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Recursion

(56,582 posts)
Tue Dec 1, 2015, 05:21 AM Dec 2015

Short DeBeers right now: scientists make diamonds at room temperature

http://phys.org/news/2015-11-phase-carbon-diamond-room-temperature.html

Also, the idea of a carbon configuration being ferromagnetic is actually more interesting than cheap diamonds...

Researchers from North Carolina State University have discovered a new phase of solid carbon, called Q-carbon, which is distinct from the known phases of graphite and diamond. They have also developed a technique for using Q-carbon to make diamond-related structures at room temperature and at ambient atmospheric pressure in air.

Phases are distinct forms of the same material. Graphite is one of the solid phases of carbon; diamond is another.

"We've now created a third solid phase of carbon," says Jay Narayan, the John C. Fan Distinguished Chair Professor of Materials Science and Engineering at NC State and lead author of three papers describing the work. "The only place it may be found in the natural world would be possibly in the core of some planets."

Q-carbon has some unusual characteristics. For one thing, it is ferromagnetic – which other solid forms of carbon are not.

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Short DeBeers right now: scientists make diamonds at room temperature (Original Post) Recursion Dec 2015 OP
And there are also lots of uses for diamonds beyond just jewelry, of course. Warren DeMontague Dec 2015 #1
Sci-fi is full of energy and data crystals. Spitfire of ATJ Dec 2015 #2
DeBeers is keeping diamond-supplies from the open-market to keep prices high. DetlefK Dec 2015 #3
Yeah, I worked with industrial diamonds in grad school Recursion Dec 2015 #9
I agree, ferromagnetic carbon is very interesting. nt bemildred Dec 2015 #4
Really, really, *really* interesting Recursion Dec 2015 #16
It's lightwieght, and cheap, really cheap. bemildred Dec 2015 #18
hmm GummyBearz Dec 2015 #19
A non-conductive inductor? Recursion Dec 2015 #20
Not for my applications GummyBearz Dec 2015 #21
they aren't worth what you think anyway greymattermom Dec 2015 #5
I've bought industrial diamonds before; they're crazy cheap Recursion Dec 2015 #8
Also from an aesthetic standpoint I find them kind of boring. I much prefer rubies. Recursion Dec 2015 #10
These diamonds won't quenched in the blood and sorrow of slave laborers, though Orrex Dec 2015 #6
The 80% of them they sit on in Gambian warehouses is more the issue Recursion Dec 2015 #7
I know---actually, I thought that everyone knew, but you make a good point Orrex Dec 2015 #14
Speculation Half-Century Man Dec 2015 #11
I still haven't read the paper but there are some intriguing ideas there Recursion Dec 2015 #13
Article mentions low level energy causes glowing of synthetic carbon material Half-Century Man Dec 2015 #17
ferromagnetic carbon. That is interesting. Thanks for sharing (nt) paleotn Dec 2015 #12
Yeah, I think that's ultimately the bigger story than diamonds Recursion Dec 2015 #15

DetlefK

(16,423 posts)
3. DeBeers is keeping diamond-supplies from the open-market to keep prices high.
Tue Dec 1, 2015, 07:18 AM
Dec 2015

Btw, have you heard of "chocolate-diamonds"? They contain so many impurities that they are brown.

Most naturally occuring diamonds are actually brown diamonds. If you buy a diamond-tipped tool, that was made with brown diamonds. But DeBeers sells them as some kind of special novelty.

Recursion

(56,582 posts)
9. Yeah, I worked with industrial diamonds in grad school
Tue Dec 1, 2015, 08:22 AM
Dec 2015

The entire supply chain is completely different. Even for ones without impurities (we were doing electromagnetic stuff so we needed no trace metals) you can get them cheaply from an "industrial" bourse rather than a jewelry bourse.

Recursion

(56,582 posts)
16. Really, really, *really* interesting
Tue Dec 1, 2015, 08:31 AM
Dec 2015

If we could have an entirely carbon inductor, that opens up a lot of possibilities.

bemildred

(90,061 posts)
18. It's lightwieght, and cheap, really cheap.
Tue Dec 1, 2015, 10:29 AM
Dec 2015

They are already using carbon fibers for superconduction, if you can use some such things to make coils and the like, it would be hard to predict what might be done ...



There is still some magic left in the world to discover.

 

GummyBearz

(2,931 posts)
19. hmm
Tue Dec 1, 2015, 11:03 AM
Dec 2015

What type of possibilities? I work in high tech electronics, I've seen/heard some results of carbon nanotube inductors (which would be an all carbon inductor). Though the inductance values are obviously very small.

Is there an application in another area where all carbon electromagnets would be a huge break through?

Recursion

(56,582 posts)
20. A non-conductive inductor?
Tue Dec 1, 2015, 12:32 PM
Dec 2015

Yes, think about that for a second and I think you'll see why that would be huge.

 

GummyBearz

(2,931 posts)
21. Not for my applications
Tue Dec 1, 2015, 12:45 PM
Dec 2015

open circuits aren't really a good thing for me...

Which is why I was asking about different areas where they may be useful

greymattermom

(5,754 posts)
5. they aren't worth what you think anyway
Tue Dec 1, 2015, 07:34 AM
Dec 2015

A store will see you a diamond for 10,000, but try to sell it back to them and it's only worth around 2,000. The real value is much lower than you think.

Recursion

(56,582 posts)
8. I've bought industrial diamonds before; they're crazy cheap
Tue Dec 1, 2015, 08:21 AM
Dec 2015

The diamond bourses actually have an entirely different supply chain, without the output restrictions, for them. Diamonds aren't actually very rare; they're basically a different kind of coal.

Recursion

(56,582 posts)
10. Also from an aesthetic standpoint I find them kind of boring. I much prefer rubies.
Tue Dec 1, 2015, 08:23 AM
Dec 2015

I like a stone with some color in it.

Orrex

(63,216 posts)
6. These diamonds won't quenched in the blood and sorrow of slave laborers, though
Tue Dec 1, 2015, 08:17 AM
Dec 2015

And, really, isn't that what makes the cartels' diamonds so precious?

Recursion

(56,582 posts)
7. The 80% of them they sit on in Gambian warehouses is more the issue
Tue Dec 1, 2015, 08:20 AM
Dec 2015

DeBeers is actually pretty straightforward about that, when asked: diamonds aren't particularly rare, but their appearance on the market is.

Orrex

(63,216 posts)
14. I know---actually, I thought that everyone knew, but you make a good point
Tue Dec 1, 2015, 08:29 AM
Dec 2015

What a stupid market. If you stole $8,000 from somebody, they'd probably complain. But tell them that a $2,000 rock is worth $10,000, and they'll trip over themselves to empty their wallets for you.

Half-Century Man

(5,279 posts)
11. Speculation
Tue Dec 1, 2015, 08:27 AM
Dec 2015

Combine this with a way to harvest carbon from the air? free raw materials?
Being ferromagnetic, can it be used as a material form 3-phase motors?
As this uses a pulsed laser onto nano sized powdered carbon, can it be built up in successive layers?
Have they just invented a 3-D printer in nano scale?

Recursion

(56,582 posts)
13. I still haven't read the paper but there are some intriguing ideas there
Tue Dec 1, 2015, 08:28 AM
Dec 2015

If we can simultaneously sequester carbon and in that sequestration produce ICs, that's a huge, huge breakthrough.

Half-Century Man

(5,279 posts)
17. Article mentions low level energy causes glowing of synthetic carbon material
Tue Dec 1, 2015, 08:38 AM
Dec 2015

Break through in fragility of fiber optic cables?

Recursion

(56,582 posts)
15. Yeah, I think that's ultimately the bigger story than diamonds
Tue Dec 1, 2015, 08:29 AM
Dec 2015

I'm going to read the paper once I get to the library (which has a subscription) tomorrow.

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