This is not my war, this is not our war. This is your war.
On the terrace of a restaurant, in a bar, on the street, in a concert hall.
Ours.
Died because murderers have decided to strike right in Paris and shoot into the crowd, with the aim of making the most possible victims.
11:30. Sarkozy has just declared: "We are at war."
For once I agree with him. They are at war.
You are at war, you Sarkozy, Hollande, Valls, Cameron, Netanyahu, Obama. You are at war, you and your political allies, you and your friends multinational bosses.
It's not too late. There is still time to move on. Radically.
By refusing the injunction "with us or with the terrorists".
By refusing calls for unity with the torturers and warmongers who build every day a barbaric world.
By denying world based on exploitation, theft, violence, injustice, inequality, the tendering of those who should unite.
Fight for another world that is not only possible but more necessary than ever.
Stay the course and concede nothing under the pressure of emotion or consideration.
You'll be able to tax me naïve if you want. But my idealism has never killed anyone. Unlike your "pragmatism".
It is more than ever time to "resist the irresistible".
So, no, Cambadélis. No, Sarkozy. No, Holland. "We" are not at war.
This is not my war, this is not our war. This is your war.
And once again, these are our dead. As in Madrid in 2004 and London in 2005, as in Egypt there are fifteen days as in Beirut this week.
And like everywhere you sow terror.
Your war, our dead.
Your wars, no more.
translated from french:
http://resisteralairdutemps.blogspot.fr/2015/11/vos-guerres-nos-morts.html
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Address to the Nation on the Invasion of Iraq (January 16, 1991)
George H. W. Bush
Just 2 hours ago, allied air forces began an attack on military targets in Iraq and Kuwait. These attacks continue as I speak. Ground forces are not engaged.
This conflict started August 2d when the dictator of Iraq invaded a small and helpless neighbor. Kuwait—a member of the Arab League and a member of the United Nations—was crushed; its people, brutalized. Five months ago, Saddam Hussein started this cruel war against Kuwait. Tonight, the battle has been joined.
much more at:
http://www.millercenter.org/president/speeches/speech-3428
transcript: President Clinton explains Iraq strike
CLINTON: Good evening.
Earlier today, I ordered America's armed forces to strike military and security targets in Iraq. They are joined by British forces. Their mission is to attack Iraq's nuclear, chemical and biological weapons programs and its military capacity to threaten its neighbors.
much more at:
http://www.cnn.com/ALLPOLITICS/stories/1998/12/16/transcripts/clinton.html
more at:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10026211673
Senate vote on 2002 AUMF at:
https://www.govtrack.us/congress/votes/107-2002/s237
House vote on 2002 AUMF at:
https://www.govtrack.us/congress/bills/107/hjres114
10:16 P.M. EST
THE PRESIDENT: My fellow citizens, at this hour, American and coalition forces are in the early stages of military operations to disarm Iraq, to free its people and to defend the world from grave danger.
On my orders, coalition forces have begun striking selected targets of military importance to undermine Saddam Hussein's ability to wage war. These are opening stages of what will be a broad and concerted campaign. More than 35 countries are giving crucial support -- from the use of naval and air bases, to help with intelligence and logistics, to the deployment of combat units. Every nation in this coalition has chosen to bear the duty and share the honor of serving in our common defense.
more at http://georgewbush-whitehouse.archives.gov/news/releases/2003/03/20030319-17.html
Hello! Anybody from the admin read DU any more?
Is this what you want DU to be? This right wing, hate filled, destructive crap?
1. Nope, it's definitely war.
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Islamic State is the enemy and it must be crushed with global military might.
There is no stopping this. They started it, the rest of the world must finish it as judiciously as possible.
and builds on the point that I was clumsily trying to make. And, yes, I usually try to be rational. Thanks for noticing. 
suggesting it isn't is disingenuous. We started it a long, long time ago. And we are going to keep it alive, and re-gift it to our children.
I want to hear from the family of the security guard who saved a lot of folks by stopping a suicide bomber.
Idiots that say this isn't everyone's problem are dangerous. They get innocent people who may not know better killed.
We can and should respond with our heads, breaking with our long-standing traditions. Doubt that will happen, and you provide me with proof.
Thank you for the support, and the heads-up. Bye.
Hope nobody minds.
No man is an island,
Entire of itself,
Every man is a piece of the continent,
A part of the main.
If a clod be washed away by the sea,
Europe is the less.
As well as if a promontory were.
As well as if a manor of thy friend's
Or of thine own were:
Any man's death diminishes me,
Because I am involved in mankind,
And therefore never send to know for whom the bell tolls;
It tolls for thee.
Tears of sadness for those lost in the horrific attacks in Paris.
The French person who wrote this message is saying that it is not people, not you and I who go to war. It is governments. It is governments who set up the conditions to start wars, governments who try to convince their peoples to go to war, governments who pass laws conscripting our children and grandchildren, governments who pass laws prohibiting free speech against the war.
And in the meantime, we get up in the morning, go to work if we're lucky enough to have a job, and when we are paid we try and make ends meet. That's all most people want - ENOUGH.
Maybe we'd be better off asking ourselves what policies of ours caused the rise of this brand of fanaticism and then change those policies to promote social and economic justice.
Oh, there will be provocations - peace is a very dangerous path. The MIC is mighty, and they will do everything possible to keep peaceful policies from being put in place. This will take the form of setting provocateurs to incite fear and anger, 24/7 media propaganda enlisting the corporate-owned media organs and hate talk radio, and even criminal actions including assault, kidnapping and murder.
It is always about money, right? Profits? Business interests?
But the French writer makes the point that they are few and we the people are many.
So what should France do? What should America do? Russia? The rest of the industrialized nations?
Do you all think those governments are evolved enough to have the political courage to neutralize the international bankers and corporate interests and pursue policies of peace? Policies the ensure social and economic justice? Policies that actually create jobs that provide workers with enough?
Nah. It's far easier to drum up FEAR and RAGE.
No...sadly, 'we' are at war...sadly, many we will be told, have to die...
Sadly, many will die. A few who should, many who should not...