Possible solution: Load guns with trackers so stockpiles can be detected by satellite

[lindysalsagal]

I'm thinking that it is now easy to imbed anything with a GPS type of marker so that when someone hoardes a large number of guns in one space, the authorities would be notified that someone is getting ready for an attack.

Ok, there will always be foreign guns that won't have the trackers, but it would slow people like this guy down. His guns were legal.

That should be acceptable to the majority of owners who have 1 or 2, and it would set apart the lunatics who are loading up for a large event.

Large concentrations could be detected by satellite and authorities would be able to anticipate a ramp-up.

Wonder if anyone has thought of that before?

[0rganism]

1. there are hundreds of millions of privately-owned guns in the USA

getting "trackers" put in them would be prohibitively difficult.

putting such devices in new firearms purchases might help but only for a smallish fraction.

now finding a way to track the ammo, that might work out.

[Travis_0004]

2. GPS drain batteries quickly

You could probably get the battery to last 1 week.

Lets hope the criminals dont forget to charge their batteries.

Also. What defines a stockpile. Lots of mass shooters use 2-3 guns, or less. Are you going to call the police when 3 guns are together.

I guess I wont be carpooling with my friends to the shooting range anymore.

[backscatter712]

19. Exactly. GPS is not magic.

GPS doesn't send a signal to the satellites. It gets signals from the satellites, and by measuring the timing differences between the signals, triangulates its location.

Then you need some way to transmit your location - a 4G cell-phone-data chip. At that point, you need a lot of power, so you'll need a beefy battery too. You're looking at a device that's most of the size of a small cell phone. And then you need a way to charge the battery so it can do its job. And good luck getting criminals to charge your tracking devices for you...

[Jesus Malverde]

27. GPS doesn't even fit the bill.

It gets a location from satellites it doesn't send the location to satellites.

The op is thinking about geo location trackers. The most common ones use cell towers and require enormous batteries to last any time to be worthwhile.

Student Says He Found FBI Tracking Device on Car
http://abcnews.go.com/US/california-student-finds-fbi-tracking-device-car/story?id=11841644

[Jim Beard]

33. No battery charge. no work

[valerief]

3. I thought of it, too. But that would take laws and our lawmakers don't care

about the stockpiling of arms. They just don't give a flying fuck.

I wonder what life will be like when 3D guns and ammo can be created. The ammosexuals and terrorists will manufacture them as desired.

http://www.wired.com/2014/11/atlas-314-3-d-printed-guns-bullets/

[Travis_0004]

5. Ammo can be created now.

I have an auto dealership that gives me lead wheel weights I melt down to make bullets.

[Snobblevitch]

4. If you are referencing yesterday's shootings,

how would your system help? This couple apparently had four guns. That is not a stockpile.

[Pathwalker]

6. Or, mark the firing pin with a number that gives every fired bullet

a number that tells you which gun fired it. Would make solving murders much easier. This technology already exists. No batteries required.

[Snobblevitch]

9. After a couple hundred rounds,

the firing pin 'marker' would be useless.

[virginia mountainman]

15. Do you propose to ban files as well?

10 seconds with one of these $3 commonly found items, and the tip of the firing pin will be devoid of microstamping...

[Travis_0004]

21. Wouldn't a criminal sand it down?

I can remove a firing pin from my AR-15 in about 20 seconds. I'm sure I could do it faster if I practiced. File it down, put it back in.

[Pathwalker]

22. They can, and they already do, make them so the gun won't fire

if the firing pin has been tampered with. Then, we make it a felony to tamper with them. They already make these firing pins, and a law that would do that has been written (not enacted yet, sadly)- why would any law-abiding gun owner object to this? If you're not firing your gun doing something illegal, how could this possibly be an imposition? After all, it could solve/prevent a lot of murders.

[Travis_0004]

23. How do you propose that

Sanding off 1mm is not going to cause it not to work

If its a felony to sand it down, then fire off 2,000 rounds to wear it down.

Or get a revolver. . . .

[Pathwalker]

24. why do you think it would only be 1mm?

Why would any law abiding gun owner be afraid of this? Why would you NOT want your bullets to be identifiable - it's not like you're going to murder anyone with it, right?

[Travis_0004]

25. If I was a criminal I might support the law

Go to range, pick up brass.

Spread it at crime scene, watch cops go after somebody else.

[Jesus Malverde]

32. It doesn't mark a bullet.

Just the shell casing.

[ozone82]

43. A Machinist Could Just Make

A new firing pin and housing. And the vast inventory of parts already out there.....

[Waldorf]

7. I have a couple gun safes with firearms. To some I'm sure they would call that hoarding. They

are firearms that I have collected over the last 33 yrs. And enjoy shooting at the range. Where do you get the crazy idea that I'm planning an attack?

[Hoyt]

8. Well, I'll bet folks like Zimmerman, Dunn, Reeves, etc, all said something similar the day before

they did what they didn't think they'd do.

Fact is, if you arm up, train to shoot people, train as if you are in an urban war zone, carry a gun, and the like, you are clearly more likely to shoot someone than those who don't do that crud.

That's the problem.

And I haven't even gotten into your supporting the lethal weapons industry, where you gunz will go when you pass, etc.

[Pathwalker]

10. WTF? I support the gun industry? Since when?

I don't even own a gun, so there won't be anything to go anywhere when I pass, which won't be very long, anyway. Hope that makes you smile, jerk. Heaven forbid we use a methodology that could help solve murders, like that of a friend of mine.

[Snobblevitch]

12. I think you made a mistake.

The person to whom you responded did not reply to your post.

I am sorry about what happened to your friend.

[Hoyt]

13. Did I respond to you?

[Snobblevitch]

18. I think he responded to you.

[Waldorf]

11. The people you described, and ones who think like them, what percentage do you think they make up

of the 80-100 million gun owners in this Country? 0.00005%?

And when I pass, my gunz (as you call them) are going to my sons/younger brothers.

[Hoyt]

16. Waldorf, gunners are far more likely to shoot people than the 200 million who aren't

enamored with lethal weapons.

Well, former NRA Pres Keene gave his son guns. His son spent 10 years in prison for shooting a motorist in a road rage incident. Fact people are going to leave guns to the kids they indoctrinated into the gun culture and all that goes with that, is not particularly comforting.

[GGJohn]

31. Jeebus Hoyt,

just about every firearm thread, you have to bring up those names, what is it with you?

[Hoyt]

34. You'd alert on me if I used your name.

[GGJohn]

36. No I wouldn't.

I don't alert on people I find amusing, matter of fact, I rarely alert.

[Jim Beard]

35. What are your targets at the range?

[Waldorf]

40. Usually something like these.

Rifle, 100-yds.
http://www.midwayusa.com/product/938674/champion-score-keeper-100-yard-sight-in-rifle-targets-14-x-18-paper-black-bull-pack-of-12

Pistol, various yardage.
http://www.midwayusa.com/product/2015516540/champion-score-keeper-25-yard-slow-fire-pistol-target-11-x-16-paper-orange-bull

[olddots]

14. hopefully some day guns will be as common as ash trays

"Live & learn " has been replaced with die and learn .

[Waldorf]

17. True. Then we will have phasers.

[Glassunion]

28. Fuck yeah! Phasers! You have: stun, maximum stun, kill, or

instantaneous explosive liquid-diarrhea...

I'll let you all guess what my favorite setting will be.

[Waldorf]

29. Look at the positives. It will free up all the landfill space as I can just vaporize the trash.

[backscatter712]

20. Sooner or later, probably later, after we have a disaster that kills hundreds...

...we'll have to come to our senses, realize that possession and use of deadly weapons shouldn't be a Constitution-enshrined right in the 21st century, and turn the safety regulation knob up.

Eventually, it'll come down to universal background checks, more complete state and federal databases for said background checks to exclude criminals, terrorists, dangerous people, when they attempt to buy weapons, removal of loopholes and requiring ALL firearms transactions to come with a background check, probably a licensing system - you want to possess a deadly weapon? You have to get a license, you have to prove you have enough skill and sense to handle the weapon safely, you have to show that you can store it safely, and you lose your guns quickly when you fuck up.

Sorry, but it's time to set aside the Second Amendment and come to the understanding that it should be a revocable privilege, not a right.

[Jim Beard]

37. We came to our senses despite the right wing, on nuclear reduction.

It has worked very good so far.

[The_Casual_Observer]

26. It only takes a few guns to do this shit.

[Glassunion]

30. You have a point.

You hear about these sick individuals, and their almost obscene arsenal, but then they end up using only one or two out of the entire pile.

[The_Casual_Observer]

44. A maniac can only carry a couple of guns at once. Once they start killing it doesn't take very long

Before the cops show up and end it one way or the other. However, trying to reason out why these maniacs do anything is fruitless.

[hardluck]

38. Wouldn't that be an illegal search

in violation of the Fourth Amendment? I mean, using thermal imaging to monitor a house from a public space without a warrant in a search. I would suspect having someway of having the gun notify authorities would be, without a warrant, an illegal search.

[Jim Beard]

41. They do the thermal imaging all the time in the winter looking for homes growing Marijuana

Use helicopters and fly over homes.

[hardluck]

42. Such thermal imaging is a search requiring a warrant - Kyllo v. U.S., 533 U.S. 27

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kyllo_v._United_States

[Jim Beard]

39. I own guns but I really not need them

I mostly just shoot jackrabbits and land destroying Prairie dogs. otherwise they will make good paper weights.

I have a cheap single shot shotgun that gets all kind of scratches in my work truck. I don't need any more shells than one because jackrabbits are so fast, it is seldom you will hit them with a second shot.

Who is such a bac shot that they need a 30 bullet magazine clip?