This is why they hate us:

[kpete]

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WEDNESDAY, NOV 18, 2015 03:00 AM PST
This is why they hate us: The real American history neither Ted Cruz nor the New York Times will tell you
We talk democracy, then overthrow elected governments and prop up awful regimes. Let's discuss the actual history
BEN NORTON

THESE GUYS


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AND THIS:


A tank in the streets of Tehran during the 1953 CIA-backed coup
Iran was once a secular democracy. You would not know this from contemporary discussions of the much demonized country in U.S. politics and media.

What happen to Iran’s democracy? The U.S. overthrew it in 1953, with the help of the U.K. Why? For oil.

In Operation Ajax, the CIA, working with its British equivalent MI6, carried out a coup, overthrowing the elected government of Iran and reinstalling the monarchy. The shah would remain a faithful Western ally until 1979, when the monarchy was abolished in the Iranian Revolution.



AND THIS:


A CIA cable documenting Guatemalan dictator Castillo Armas’ plan to overthrow the elected government (Credit: CIA FOIA)

Less than a year after overthrowing Iran’s first democratically elected prime minister, the U.S. pursued a similar regime change policy in Guatemala, toppling the elected leader Jacobo Árbenz.
Less than a year after overthrowing Iran’s first democratically elected prime minister, the U.S. pursued a similar regime change policy in Guatemala, toppling the elected leader Jacobo Árbenz.



AND THIS:


Pinochet’s soldiers burning left-wing books after the 1973 U.S.-backed coup in Chile

September 11 has permanently seared itself into the memory of Americans. The date has also been indelibly imprinted in the public consciousness of Chileans, because it was on this same day in 1973 that the U.S. backed a coup that violently overthrew Chile’s democracy.


AND THIS GUY AGAIN:

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AND MORE RECENTLY THIS:

Protesters in the August 2013 Raba’a massacre, carried out by Sisi’s U.S.-backed coup


These are just a small sample of the great many regime changes the U.S. government has been involved in. More recent examples, which were supported by Hillary Clinton, as Sanders implied, include the U.S. government’s overthrow of Saddam Hussein in Iraq and Muammar Qadhafi in Libya. In these cases, the U.S. was overthrowing dictators, not democratically elected leaders — but, as Sanders pointed out, the results of these regime changes have been nothing short of catastrophic.

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MUCH, MUCH MORE:
http://www.salon.com/2015/11/18/this_is_why_they_hate_us_the_real_american_history_neither_ted_cruz_nor_the_new_york_times_will_tell_you/?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=socialflow
http://www.commondreams.org/news/2015/11/17/despite-atrocities-us-approves-129-billion-deal-re-arm-saudi-arabia
http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2012/09/21/why-do-they-hate-us-its-a-pretty-long-list/
http://townhall.com/columnists/michaelbrown/2013/04/22/why-do-radical-muslims-hate-us-n1574973/page/full
http://revista.drclas.harvard.edu/book/united-states-interventions
http://knowmore.washingtonpost.com/2014/02/11/half-a-century-of-u-s-interventions-in-latin-america-in-one-map/
https://www.jacobinmag.com/2015/09/latin-america-wikileaks-hugo-chavez-rafael-correa-obama-venezuela-intervention/

[Fred Sanders]

1. What Sanders said about America being responsible for the regime change refugees, directly due

to it's regime change imperialism of the past, is true....which is why the country took a collective gasp.

10,000 refugees coming to America is totally inadequate.....Canada is taking 25,000 before New Year! How much regime change has Canada been responsible for?

The best response to the terrorists and their terrorist deceptions and propaganda would be to not live in fear and at least triple the number of Syrian refugees, thereby denying the terrorists any victory.

[geardaddy]

5. Yes, we need to take in more than 10,000

[Fred Sanders]

12. Indeed...almost an embarrassing low number for such a rich and diverse nation...too bad about

all the obstructionist racists/politicians getting their pathetic hatespeech treated with less than disdain.

[whathehell]

81. BS -- We aleady have over 10 million undocumented immigrants from Mexico & Central America

Is Europe willing to take any of them?

[MynameisBlarney]

13. 10,000

That's hardly even a drop in the bucket!

[geardaddy]

14. I know, right?

SMDH

[Fantastic Anarchist]

8. I wish I could recommend your post.

Greatly said.

[navarth]

2. HELL YES I'm kicking this

Preach it brother!!!

[2naSalit]

3. K&R for the truth!

[LiberalArkie]

4. K&R

[AnarchoDeJesus]

6. So TRUE

it hurts.

[patsimp]

7. to be fair

Anwar Sadat was assassinated when he tried to make peace brokered by America (through President Carter).

you are right - Reagan, bush senior, bush junior and all their junta have been monsters and worse.

But, I do not believe that what we are seeing today would never occur even if everyone bent over backwards to islamists.

[truebluegreen]

10. To be fair, you need to ask

where those jihadists came from and why. It wouldn't tell the whole story, but the first example given in the OP is an excellent place to start. Let it be noted, that was Likeable Ike, not the Reagan/Bush cabal.

[hifiguy]

44. They come from a background that goes far further back

than American meddling in the ME. The real beginning was probably the emergence of the triple-distilled batshitery of Wahhabism back in the 1700s, with the modern additions springing from the 1920s founding of the muslim brotherhood in Egypt, the emergence of the the viciously reactionary and fundamentalist "philosopher" Sayyid Qutb (executed by Egypt's Gamal Abdal Nasser, who was no tool of the West, rest assured) and the KSA's relentless spread of Wahhabism throughout the region.

There is no "one cause."

[Blus4u]

66. Perhaps the crusades didn't help either.

I don't disagree at all with the OP, or yours either.

Daniel Yergin's "The Prize" is a great read about the history of oil and details the jockeying that went on in the Middle East. Our CIA did more than their share of mucking things up over there.

Peace

[A Simple Game]

72. Our CIA does more than their share of mucking things up everywhere.

If we had no CIA we probably wouldn't need a CIA.

[truebluegreen]

85. I know that, hifiguy.

I was responding to the previous poster's more short-term view.

Batshitery has been around forever, there and everywhere else including here. The real question is how did the batshitery become mainstream, how and why did it gain legitimacy, who supports it, and for what reasons?

I think it is fair to point to the ouster of Mossadegh as a turning point in the ME. With it, and by installing and propping up the Shah, we proved to all and sundry that our fine talk about spreading democracy was just that, talk. We could not be trusted, just like the British Empire before us. I read a while back an article from a Muslim scholar who attributed the radicalization of Islam as a culture to this incident (just looked for the link, couldn't find it).

At the same time, the autocratic governments of the region got a present: an external scapegoat to blame everything on, and deflect the dissatisfaction of their citizens. So they fund the madrassahs, and send money to the Osamas, arm themselves to the teeth and allow the steaming kettles of popular rage to vent in another, more convenient direction.

Win-win for the radicals: legitimate grievances and money.

[KingCharlemagne]

45. carter's National Security Advisor, Zbigniew Brzezinski, set the stage

for Reagan in Central Asia and has even boasted about so doing. American imperialism has been a largely bipartisan affair. Do I need to mention Indonesia?

[hifiguy]

47. It has, and I think you mean Indochina.

[KingCharlemagne]

53. Indochina AND Indonesia, both thoroughly

bi-partisan abominations.

The former, now known as Vietnam, hardly needs explication. In the cas of the latter, carter's administration sent military aid to the repressive military regime there, one of the few blots on Carter's record, imo.

Carter also allowed the repressive Pahlavi thugs of Iran entry into the U.S., another stain on his legacy, but one that arguably cost him re-election in 1980.

[hifiguy]

56. And it was War Criminal Henry Kissinger

and David Rockefeller who leaned very heavily on Carter to admit the Shitweasel Shah, for reasons very much their own.

See https://www.press.umich.edu/pdf/0472108670-04.pdf at page 2 and passim.

[bearssoapbox]

9. But...But...We're EXCEPTIONAL!

We know what's best for EVERYBODY! (especially those that don't look or believe as we do)

Because...

Jeebus...

[Enthusiast]

46. You win the thread!

[Logical]

11. Watering our lawns with drinking water and refrigerated pet food is enough. Nt

[Buzz Clik]

17. I don't think that's part of the equation.

[jonno99]

31. Or it could be because we are targets of opportunity. There have been more than a few wars fought:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barbary_pirates

[heaven05]

33. it is

for the really informed with few blind spots.

[Buzz Clik]

35. Oh, my! I do love a pointed insult.

[Warren DeMontague]

68. You mean like how Saudi Arabia has water parks and malls, and Dubai has an indoor ski arena?

Whatever these ISIS guys' "concerns" are, envirommentalism isnt one of them.

[WHEN CRABS ROAR]

70. Not yet. n/t

[raouldukelives]

15. And let us also be clear why this was done.

It wasn't done for America or Americans. It wasn't done to keep us safe. It wasn't done to spread democracy, in fact, quite the opposite. As it always turns out to be, it was done for Wall St. It was done for each individual investor who backed and assisted multi-national corporations in bribing and thwarting the will of the people for their own personal short tern gain.

Actions have consequences. These are the consequences of backing those who care only for wealth. Not for liberty, not for honesty, not for justice, not for peace and certainly not for democracy. Just money and more of it. Damn the consequences and damn the dead.

Some even still have the nerve to call themselves liberals. Like a member of PETA with shares of Hormel or an abolitionist slave owner, they do all they can to further the horror privately while publicly trumpeting against such evils.

It only ends when they decide to start taking the one life they have seriously and stop laying waste to the lives of others.

[Dustlawyer]

34. BP wanted to continue to get Iranian oil dirt cheap and Iran's Prime Minister was threatening to

nationalize their oil fields and charge the going rates for oil on the world market. BP went crying to their government who then went to us because of our new CIA and because we were also getting the cheap Iranian oil. CIA spent $200,000 to overthrow the Iranian government and had the Prime Minister hanged after a quick show trial. We installed the "Shah of Iran" in power because he would do what we wanted. He had a small amount of royal blood from the historical Shah's of the distant past as his excuse to retain power. we gave the Shah the military weapons to terrorize his population and eliminate threats to his rule. He killed tens of thousands of his own people, University professors, teachers, politicians from the previous government... with his Secret Police. That is why they hated America so much, because they knew what we did to them. When the Revolution happened, we were told that it was because they were a whole nation of crazy people, religious fanatics! Average Americans had no idea why they hated us and most still don't know.

[hifiguy]

42. Yep. The Brits were the instigators of that entire clusterfuck.

Allen Dulles and the CIA jumped in because a coup would have less effect on the flow of oil; the Brits would have sent their Army if they had been given the opportuity to do so.

Different tactics, same disastrous results.

[Enthusiast]

51. + one to the max!

Everything those evil fucks have done has come back to haunt us.

Stop laying waste to the lives of others! It would make a good slogan. Maybe we could fit it on a coin instead of In God We Trust, which doesn't seem to be working out so good .

[Smarmie Doofus]

16. This is my assumption, but the media and the gov't....

.... and certain pols are relentless in their insistence that it's primarily about religion.

Why don't we ask them ( the Jihadis)? May or may not get a helpful response but at least we'd have something to work with.

[hifiguy]

43. Religion plays a significant part,

but the root causes are multitudinous. Some ancient, some old, some recent.

[valerief]

18. Oil is empire. nt

[swilton]

19. The list is endless sad to say

[kairos12]

20. Exactly. The book "The Looming Tower" speaks to much of this.

[blackspade]

21. K&R!

Isn't history amazing illuminating!?

[elmac]

22. "the results of these regime changes have been nothing short of catastrophic."

so very true, nothing good ever comes from sticking our noses into other countries governance.

[niyad]

23. k and r and bookmarking

[Buzz Clik]

24. Keep in mind that this had been going on long before Reagan took office.

These conflicts pre-date the founding of our country (roughly since 1400 BC), and we have been diddling in the Middle East for a long time:

1801 -- Jefferson commits the US to the Barbary Wars
1904 -- Teddy Roosevelt has his Perdicaris affair centered in Morocco
1923 -- Harding sends a "private citizen" to fix the economic problems in Persia
1946 -- Truman endorses partition of Palestine and creation of a Jewish state.
1953 -- We toss out the Iranian prime minister and replace him with an authoritarian shah

And it goes on and on and on. We make the same mistake over and over -- Democrats and Republican alike.

[Rex]

25. Reagan helped destroy a somewhat secular society and so did Bush Jr.

I don't know which Dems did anything like that. I know Carter, Clinton and Obama have not/did not do that. JFK? LBJ? Someone will come along with who did what I am sure.

[Buzz Clik]

26. No Reagan fan here, and Bush 43 ... yeesh!! But...

This was on Carter's watch:

[Rex]

27. Oh believe me, I thought Clinton starving Iraq to death was a very horrible thing to do.

He should have reversed Bush Sr. policies imo. But I just meant a Dem killing off a dictator and leaving the nation in worse shape...as hard as that is to believe. You would think killing off a dictator would be a good thing...hard to believe it can make things worse.

[Buzz Clik]

28. Ok. We'll give the Republican presidents an F and the Dems a D-.

[Rex]

29. That works.

Only imo because Obama has worked very hard with Cuba and Iran to bring peace overtures. I don't think the GOP is capable of diplomacy.

[bvar22]

37. The destruction of the most advanced country in North Africa,

with the highest Standard of Living and many freedoms for Women
WAS Obama's decision, assisted by Sec of State Hillary Clinton.
They turned this country into a failed state that has reimposed Sharia Law.

MAJOR DISASTER on Obama's watch.

” For all his dictatorial megalomania, Gaddafi is a committed pan-African - a fierce defender of African unity. Libya was not in debt to international bankers. It did not borrow cash from the International Monetary Fund for any "structural adjustment". It used oil money for social services - including the Great Man Made River project, and investment/aid to sub-Saharan countries. Its independent central bank was not manipulated by the Western financial system. All in all a very bad example for the developing world.”

http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Middle_East/MD27Ak01.html

[Enthusiast]

52. +1!

[hifiguy]

67. +2

Another fuckup of disastrous proportions on HRH's "stellar" resume.

[Rex]

71. Ah Libya, I knew someone would come along and fill me in.

Yeah that was another WTH moment...didn't we JUST fuck up the ME by killing off Saddam? We never learn.

[BeyondGeography]

30. I arrived in France for a four-year student hitch when Carter was President

and I made many Persian and Arab friends and acquaintances. Most of them were strongly anti-American. None of them gave a fig whether a Republican or a Democrat was President. In their version of history (and they do process current events in historical terms, at least the guys I knew 35 years ago did), it doesn't matter who our President is.

Shortly after I got there, btw, our embassy in Teheran was occupied. Carter was still President.

[RobinA]

36. Why?

Why were they strongly anti-America, and were they similarly anti-European? Was it at least partly our backing of Israel and/or the Shah? I ask in all seriousness. I can get the embassy and all the PLO actions back then more than I can understand the current goings on.

[BeyondGeography]

38. Israel and everything we've done to keep the oil flowing our way

Which includes paying off the most corrupt elements of their region, starting with the hated House of Saud. Those are the upfront reasons. But those are almost too easy. The people I knew were almost always super-smart, quick on their feet, but their countries have very often been pawns of the West. It's deeply humiliating and, in their eyes (often not unreasonable IMO) unfair. They don't only need an explanation (we're evil; and we are often enough for that theme to have plenty of legs) for that, they need the kind of consolation that moral superiority can offer. And where the facts don't fit the narrative, they are most creative conspiracy theorists on earth.

But then there's the, how shall I put it, lifestyle thing, which were my first thoughts post-Paris. The attacks were on a Friday and they targeted beautiful young people, basically on date night. That's not an accident. The empowerment of women in our societies and their own often violent misogyny is a huge part of their anti-West/U.S. feelings. In the 80s, I remember walking past an attractive woman in the kind of revealing warm-weather clothing we take for granted with a Syrian friend (who went on to be a banker) and he said if that woman got raped right here in public right now it would be what she deserves. The more I got to know some of them the less guilty I felt, to be honest.

We are guilty of perceived moral inferiority and actual real-world superiority and it's a very bitter pill. I don't have any real bright ideas as to the solution, other than the passage of centuries and the accompanying economic and social progress that will hopefully come with it. I do know this is much bigger than whether the Red Team or the Blue Team is running the show here. Where I agree with the OP is the more we confront them directly the more violence we can expect.

[Ex Lurker]

39. Very perceptive. Thank you NT.

[hifiguy]

49. You have cut through tne nonsense

and beautifully, with this:

But then there's the, how shall I put it, lifestyle thing, which were my first thoughts post-Paris. The attacks were on a Friday and they targeted beautiful young people, basically on date night. That's not an accident. The empowerment of women in our societies and their own often violent misogyny is a huge part of their anti-West/U.S. feelings. In the 80s, I remember walking past an attractive woman in the kind of revealing warm-weather clothing we take for granted with a Syrian friend (who went on to be a banker) and he said if that woman got raped right here in public right now it would be what she deserves. The more I got to know some of them the less guilty I felt, to be honest.

We are guilty of perceived moral inferiority and actual real-world superiority and it's a very bitter pill. I don't have any real bright ideas as to the solution, other than the passage of centuries and the accompanying economic and social progress that will hopefully come with it. I do know this is much bigger than whether the Red Team or the Blue Team is running the show here. Where I agree with the OP is the more we confront them directly the more violence we can expect.

And you are brave to post this given the tenor of so much of the discussion here on DU. This IS a profound clash of modern and medieval cultures as well as many other things.

[Whiskeytide]

50. Your post illustrates quite clearly...

... why its is accurate to say that the turmoil of the Middle East is the result of the actions and conduct - the interference - of "the West" for 65-70 years --- they resent us because we have (directly or by enabling others) used, killed and oppressed them, ...

... AND it is just as accurate to say that the problems in the Middle East result from the attitudes and twisted views - perhaps based upon someone's interpretation of religious dogma - many of the people have toward civil rights, women, gays and "others" generally. --- they hate us because we do not share - or at least respect - their world view and religious commitment.

I don't understand the apparent insistence - even here on DU - that it HAS to be ONLY one or the other. Some cluster fucks have more than one cause. One this big is sure to have many.

[hifiguy]

57. The proximate causes of the complete disaster

that is the modern ME are legion. You are right and anyone with an ounce of brains should be able to understand that.

[Whiskeytide]

58. Damn, Hi...

... you just ruled out virtually all republican politicians!

[hifiguy]

59. That is just collateral damage.

It's the simpleminded either/or dualism I see here on DU that drives me nuts.

[Whiskeytide]

61. Human nature, I think ...

We all have pet issues that drive our world view. Mine is corporate malfeasance. If you give a few minutes, I can usually trace any problem back to some boardroom somewhere.

But I think MOST DUers are smarter than the average Internet user, and understand the complexity of issues. Don't let the knee jerked noise get you down. Trust the silent majority.

[BeyondGeography]

60. Spot on

At some point in life, you realize some problems are going to outlive you and you were silly for ever thinking otherwise. This is definitely one.

[grossproffit]

82. Ah, the old Israel excuse.

[Chitown Kev]

63. The Ayatollah Khomeni would have also

been in Paris right before that.

[heaven05]

32. yep

this is why, along with much, much more.

[kpete]

41. much much more is right

peace to you and all of us,
kp

[hifiguy]

40. That is definitely a part of it.

They also hate everything about western civilization simply because it exists, and more or less averything about the last 1200 years except for the weapons, explosives and vehicles.

Lots of proximate causes are in play.

[monicaangela]

48. Wow Kpete!! Excellent post

However it goes back even further than that, as a matter of fact, since the invasion of this nation by those that were running from persecution in Europe, religious, economic and other, this nation has been a disastrous hotbed of thievery, first in this nation, and now it has spilled over into the rest of the world. When will we get a leader that will begin to reverse the horrible manner in which this country has been lead up to now? I wonder...

[doc03]

54. The attacks on westerners by Islamic radicals date back hundreds of years

before Reagan or Bush. Not saying they aren't part of it but this has been going on for centuries.

[LiberalLovinLug]

55. Imagine all the people...living lives in peace..

Can you imagine what the world COULD look like today if Britain and the US could have just left Iran the f#%# alone? A secular democracy in the heart of the ME. Exactly what they crowed about in 2003 for Iraq. And in Iraq, who evolved into at least an advanced secular society, may just not have "needed" such a ruthless leader if they did not have an angry dictatorial theocratic Iran to their north.
So the West then sold weapons and chemical WMD to Saddam to take care of Iran. When that didn't work the US eventually found an excuse to take out Saddam in Iraq, taking out a million innocents, and installed a Shia biased ruler, which led to the now radicalized Sunni population and ISIS.

Then you could imagine South and Central America if we had simply allowed political progress to happen. From Honduras and Guatemala, to Chile and even Venezuela today with a covert ongoing campaign to foment unrest to destabilize their elected government.

Do as we say, not as we do. In America today, a Democratic Socialist, who has very similar goals to all of those SA leaders is accepted as a legitimate Presidential candidate....at least by most, even if support is a little tepid in the MSM. Yet another country dare to elect someone who listens to its people before they listen to the IMF or WTO or the American capitalist hegemony they will be the target of covert war, and if that fails, overt war.

[JI7]

62. why who hates us ?

[NYCButterfinger]

64. And this is why people are saying that progressives are

appeasers. Recognize the enemy=terrorists. You can't play nice with ISIS.

[kpete]

84. the refugees are NOT our enemies

they are OUR fellow humans fleeing terrorists


we all want
PEACE,
kp

[B2G]

65. Why do they hate France?

[hifiguy]

69. Liberté, egalité, fraternité,

the French zest for love and life, wine, food, women (and men), and song, its deep and profound tradition of secularism. The list of what fundy islam -or any fundy religion for that matter – can find to hate about France is endless.

And check out BeyondGeography's post upthread at #38.

[JanMichael]

75. Well to a point yes but France wasn't exactly happy clappy nice in Algeria...

...or other countries including Vietnam and oh I forget several others.

Algerian results of French colonialism:

Death toll[edit]

While it is difficult to enumerate the war's casualties, the FLN (National Liberation Front) estimated in 1964 that nearly eight years of revolution effected 1.5 million deaths from war-related causes. Some other French and Algerian sources later put the figure at approximately 960,000 dead, while French officials estimated it at 350,000. French military authorities listed their losses at nearly 25,600 dead (6,000 from non-combat-related causes) and 65,000 wounded. European-descended civilian casualties exceeded 10,000 (including 3,000 dead) in 42,000 recorded violent incidents. According to French official figures during the war, the army, security forces and militias killed 141,000 presumed rebel combatants.[61] But it is still unclear whether this includes some civilians.

More than 12,000 Algerians died in internal FLN purges during the war. In France, an additional 5,000 died in the "café wars" between the FLN and rival Algerian groups. French sources also estimated that 70,000 Muslim civilians were killed or abducted and presumed killed, by the FLN.[61]

Historians, like Alistair Horne and Raymond Aron, state that the actual number of Algerian Muslim war dead was far greater than the original FLN and official French estimates, but was fewer than the 1 million deaths claimed by the Algerian government after independence. Horne estimated Algerian casualties during the span of eight years to be around 700,000. Uncounted thousands of Muslim civilians lost their lives in French Army ratissages, bombing raids, or vigilante reprisals. The war uprooted more than 2 million Algerians, who were forced to relocate in French camps or to flee into the Algerian hinterland, where many thousands died of starvation, disease, and exposure. In addition, large numbers of pro-French Muslims were murdered when the FLN settled accounts after independence,[62] with 30,000 to 150,000 killed in Algeria in post-war reprisals.[61]

[Blue_Tires]

73. LOL... How in fuck's name is el-Sisi a "U.S.-backed coup"

When DU was screaming up and down about Morsi being a "U.S. installed puppet?"

Y'all need to make up your minds...

And if you're going back that far you should at least mention Hawaii and the Philippines... Of course if you did that you'd see just how many world powers have "regime change" skeletons in their closet...

[LiberalElite]

74. Kick! nt

[Duval]

76. A treasure trove of info.

Thanks, again, kpete. I will be reading your links tomorrow!!

[BlueStateLib]

77. It started in the 1950's with Sayyid Qutb

Sayyid Qutb, depicted as the founder of modern Islamist thinking, visiting the U.S. to learn about its education system, then becoming disgusted at what he judged as the corruption of morals and virtues in western society through individualism. When he returns to Egypt, he is disturbed by westernisation under Gamal Abdel Nasser and becomes convinced that in order to save his own society, it must be completely restructured along the lines of Islamic law while still

The Egyptian bureaucrat is considered the most influential thinker of fundamentalist Islam, the brains of the Muslim Brotherhood, the harshest critic of the West and the most effective advocate of a pan-Islam revival. And he settled into his career as an implacable foe of the U.S. during his now-infamous six-month stay in Greeley in 1949

Sayyid Qutb brother Muhammad Qutb was osama bin laden teacher and mentor. Osama bin Laden recommends to Muslims the book "Concepts that Should be Corrected by Sheikh Muhammad Qutb," in a 2004 videotape.

Powerful 3 part BBC series
"The Power of Nightmares"
https://archive.org/details/ThePowerOfNightmares-Episode1BabyItsColdOutside

[Mika]

78. Don't forget the Honduras coup. One of Hillary's projects. eom

[sabrina 1]

79. And Hillary will continue those awful tragic policies. THIS is why we need Bernie Sanders right now.

HE got it RIGHT and had we had enough courageous members of Congress to back him up, PARIS would not have happened, nor any of the other horrible tragedies, Syria, Libya, and everywhere else the Cheney/PNAC policies have taken this country.

[ericson00]

80. I'm sorry, but this goes too far.

I don't like Republicans. I think the idea that a fetus or embryo is a living person is rednecking thinking at best. As are ideas like:sex should wait before marriage, or that gays are Satan's making, or that tax cuts for the rich are good.

But no, there comes a point where not everything bad in the world is either Republicans' fault, America as a global actors fault, or both. That's why liberals get caricatured so badly.

[RoccoR5955]

83. You got dat right!

And it is never talked about in the US media!