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1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
Wed Nov 18, 2015, 07:45 AM Nov 2015

I keep hearing that President Obama is failing to communicate his strategy for dealing ...

with ISIS. The cry is coming from the right, a few on the left, the pundit class ... each using their very own retired General/military strategist.

I keep asking (myself),"Who exactly is President Obama supposed to be communicating his strategy to/with? And, how?"

The complaint makes no sense to me because, in my limited experience, the most effective strategy is the strategy that no one can see through.

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I keep hearing that President Obama is failing to communicate his strategy for dealing ... (Original Post) 1StrongBlackMan Nov 2015 OP
My husband and I were discussing this msrizzo Nov 2015 #1
No issue with discussing strategic goals SickOfTheOnePct Nov 2015 #2
I think his comments that ISIS was contained on the heels of their Jesus Malverde Nov 2015 #3
I put that to inartful phrasing ... 1StrongBlackMan Nov 2015 #6
What Obama can't say is that the first goal is to topple Assad GreatGazoo Nov 2015 #4
The right will always find President Obama to be wrong in some way treestar Nov 2015 #5

msrizzo

(796 posts)
1. My husband and I were discussing this
Wed Nov 18, 2015, 08:31 AM
Nov 2015

My husband suggested that it is because of Bush/Cheney/Rumsfeld manipulation during the Iraq war, embedding media and leaking to them that the media now thinks that if nobody tells them the strategy, then there is none. Never mind that what they were hearing from that administration was all shock and awe lies, never mind that everyone knows it was bullshit......it still seems to be the standard that they are demanding from Obama.

Jesus Malverde

(10,274 posts)
3. I think his comments that ISIS was contained on the heels of their
Wed Nov 18, 2015, 08:42 AM
Nov 2015

Bombing in turkey

The bombing of the Russian passenger plane

Bombing in Lebanon

Right before

The multiple massacres in Paris

Leads some to wonder if he's getting the best advice.

 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
6. I put that to inartful phrasing ...
Wed Nov 18, 2015, 10:57 AM
Nov 2015

I suspect what President Obama was saying is, ISIS, the fighting force in Iraq and Syria, is contained.

GreatGazoo

(3,937 posts)
4. What Obama can't say is that the first goal is to topple Assad
Wed Nov 18, 2015, 08:57 AM
Nov 2015

ISIS is a proxy for the Saudis who also want Assad out and want a counter force against Shiite militias backed by Iran and the new government of Iraq.

ISIS was going to be the excuse for the US to re-enter Iraq and invade Syria, topple Assad and install a more Saudi-friendly government but the Russians are spoiling that.

The US media spins fairytales and sticks to a certain narrative no matter what the actual events are. They almost never make a distinction between Sunni and Shiite. They use vague language and euphemisms like "boots on the ground" and "gulf states" (meaning: Saudi Arabia and Qatar) and then claim Obama is the one being vague.

treestar

(82,383 posts)
5. The right will always find President Obama to be wrong in some way
Wed Nov 18, 2015, 08:59 AM
Nov 2015

no matter what he does. And they always want a war.

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