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Source: Los Angeles Times
Thousands of patients in California and across the nation who take expensive prescription drugs every month for cancer, rheumatoid arthritis and other ailments are facing sticker shock at the pharmacy.
Until recently, most of these patients typically paid modest co-pays for the advanced drugs. But increasingly, Anthem Blue Cross, Aetna and other insurers are shifting more prescriptions to a new category requiring patients to shoulder a larger share of the drug's cost.
The result: Pharmacy bills are going up by hundreds of dollars a month on top of insurance premiums.
Robert Gomer, who owns an interior plant business in Rancho Mirage, saw his cost for three HIV drugs soar to $450 a month on a new Anthem Blue Cross plan this year from $80 a month on a previous plan.
Read more: http://www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-expensive-drugs-20120529,0,2965274.story
Egalitarian Thug
(12,448 posts)Oh wait a minute...
K&R
How uniquely American.
SammyWinstonJack
(44,130 posts)at providing health care coverage than the government.
Yep, uniquely American.
Aren't ya proud?
BlueIris
(29,135 posts)You mean, insurance companies don't care if patients can pay for meds? Shock. ing.
oldernwiser
(52 posts)(sorry for the book, but this NEVER gets said)
We like to bash insurance companies, mostly I think because they happen to be the last point of contact in the financial chain between us and our medical suppliers.
Read down a bit in the LA Times article and you see this:
Robert Galle, Aetna's head of pharmacy benefit management operations, said his company is responding to employers' concerns about escalating costs from these specialty drugs. "As new drugs are brought to the market, we are generally adding them to these tiers," he said.
Here's the deal - a company negotiates coverage for it's employees and establishes a fair plan with a reasonable price tag. If a larger than usual number of employees develop cancer/HIV/long term illnesses etc, then the pool of available funds (as dictated by the premiums contributed) quickly evaporates due to the costs associated with treatment. A tier 4 (the highest rating) medication for HIV switches from a simple co-pay to a percentage - typically 25 - 30% depending on the plan, but could be more. Assuming that Mr Gomer is being covered under a group plan and only paying for 25% of his medication, his non-insured cost of medication would be $1800 per month ($21.6k annually). If the average employee within his company pays $160 per month for single coverage, it would take almost 11 other healthy employees who never use their coverage to carry Mr Gomer's full medication cost - not accounting for administration fees. This also doesn't take into account Mr Gomer's doctor/hospital visits, labs, etc.
Is this the insurance company's fault? Health insurance companies are simply agents who pay a share of our medical costs from a pool of our own money which we contribute to their administration. They are forbidden by state law to make a profit at our expense, although they are allowed a small percentage for administrative costs (payroll, advertising, etc) - and even this is scrutinized by our state's insurance commissioner. If the costs for our medical coverage increases, there are only a few options available to an insurer - they can either try to find more healthy individuals to augment the pool or they can increase our premiums or they can find a reasonable way to keep our premiums steady yet push more of the burden onto those who use the resources.
Now this statement bears closer scrutiny:
Lawmakers in more than 20 states have introduced similar measures to limit bills for expensive medications. In 2010, New York banned four-tier and higher pharmacy plans.
Based on the fact that insurance isn't free money and Mr Gomer's out of pocket expense for his 3 medications without insurance would be $21.6k annually, who would pay for the other $15650 he needs for treatments? Any way you look at this, he still needs 11 healthy co-contributors who never use their insurance to cover JUST his medication costs - quite a few more to cover his other medical expenses.
I know how unpopular it is to even suggest that pharmaceutical companies do something to reduce their profit margins - it's akin to asking Chevron to stop charging us so much at the pump. However, the only way to reduce the amount of our medical costs is to chase down the providers and demand lower prices. Insurance companies do their best using collective bargaining to limit the costs of doctor and hospital visits, but they can do nothing about the costs of the medications we're being prescribed - especially when those costs spiral ever upward.
Finally, the article never mentions the particular drugs which were prescribed to Mr Gomer or even if they were the same drugs prescribed on both plans. It is quite possible that his doctor caved in to the pharmaceutical company reps and prescribed the much more expensive name brand drugs rather than to try to control his condition with generics - which would rate in a lower tier.
LiberalAndProud
(12,799 posts)http://blogs.plos.org/workinprogress/2011/04/20/a-secret-revealed-why-drugs-cost-what-they-do/
Drugs cost what the market will bear. Its that simple. Drug prices are set at whatever the market will bear.
So what does that mean? It means that if no one purchased a drug that cost $X, then the price would be lowered. Prices are set at exactlyand I mean exactlyat what the consumer/insurance infrastructure is able to carry.
It would be wrong to say that the prices reflect what we are willing to pay because for the most part, we dont pay the price tag; we pay for our insurance and then the co-pay amount for a given prescription. Of course this insight is referring to prescription drugs. When it comes to, say, headache medicine on the drugstore shelves, then the price more closely reflects what the customer is willing to pay, the economic counterpart to what the market will bear. But once we get into the domain of prescriptions, prices are guided by the market.
As simple as that explanation is, the calculations behind the price are complicated. They factor in how many people will buy a drug, how many of those people are likely to be privately insured, how many are likely to have Medicare or Medicaid, how many will have no insurance at all, for how long will a given patient be on the drug (on average), how much it costs to make the drug (yes, this does matter), and even whats at stake (is the drug treating a life-or-death condition, or is it treating something more mild?).
Egalitarian Thug
(12,448 posts)and allowing a cartel to control its distribution you ensure that the price of everything goes and remains as high as possible. It is the opposite of the traditional model. The insurance industry owns the medical industry and it has been enabled to take over the industry by extorting as much as possible for decades from a captive market.
Look at it this way: Mr. Gomer is ill and therefore there is nothing more valuable to Mr. Gomer than the drugs that allow him keep living. As you point out, there is no way that Mr. Gomer can pay the $21K for his pills, but the only reason the pills would cost him $21K is because the insurance companies will pay $21K. If Everybody with Mr. Gomer's illness had to pay $21K, most of them would die and the market for the drug disappears. So sans insurance companies skewing the numbers, the drug company has to lower the price of their drug to a point that most of the Mr. and Ms. Gomers can afford it. In the end, the $21K drug ends up @ about $1K per year.
The mess that is our health care system is the direct result of "our" government allowing the insurance industry to take over the whole system.
oldernwiser
(52 posts)The issue here isn't that the insurance company wants to pay exorbitant prices for certain drugs. In point of fact, the article states that the exact opposite is true - the insurance company is deferring some of the cost back to the consumer due to the limited resources in the insurance pool.
The prices reflected in pharmaceuticals have no bearing on the insurance industry and vice versa. As I said above, insurance is non-profit by law and only administers the cash WE place in the pool. There is no incentive for an insurance company to inflate prices or to lobby for higher drug costs. In fact, the higher the costs for medical care, the more we have to pay for premiums which eventually forces people with lower wages out of the insurance market completely. This would mean less cashflow to the insurers for administration which would kill jobs in that sector and even higher premium costs for those who could afford them which completes the vicious circle.
Supply and demand does indeed dictate the pharmaceutical company's prices along with the cost of manufacturing and FDA approval. But, there's more to it than that. Supply and demand also dictates the costs of the premiums we pay for insurance. If there's a finite amount of cash on hand to pay for our medical expenses (the supply in this case) and an increased demand for the available cash, the insurance companies have no other choice but to either stop paying for certain treatments (or certain individuals) or to raise the prices we pay.
The only evidence for collusion - if you want to call it that - is that some of pharmaceutical companies have begun to offer reduced prices to consumers who can't afford their offerings. That's nice, but as in the case of public hospitals who have to take patients regardless of their financial ability, those who CAN pay (private individuals and insurance companies alike) will also pay their share.
By the way - I didn't ignore market principles. They simply didn't apply to the argument that the insurance companies were to blame for the crisis we're in. I am stating that I don't agree that the insurance companies are the responsible party in the extortion you mentioned. They are simply the middlemen in a much larger problem.
Also, to correct your closing statement, our health care system is in the mess it's in because we want to treat it as an industry and apply free market principles as if people's lives and well-being were a commodity. I do take issue with your statement that the health insurance industry has taken over anything (other than other insurance companies) - and would be delighted if you could show proof. Our government HAS taken the stand that employers are now required to provide employees with insurance options. Beyond that, government's role in insurance is only regulatory.
Egalitarian Thug
(12,448 posts)the insurance industry works and what it has done to health care in this nation, I would be happy to point you toward the dozens of books, thousands of papers, essays, etc., and the tens of thousands of court cases that lay it out to any who care to look, but you've clearly shown where you are coming from in this thread.
TheKentuckian
(25,026 posts)attempt a generic if possible, then the plan preferred brand(s), and then the non-preferred formulary brand(s), then they sometimes can have a non-formulary med after failing trials of the lower tiered drugs but far from always because often these specialty medications are either excluded or have a sole preferred medication and if you have an adverse reaction to it then your luck has run out unless you can mount and win an appeal.
I'd also mention that the anti-kick back laws have become tougher over the years to the point where I'd say the reps don't dominate what is prescribed anywhere near the way plan structure does. A doctor may prescribe whatever but if the plan won't cover it or the patient can't afford the rate then the script gets changed.
The game is far more centered on getting on preferred lists now. No question your point is a factor at times but I don't see it as a principle price driver. I'd say that patent law is a bigger fish to fry, producers are given too many ways to keep their drugs out of generic status by making slight changes in inert ingredients or even sillier modifications in delivery devices, especially since we have recently made it even easier in order to "protect intellectual property".
Most people will never use a biotech drug so the issues aren't easily identifiable for most folks.
oldernwiser
(52 posts)As long as patent laws are held intact, and it would be a far reach to think that intellectual property is different for pharmaceuticals than for recording artists, high prices for newer medications will be the rule and not the exception.
Which opens up yet another can of worms. We are paying ever increasing amounts of money in the form of insurance premiums which are only barely keeping up with the actual costs of medical care. Now think about ACA. How does the federal government remain solvent and provide health insurance to the vast amount of people with poor health that would otherwise be denied coverage? To me, it's a lose-lose. ACA is a bandaid fix which hardly even covers the wound.