Occupy London nails it: "Why the threat of ISIS pretending to be refugees is a fantasy"

[Turborama]

Last edited Wed Nov 18, 2015, 01:54 AM - Edit history (1)

https://www.facebook.com/permalink.php?story_fbid=764643193640784&id=124563204315456

Also, there's this:

Islamic State has frequently said one of its goals is to stop refugees from fleeing Syria by any means possible, and tells refugees they are committing "a major dangerous sin" by attempting to flee the war and entering countries where they will be assimilated or integrated into "Christianity, atheism or liberalism."

http://montreal.ctvnews.ca/police-believe-attackers-used-forged-passports-to-stigmatize-refugees-1.2662167

[Oldtimeralso]

1. Great Find

It sure makes a lot of sense to me!

[nolabear]

2. And guess what passport the NYT just reported is a fake.

Yep, THAT one. So much for those dangerous refugees.

[First Speaker]

3. I would probably try to do both...

...it seems foolish to me not to at least consider the possibility that ISIS aren't idiots, and are at least considering infiltrating some of their people among the refugees. Yes, it would be time-consuming and roundabout, but they don't strike me as people in a hurry. They don't think like people in the West do, or even like the majority of Middle Easterners do. They think like the Nazis or the Khymer Rouge did--lunatics.

[Donald Ian Rankin]

4. Occupy London engage in stupid wishful thinking.

Rather than speculating, here are ISIS answering the question in their own words: http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/555434/Islamic-State-ISIS-Smuggler-THOUSANDS-Extremists-into-Europe-Refugees

[Jesus Malverde]

13. +1..nt

[ohnoyoudidnt]

15. An ISIS operative said it so it must be true.

Or it's propaganda that furthers their goal of stopping refugees from fleeing.

[underahedgerow]

16. Right, because they're always telling the truth.

They would never lie and be talking out their collective daesh asses because they're in an absolute panic. Their 'masterminds' are being picked off collectively and one by one. The heads of this snake are being handily sliced off.

Their own internal chaos is bubbling up into panic mode as there are now struggles for leadership. Idiots don't do well without a clear leader.

What they don't know is that they have been infiltrated by people on the ground. They have their own traitors to worry about now. Kaboom.

[Warren DeMontague]

5. I'm not sure "Occupy London" is the go-to group for these kinds of intelligence assessments.

Playing Devil's Advocate here--- look at it this way:

do you

a) go to all the trouble to concoct an elaborate and expensive cover story for each individual involved and still risk being busted because of the relatively high-profile nature of your entrance into the country,

or

b) do you blend in anonymously with a large group of people whose individual backgrounds are only being briefly and perfunctorily checked, at best?

To add, if the attackers manage to make Europeans suspicious of refugees, isn't that in line with trying to stop them from fleeing? And wouldn't one real good way to make Europeans suspicious of refugees be to blend in with them and use their cover as a point from which to attack?

[Yorktown]

6. An ISIS operative is on record saying they infiltrated 4000 members among the refugees

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10027356728


And it's a threat they started making in February.

Not too sure Occupy London knows what they're talking about.

[Turborama]

7. Treat your source with caution. The Express is a British newspaper version of Faux news

Plus, they are virulently anti immigration and always print scaremongering stories about refugees.

Here's just one example: http://i100.independent.co.uk/article/the-daily-express-has-attacked-migrants-again-and-is-wrong-again--W1K5uXXrXg

And another: http://jondanzig.blogspot.co.uk/2015/10/another-daily-express-lie.html

And some more:

[Yorktown]

12. I initially read it in a French source

I just used that one because it was in English

[Turborama]

14. What's the French source?

[Yorktown]

17. Forgot. Here one French article about a Daesh base in Europe.

And Ouest France is rather center left

http://www.sudouest.fr/2015/07/23/terrorisme-daesh-a-investi-en-secret-un-village-europeen-2076966-6093.php

Edit:

my source could have been France-Israel which does quote from the Daily Express

http://www.europe-israel.org/2015/09/il-y-a-des-cellules-dormantes-de-letat-islamique-ei-en-europe/

[oberliner]

8. Most ISIS supporters are not rich

In fact, most of them are extremely poor and are even sometimes drawn to ISIS in their belief that it will lead to a better life.

[The2ndWheel]

9. There are 7 billion people on this planet

I read about a guy that taped 50 turtles to his body to try to smuggle them into Canada. It was at least the second time he tried to smuggle turtles.

If there's no way a terrorist organization would try option A, B, C, D, E, F, G, etc, to do what they do, then you live in a very simplistic reality.

[Hortensis]

10. And THIS is a main reason terrorism does not make

good excuses for abandoning people in trouble. Another good reason is that not helping people in trouble breeds terrorism.

[The2ndWheel]

11. The world is also finite

At least it is when we talk about climate change. Some parts of climate change anyway. We'll say the planet is finite, but then want limitless renewable energy.

If there was an easy answer to any of it, we would do that. Even Europe is having issues though, and they're far more enlightened than America.