Flashback: American Bigots Didn’t Want To Accept Jewish Refugees Fleeing The Holocaust

[KamaAina]

http://www.occupydemocrats.com/flashback-american-bigots-didnt-want-to-accept-jewish-refugees-fleeing-the-holocaust/

It’s a comforting thought to look at the refugees fleeing ISIS — the same ones to whom Republicans want to deny entry into the United States — and say that we’re better than this, that Americans as a whole will rise up and refuse to be so cold, so heartless. But those of us who are eager to help people in need are truly in the minority, historically speaking.

As World War II approached, Fortune Magazine published the results of a 1938 poll that should serve as a grim reminder that Americans can and will latch on to bigotry in any sense. Today, we pretend that America has always accepted Jewish people. Unfortunately, the poll reveals that the majority — 67 percent — openly rejected taking in Jewish refugees from Germany, Austria, and other countries oppressed by the Nazis “with conditions as they are.” Only 23 percent of Americans, most of whom opposed raising immigration quotas, said that accepting Jewish refugees was a good idea.

2016 Republican presidential hopeful Chris Christie’s opinion that we should not even accept Muslim “5-year-old orphans” is one that should stay buried in our shameful past — but a January 1939 poll heartbreakingly reveals that Americans even opposed taking care of Jewish children.

In September, the Washington Post’s Ishaan Tharoor reminded us that the bigotry espoused by the Right and the hatred they level at Muslim refugees is exactly like the anti-Semitism of the 1930’s:

[LittleBlue]

1. One, the Jews never suicide bombed Paris

If they had, they would have been denied entry.

Two, unlike the Jews, Syrians are perfectly safe in Turkey. There is no suggestion that Turkey is killing Syrians. The vast majority are economic migrants, not refugees.

[KamaAina]

2. Neither did the Syrians

The Syrian passport found next to one of the bombers has been exposed as a fake.

And I've heard that up to half of Syria is displaced. You want Turkey to take them all?

[LittleBlue]

4. Wrong. The passport was acquired on the Syrian Turkey border

How do you know the bomber wasn't Syrian? Nobody has said that, just that the passport is a fraud.

Regardless, he used the open door immigration policy of Europe to enter. Which is exactly what people have been warning about for months.

And thirdly, you're accepting that most immigrants aren't eligible for asylum, they're economic migrants, not refugees.

[KamaAina]

6. German official says Syrian passport may have been used as a false flag to stir fear of refugees.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10027354511

Looks like people are taking the bait.

[LittleBlue]

7. "May have been"

Great speculation if you've been a proponent of immigration that allowed terrorists to get into Europe.

Where is the positive ID of the bomber? They don't have one. This is cya.

[LanternWaste]

21. You continue to move the goalposts from your initial premise... you seem adept at it.

You continue to move the goalposts from your initial premise... you seem adept at it.

[jeff47]

3. And Syrian refugees never suicide bombed Paris either.

All of the attackers were French or Belgian. They Syrian passport was a forgery.

Two, you seem to think Turkey has infinite resources and infinite jobs.

[LittleBlue]

5. Link?

See post 4

[jeff47]

8. :facepalm:

http://thinkprogress.org/world/2015/11/16/3722838/all-paris-attackers-identified-so-far-are-european-nationals-according-to-top-eu-official/

Details about the attackers, their identities, and the forged passport:
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-34832512

Guess what? He wasn't Syrian.

But please, continue the unhinged xenophobia. It's quite becoming.

[LittleBlue]

9. Your link refuted you

Right near the first paragraph it says two are unidentified. It's disingenuous to suggest the bombers were identified when two clearly have not been.

The Paris prosecutor's office said fingerprints from the dead attacker matched those of a person who came to Europe with migrants via the Greek island of Leros. The man may have been posing as a Syrian refugee

Did they steal fingerprints too?

[jeff47]

10. Read up a bit higher, where an identical passport with a different picture has been found.

Kinda demonstrates it isn't a valid passport.

Now, where's your links proving the attackers were Syrian refugees, including positive identification of them as Syrian?

[LittleBlue]

11. Yeah, passport fraud

Could just as easily be someone on a watch list who needed a fake identify to infiltrate Europe. Doesn't mean they weren't Syrian. The false flag theory has been jumped upon with no evidence in an attempt to defend crazy immigration policies.

Can you explain how they found fingerprints? Those were stolen too? Very difficult to fake fingerprints.

[jeff47]

12. Still waiting for your link positively identifying them as Syrian.

Can you explain how they found fingerprints?

He passed through a refugee camp in Greece. Did you know you can pass through a refugee camp in Greece without being Syrian?

So where's those links positively identifying the attackers as Syrian refugees?

[LittleBlue]

13. I have fingerprint evidence.

That's very strong evidence. Man who got off immigrant boat has the same fingerprints as the attacker. That's pretty damned good proof that either the man was Syrian, or he faked being Syrian and took advantage of weak European policies to gain entry.


From your own link :

The Paris prosecutor's office said fingerprints from the dead attacker matched those of a person who came to Europe with migrants via the Greek island of Leros. The man may have been posing as a Syrian refugee.

Explain that. Fake fingerprint?

[jeff47]

14. No, you don't. Because those fingerprints don't prove he was Syrian.

They only prove he went to a refugee camp. Did you know they'll let just anyone into refugee camps?! Shocking!!!

[LittleBlue]

15. My point is, it doesn't matter

Doesn't matter whether the man was Syrian or some other Arab nationality. No matter where he is originally from, he gained access to Europe when he shouldn't have been able to. Even if he was French, Western countries have reentry laws that he would have had to face but for the poorly conceived immigration policies. Those who criticize this policy are saying it's being used to to get Isis members into Europe, not a debate over the legitimacy of a passport.

That's my point.

[jeff47]

16. If it didn't matter, you wouldn't have started with the claim that Syrians attacked Paris.

Yet you did.

Even if he was French, Western countries have reentry laws that he would have had to face but for the poorly conceived immigration policies

Uh...the majority of the attackers were French and Belgian. No icky immigrants required. Though that does cut into the xenophobia angle, so I can see why you'd skip that detail.

Oh, still waiting on those links positively identifying attackers as Syrian.

[LittleBlue]

17. Read again. I purposefully avoided mention of their nationality because we don't yet know

I challenge you to find in this thread where I said the attackers are Syrian. However, the OP mentions Jews. Who aren't a nationality. So I made a parallel between Jews and Arab Muslims migrants.

If Jews had attacked Paris, any Jews, from any country, they would have been completely denied entry.

[jeff47]

20. "The Jews never suicide bombed Paris" in a thread about Syrian refugees.

In other words, the very first post you made in this thread claimed that the attackers were Syrian refugees.

If you don't want to be called on your xenophobia, stop posting xenophobia.

[LittleBlue]

22. Not really. My argument is that letting in Jews

Didn't put any country at risk. There were no Jewish Isis infiltators, nor any sympathetic to it. That isn't true for Muslims or Syrians.

It isn't the people that is the problem. It's the awful process that allows people inside without being vetted.

[jeff47]

24. So there's a magic vetting fairy?

In case you didn't know, Syria doesn't exactly have a functioning government at the moment. And ISIS doesn't ship the US government a roster.

So how, exactly, would this vetting occur to your satisfaction?

Then there's the absolute horrors of those people having their own enclaves.

I understand. You're utterly terrified of those foreigners. They might taint your precious bodily fluids. And OH MY GOD THERE'S ONE RIGHT BEHIND YOU!!!!!

[LittleBlue]

26. No, you need a better process than

"Anyone who washes up on our shores gets a de facto free travel visa in the Schengen Zone"

That is insane, which is exactly why Hollande locked the borders hours after the attacks. Their intelligence services knew right away the threat posed by this crazy policy. With European leaders, look at what they do, not what they say.

As to enclaves, I think it's a bad idea. They will integrate faster if they aren't insular. We don't need Little Syrias. The best would be to place them in areas where 2nd and 3rd generation Muslims can help them adjust.

[EndElectoral]

18. Is your argument that Jewish refugees in WW2 should've been denied because one may have been a Nazi?

I realize it is possible one of these refugees may or may not have been an attacker. My question is does this mean none of the refugees are worthy of asylum since they may potentially be an attacker?

Trying to grasp your logic here. Of course appropriate screening is needed, but it seems your suggesting that since one of these refugees may have been an attacker, we can't accept anybody.

Using you premise that it is contingent on attacks, since the Nazis had attacked Poland, and a host of countries, might it have been possible that one might be disguised as a Jew to infiltrate the USA among the Jewish refugees accepted?

What I'm saying is if there are thousands upon thousands of legitimate refugees, if one person is really disguising themself as a refugee to launch an attack, does this mean the rest of the refugees are prohibited from potentially entering?

[LittleBlue]

19. Huh?

How many Nazi Jews blew themselves up in Paris?

Answer: zero! We knew they weren't Nazis and hated the Nazis. The real Syrian immigrants probably hate Isis. It's the few sympathizers and money people are worried about.

[EndElectoral]

25. You're missing the point. Could a person disguished as a Jew enter the country as a refugee in WW2

btw..some Jews were torn between fighting for their country in WW2 and their Judaism

http://www.jewishmag.com/158mag/hitler_jewish_soldiers/hitler_jewish_soldiers.htm

[EndElectoral]

28. Yes, the alleged few sympathisizers, but should this deny entry for the thousands of real refugees?

[LanternWaste]

23. I'll never doubt the ability of idiots to seek and find a way to justify their bigotry.

I'll never doubt the ability of idiots to seek and find a way to justify their bigotry. Today's DU... heck, responses in this very thread reinforced that.

[Runningdawg]

27. Nobody wanted

the "boat people" from Saigon either. But Ft Smith AR got a lot. They bitched and screamed and whined and moaned. Yet if it weren't for those people, today Ft Smith would be a ghost town.

[EndElectoral]

29. Exactly. I'm sure someone suggested one of them may have been a Viet Cong terrorist.

[jberryhill]

30. "today Ft Smith would be a ghost town"

That's not unique to Fort Smith, either.