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Logical

(22,457 posts)
Wed Nov 18, 2015, 01:17 PM Nov 2015

Get ready for congress to stop apps that encrypt messages......

That do not have a back door to allow the government to read them with a warrant.

This shit is coming.

"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."

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Get ready for congress to stop apps that encrypt messages...... (Original Post) Logical Nov 2015 OP
Good luck with that, Congress. longship Nov 2015 #1
Good info, thanks! Nt Logical Nov 2015 #2
I am a big fan of opensource software PowerToThePeople Nov 2015 #3
Do you mean other than that the source code is available for peer review by anybody? longship Nov 2015 #5
That does not mean PowerToThePeople Nov 2015 #6
Absolute tosh. longship Nov 2015 #7
I do not. PowerToThePeople Nov 2015 #8
Back doors hidden in openly published source code? longship Nov 2015 #9
Plus, banks, on whose livelihood depends secure encryption, would allow such a thing? longship Nov 2015 #10
I have used open source PowerToThePeople Nov 2015 #11
Less likely? No, impossible in practice. longship Nov 2015 #15
Terrific, concise answer! Orrex Nov 2015 #4
Whether it's passed by Congress or not hifiguy Nov 2015 #12
VPN will be illegal, soon. dixiegrrrrl Nov 2015 #13
Of course it will. hifiguy Nov 2015 #14

longship

(40,416 posts)
1. Good luck with that, Congress.
Wed Nov 18, 2015, 01:20 PM
Nov 2015

They will not be able to touch PGP, Pretty Good Privacy. No back doors there. Open source prevents secret back doors.

Congress is on a fool's errand.

Plus, the banks would never, ever go for it.

 

PowerToThePeople

(9,610 posts)
3. I am a big fan of opensource software
Wed Nov 18, 2015, 01:26 PM
Nov 2015

But your statement is untrue. There is nothing special about opensource that prevents back doors in the software.

longship

(40,416 posts)
5. Do you mean other than that the source code is available for peer review by anybody?
Wed Nov 18, 2015, 02:13 PM
Nov 2015

Nope. I stand by my post. No back doors without anybody knowing it.

Sorry.

 

PowerToThePeople

(9,610 posts)
6. That does not mean
Wed Nov 18, 2015, 02:19 PM
Nov 2015

That does not mean a back door will be discovered prior the the use of the infected code.

Your statement is still wrong.

longship

(40,416 posts)
9. Back doors hidden in openly published source code?
Wed Nov 18, 2015, 02:35 PM
Nov 2015

Good luck with that.

I suppose it's all a grand conspiracy. Eh?

Or maybe it is just a characteristic of open software that nobody can sneak in a back door without the hundreds of contributors to find it.

Again, I stand firm on my posts here.

My best to you.

longship

(40,416 posts)
10. Plus, banks, on whose livelihood depends secure encryption, would allow such a thing?
Wed Nov 18, 2015, 03:09 PM
Nov 2015

That is dreaming to think they would allow it. No financial institution would allow a back door for encryption code.

That's why many of them use open source software.

 

PowerToThePeople

(9,610 posts)
11. I have used open source
Wed Nov 18, 2015, 03:15 PM
Nov 2015

As my primary operating system since '98.

I am a huge fan and try to make converts every chance I get.

Mostly, I use Debian (because it fits my political ideals well) with a mix of Ubuntu spins for ease of setup and lower maintenance time input.

I agree with it being less likely to get back doors over a closed system, but not immune.

Didn't truecrypt have some big issues in the recent past?

longship

(40,416 posts)
15. Less likely? No, impossible in practice.
Wed Nov 18, 2015, 07:19 PM
Nov 2015

With a public code base where modifications are reviewed by developers before submissions are accepted, no back door will ever get into the code. Open source does not mean just anything gets in. Especially with security code like encryption there will be a jaundiced eye pointed at any submitted modification for such a thing. The main developers will all know the basic mathematical principles on which the encryption is based. Even the RSA trapdoor algorithm is in the public domain. It is pretty simple, actually. But even knowing the equations does not help one crack the code. Hence, trap door.

And again, the banks, whose livelihood depends on secure transactions, will not allow such a law to pass. (That is one good thing about the big banks these days -- maybe the only thing.)

My best to you, my friend.

 

hifiguy

(33,688 posts)
12. Whether it's passed by Congress or not
Wed Nov 18, 2015, 03:54 PM
Nov 2015

it s certain to come. The MIIC respects no law and does as it pleases. Has it EVER been held accountable for anything?

Yes, it's openly fascism now.

dixiegrrrrl

(60,010 posts)
13. VPN will be illegal, soon.
Wed Nov 18, 2015, 05:14 PM
Nov 2015

There has been a strong push in many countries, under the guise of copyright and torrent piracy, to force ISPs into revealing customer downloads.
Britain has just passed a law requiring ISPs to keep all customer info. for 12 months, including data logs.
TPP is gonna make this worse.

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