posts)not set off a world war why would an attack and mass murders in France do it?
Kind of Weterncentric to say so.
Codeine
(25,586 posts)Charlie Hebdo didn't do it. This won't do it.
What country are we going to fight?
Cayenne
(480 posts)Have you not been paying attention to what is happening in Syria. It is a big chess game to who controls Syria. Kerry is insisting a puppet replace Assad and the Russians are there to protect their long standing ally. At some point soon Kerry is going to go too far and kill some Russians in Syria. How can that not lead to war?
hollysmom
(5,946 posts)Cayenne
(480 posts)China does have an aircraft carrier there. There will be more Chinese coming, probably construction battalions.
snooper2
(30,151 posts)LiberalArkie
(15,716 posts)I never thought this before, but some countries I think do better with a tyrant.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)You know this isn't the 1960's and Syria isn't Vietnam, right?
H2O Man
(73,558 posts)LostOne4Ever
(9,289 posts)[font style="font-family:'Georgia','Baskerville Old Face','Helvetica',fantasy;" size=4 color=teal]Could quite easily turn into a self fulfilling prophesy. [/font]
Logical
(22,457 posts)Cayenne
(480 posts)Anybody thinking using force to remove the Russians from Syria is not going to lead to war is very naive.
Codeine
(25,586 posts)in various shooting wars from Korea on and we never went to war.
peacebird
(14,195 posts)aquiring part of soveriegn nation. We did nothing. He sees us as weak, he will push as far as he can now.
Cayenne
(480 posts)Kerry is, maybe, going to send even more troops into Syria. Possibly Russia puts a bomb on our Special Forces, possibly intentionally. Russia will be putting more troops there, what happens when we put a bomb on them?
hollowdweller
(4,229 posts)JoePhilly
(27,787 posts)Every country that's been attacked will feel pressure to fight back. Which hopefully isolates ISIS.
global1
(25,251 posts)put an end to these radical terrorist groups.
The Saudi's, Jordanian's and basically all the Middle Eastern countries need to also get involved and once and for all make it known that they will not tolerate these terrorist activities.
In the US action needs to be taken to hold the Bush Administration responsible for creating the climate in the world for these terrorists by lying us into a false war for oil; by ignoring the intelligence and letting 9/11 to happen to put their PNAC plan in place to grab world dominance by dismantling the ME.
Perhaps if the people of the ME saw that BushCo would be held accountable and punished they would put down their terrorist ways.
There will always be disagreements among countries - but not such that any of them would want to get involved in a no win WWIII.
All countries however do face the threat of terrorism and have a stake in putting a stop to it.
HereSince1628
(36,063 posts)just read Obama's own words about TPP and 'the pivot to the far east'.
We, and the nations we rally around us are as capable of acting in our own interests, at the costs of other countries, as is ISIS.
There is a problem that emerges from the very foundations of human group behavior.
Banding together just excavates the hole for the next problem. Whatever economic/political/religious beliefs that become dogmatic and a source of power will be protected against change and result in fundamentalist defense.
global1
(25,251 posts)What needs to be focused on is plain and simple "terrorism". All countries of the world are susceptible to 'terrorism'. That's what needs to be stopped or it will only get worse.
There will always be problems TPP or economic in play. There will always be power plays for one country or another. But 'terrorism' is something that festers and could grow if we let the terrorists think that they can continue to get way with attacks like this one in Paris that generate fear and create a below the surface war on people.
Put a stop to these renegade terrorist groups. That's what needs to be done. We can't let them bully the people of the world like the gangs bully the people of Chicago.
Just like they need to get tough with the gangs and stand up to them - the world needs to stand up to terrorists and take them down.
Tierra_y_Libertad
(50,414 posts)bluedigger
(17,086 posts)They are both itching to get back into The Great Game and we should let them scratch that itch. The ME is a poison ivy patch we need to get out of.
cherokeeprogressive
(24,853 posts)yallerdawg
(16,104 posts)as World War III.
Pope Francis calls Paris massacre part of piecemeal Third World War
RKP5637
(67,109 posts)conflicts, but the world at war, no way. Additionally, we are economically tied together more than WWI and WWII.
peacebird
(14,195 posts)The war against ISIS isnt going so great, with the self-appointed terror group standing up to a year of U.S. airstrikes in Syria and Iraq.
But that hasnt kept defense contractors from doing rather well amidst the fighting. Lockheed Martin has received orders for thousands of more Hellfire missiles. AM General is busy supplying Iraq with 160 American-built Humvee vehicles, while General Dynamics is selling the country millions of dollars worth of tank ammunition.
SOS International, a family-owned business whose corporate headquarters are in New York City, is one of the biggest players on the ground in Iraq, employing the most Americans in the country after the U.S. Embassy. On the companys board of advisors: former Deputy Defense Secretary Paul Wolfowitzconsidered to be one of the architects of the invasion of Iraqand Paul Butler, a former special assistant to Pentagon chief Donald Rumsfeld.
The company, which goes by SOSi, says on its website that the contracts its been awarded for work in Iraq in 2015 have a total value of more than $400 million. They include a $40 million contract to provide everything from meals to perimeter security to emergency fire and medical services at Iraqs Besmaya Compound, one of the sites where U.S. troops are training Iraqi soldiers. The Army awarded SOSi a separate $100 million contract in late June for similar services at Camp Taji. The Pentagon expects that contract to last through June 2018.
A year after U.S. airstrikes began targeting the so-called Islamic State in Iraq, there are 3,500 U.S. troops deployed there, training and advising Iraqi troops. But a number that is not discussed is the growing number of contractors required to support these operations. According to the U.S. military, there are 6,300 contractors working in Iraq today, supporting U.S. operations. Separately, the State Department is seeking janitorial services, drivers, linguists, and security contractors to work at its Iraqi facilities.
While these numbers pale in comparison to the more than 163,000 working in Iraq at the peak of the Iraq War, they are steadily growing. And with the fight against ISIS expected to take several years, it also represents a growing opportunity for defense, security, and logistics contractors, especially as work in Afghanistan begins to dry up.
It allows us to maintain the façade of no boots on the ground while at the same time growing our footprint, said Laura Dickinson, a law professor at George Washington University whose recent work has focused on regulating private military contractors.
CONTINUED...
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/08/02/the-company-getting-rich-off-of-the-isis-war.html
Has Corporate Owned News broadcast this story: REGULATING Defense Contractors?
Holding these traitors and warmongers who lied America into war on innocent nations would go a long way to restoring Justice and World Peace.
RKP5637
(67,109 posts)and rebuilding. When one factors in the warmongers and the MIC combined with fanaticism and egos, yes, the picture changes. Maybe it should be called WWIII for $$$$$'s. One F'en little spinning ball of dirt in an unknown universe and humans plot to kill off each other.
HereSince1628
(36,063 posts)It's pretty much always been that way.
We live in a time unprecedented rapid communications and transportation. That brings groups/cultures into contacts which one or more of the interacting parties finds for various reasons including seeking advantage in controlling the balance of the interactions, threatening.
Islam and christianity are both religions that are evangelical and want to expand by converting non-believers into believers, and at different points in history did violence to make that happen. All the Abrahamic religions believe they've got inside connections to god's will, as well as subgroups that are extremely fundamentalist requiring conservative orthodoxy their defining disciplines. A world full of non-conforming and non-believing is threatening and must be defended against...sometimes with militant fundamentalism.
Outside of religion the west practices an imperialistic form of capitalism that similarly expects conversion, and too frequently submission, of the cultures with which it comes in contact. Our products reflect our values and are pushed into markets where some find them a source of polluting decadence.
Groups with different values and cultures, lead to values and cultural conflicts. Nothing much has changed except the means and extent of our interface, and the capacity of small numbers to cause great disruption and harm
roamer65
(36,745 posts)I consider him to be a very smart man. Western educated but knows the ME damn well.
I agree with him it is probably the start of a global conflict.
cap
(7,170 posts)He thinks it has already started....just in a rolling fashion
MisterP
(23,730 posts)are always perplexed that nothing, from ground troops to assassinations, is really working; IS waxes and wanes and gets a worse leadership generation; China and Saudi Arabia play coy and sell oil; Turkey, Egypt, and Israel try and play all sides at once; we get disappointed by Rojava and PMOI; India and China poke around in Africa and international waters; planes go down
Marrah_G
(28,581 posts)Europe, the middle east, parts of Africa, etc.
Cayenne
(480 posts)Last edited Sun Nov 15, 2015, 02:21 AM - Edit history (1)
Does anybody really believe the IS is not the creation of the Sunni axis but of Assad's policies? Is anybody here that stuupid?
[link:http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/11/14/us-france-shooting-syria-idUSKCN0T30Q520151114|
Renew Deal
(81,860 posts)When did people in WW1 and WW2 recognize it? If we are in WW3, when did it start? 1990? 2001? 2014?
Initech
(100,079 posts)AngryAmish
(25,704 posts)Not our fight.