A DUer just sent this to me - Dear is a Christian terrorist

[malaise]

http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/planned-parenthood-shooting-suspect-made-comment-about-no-more-baby-n470706?cid=sm_tw&hootPostID=955a227a0068143a01a28b70da350b60
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In one statement, made after the suspect was taken in for questioning, Dear said "no more baby parts" in reference to Planned Parenthood, according to two law enforcement sources with knowledge of the case.


But the sources stressed that Dear said many things to law enforcement and the extent to which the "baby parts" remark played into any decision to target the Planned Parenthood office was not yet clear. He also mentioned President Barack Obama in statements.

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Spin away M$Greedia

[ScreamingMeemie]

1. I'm shocked...

[malaise]

3. And so say all of us

We knew

[annabanana]

2. no.. really?

[TexasProgresive]

4. Nothing in the article you linked

about him being a Christian.

Not defending him just would like a little clarity.

[Rex]

6. True however that statement would be expected by a fundamentalist would it not?

In what other context could that saying have any meaning?

[TexasProgresive]

7. You ever hear the saying about assume

"When you ASSUME means that you make an ass out of you and me."

Let's try for some facts and then maybe we will know the truth.

[malaise]

8. Not in this instance

Every abortion clinic and PP attack was carried out by a radical Christian terrorist

[Rex]

11. Such a strange anti-democratic trait imo. I guess some just don't like to think about things unless

they know it is a 'sure' thing. Oh well, the reply I got back answers the question fully.

[Nay]

13. Yeah, who attacks abortion clinics? Who kills abortion doctors? Who

pickets abortion clinics? Who rails against abortion on thousands of radio and TV broadcasts?

It's not the PTA doing this stuff.

[ScreamingMeemie]

15. Every single one of the protests at the PP right down the street from me has been a

"prayer meeting..." The PP facebook pages are loaded with "prayer events" in front of PP clinics.

[Rex]

18. I hope they keep it to just 'prayer events' and not 'carry butane tanks into PP to blow it up' event

But I am somewhat doubtful and am now afraid of copycats.

[malaise]

16. Apparently the PTA can't be ruled out yet

[Rex]

9. Who cares if I speculate about world events? Why is it important not to talk about it?

So that would be a 'no comment'. Fine. You wait while the rest of us talk about it and speculate.

[muriel_volestrangler]

20. He did have a cross on the outside of his cabin in North Carolina

Dear’s cabin was a half-mile up a curvy dirt road about 15 miles west of Asheville. A cross made of twigs was nailed to the wall of the pale yellow shack on Saturday.

http://wfla.com/2015/11/28/police-id-colorado-clinic-gunman-as-robert-lewis-dear/

[TexasProgresive]

22. OK, that's a fact

That wasn't in the OP article.

[hifiguy]

5. Everyone who is surprised by this stand on your head...

[nadinbrzezinski]

10. Do point to me the fundamentalist CHRISTIAN in that story

I just read it.

I am sorry, but I will stick to the facts and not add to the wild speculation.

[Rex]

14. At least you admit it is a fundamentalist, some here won't even go that far.

Like pulling teeth.

[nadinbrzezinski]

19. Actually I have learned over the years of actually

doing news, that many a times early speculation can be, waaaayyyy off the mark.

I do not rely on DU for news at all... now for speculation, by all means. Hell the same can be said about oh Facebook, Discussionist, or any other social media platform.

I do not know if this guy is a fundamentalist, or a christian. Given his target there is a real chance of that. Given what is emerging from reporting. yup... there is that chance. Will I wait to reach that conclusion until quite a bit more comes out... yup.

So far I know this guy did not like abortion providers and his quote seems to point to exposure to RW media sources, not necessarily a church... check (statement by unarmed law enforcement sources regarding baby parts. That was more the tack the RW media bubble took... and not necessarily a church)

Or Obama... check. (Statement from a neighbor, the only one they have been able to dig out. He was given an anti Obama pamphlet the neighbor used to start a fire)

And that he lived in a very small home in the woods... in a place where if you want to hide from everybody else you can. So he is a loner, check.

The pattern is starting to build. But we have information so far that matches a lot of other things as well... This includes the aforementioned lone wolf crazy... which we are having a lot of lone wolves, alas stochastic terrorism is effective and real.

Now so far none has been able to present what, or if he went to church. Whether there were copies of bibles anywhere where he lived, or his vehicle, or a manifesto... so it is what it is. These would point to the religious bent in a clear way. Nor have we seen copies or online presence in a certain number of lovely places I tend to read after incidents like this one.

As I said, while you got a pattern, I will WAIT until a lot more emerges. It is not my area so I will have to rely on somebody else's reporting though. But what appears many a times to be the case, is speculation.

[Rex]

23. I can understand that from your point of view and job.

That is the thing about being out in the peanut gallery, we get to speculate about all sorts of stuff. You on the other hand have to report objectivly. This guy was so off the grid it seems there is not much known about him.

I am betting he is part of the Sovereign Citizen movement.

[nadinbrzezinski]

24. Alas I have gone to a certain series of message boards

where there is a certain level of approval to what he did. These are the kinds of sites that one needs a shower after the fact

Your nose is likely more accurate from some of those sites by the way... or that they approve... than the religious nut.

Nope, ain't gonna link to those places from here... even when relevant to the discussion.

What I will say is that enough information is emerging where the term terrorism is starting to fit the mold.

[Rex]

29. Keep us informed nadin.

Yeah I know you are talking about sites like Stormfront and worse (yes folks there are worse sites).

[LiberalArkie]

26. And it could be that him or a friend had a girl friend that had "His baby" aborted.

Or his "Fox news voices in his head" told him to. We in the U.S. have had really very few "political" type multiple mass killings by Americans in the years since OKC compared to the Europeans. Just luck I think. However I feel that we are winning in the shootings by those that would be in the mental hospitals in Europe but are free to do what they want in the U.S.

Why Planned Parenthood? I think that for some of the mentally ill men, the hate that is spewed out on Fox and on hate radio, makes the viewers feel alive, energized rather than just sitting around in a fog.

As someone whose young adult schizophrenia & Bi-polar is creeping back into my life in my senior years, I know that the TV can play a part of it. Me, being a lefty liberal, the news makes me want to pull on a Bernie t-shirt and go out and protest. And I really feel it. So I would expect almost the exact opposite reaction from someone on the right.

[nadinbrzezinski]

30. Stochastic Terrorism is not something you will hear much

but I believe it is real. How pervasive is a good question... but it exists.

[malaise]

17. OK n/t

[muriel_volestrangler]

21. A cross on the outside of his cabin - see #20 (nt)

[B2G]

28. About that cross

Are we sure that's what it is? It's rather lopsided and why is there a different color of paint underneath it?

He hasn't lived there for over a year. Do we know that's what it is and that he put it there?

[muriel_volestrangler]

31. His ex-wife says "he believed wholeheartedly in the Bible"

Robert Dear the son was raised in the Baptist church, Ross said. He was religious but not a regular churchgoer and not one to harp on his faith.

“He believed wholeheartedly in the Bible. That’s what he always said, he read it cover to cover to cover,” she told the Times. But he wasn’t fixated on it. He was generally conservative but not obsessed with politics. He kept guns for protection and hunting. He believed that abortion was wrong, but it was not something he spoke about compulsively. “It was never really a topic of discussion,” Ross told the Times.

http://www.postandcourier.com/article/20151128/PC1603/151129356

There's every reason to believe he was Christian.

[B2G]

32. I'm not saying he wasn't

I just think the cross looks odd.

[muriel_volestrangler]

33. Yeah, I'm just giving alternative evidence for him being a Christian

which is was was questioned in the sub-thread.

[climber3986]

12. Time charge James O Keefe with inspiring terrorism? nt

[SickOfTheOnePct]

27. Is there such a legal charge? n/t

[greytdemocrat]

25. What a nut.

Too chicken to end his own like
and save the state some money.