San Bernardino shooter Tashfeen Malik became hardline in Saudi Arabia, family says CBC News

[applegrove]

San Bernardino shooter Tashfeen Malik became hardline in Saudi Arabia, family says

CBC News

http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/isis-san-bernardino-shooting-1.3352268

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A maid who worked in the Multan home where Malik lived said she would travel back to Saudi Arabia to be with her family when school was out. During her time in Multan, her style of dress became more conservative over time, the maid said.

The maid said Malik initially wore a scarf that covered her head but not her face. A year before she got married, she started to dress more conservatively and began wearing a scarf that covered all but her nose and eyes, the maid said. The maid spoke on condition of anonymity because did not want to jeopardize her employment with the family.

ISIS calls couple 'supporters'

A relative of Malik's in Pakistan likewise said the young woman apparently became a more devoted follower of the Muslim faith in the past few years.

Hifza Batool told The Associated Press on Saturday that other relatives have said that Malik, who was her step-niece, used to wear Western clothes but began wearing the hijab head covering or the all-covering burqa donned by conservative Muslim women about three years ago.

"I recently heard it from relatives that she has become a religious person and she often tells people to live according to the teachings of Islam," said Batool, a teacher who lives in Karor Lal Esan, about 280 miles southwest of the Pakistani capital of Islamabad.



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[SickOfTheOnePct]

1. And we still have a poster here

insisting this was "workplace violence".

[uppityperson]

3. We still have a poster here

unable to acknowledge people are complicated and there can be more than 1 thing going on at a time.

[SickOfTheOnePct]

5. Right...

The male terrorist was so upset about being teased about his beard that he convinced his wife to come out for a day of killing with him, and oh honey, don't forget to pledge allegiance to ISIS before we leave so that we can confuse everyone.

I just don't get why some people can't admit that these two people were radicalized Islamic terrorists.

[uppityperson]

8. They were. AND they shot up his place of work.

I just don't get why some people can't admit they shot up his place of work.

[Gormy Cuss]

10. Funny how no one's speculating that they were mentally ill

because Muslim trumps all.

[Marr]

32. Of course there were mentally ill-- they were religious extremists. /nt

[SickOfTheOnePct]

11. That doesn't make it workplace violence

It's still terrorism.

And they didn't shoot up his workplace - they shot up a holiday party attended by people he worked with.

[uppityperson]

12. So "workplace violence" is only shooting up the location you work? Not killing the people you

work with, while at a party with/for them?

Huh.




It is terrorism. It also is workplace violence. It also happened on Dec 2. It also happened on a Wednesday.

[ProudToBeBlueInRhody]

14. Oh come on, now you're into semantics

Why can't it be both terrorism and workplace violence? An angry couple, poisoned by radical Islam as a motive, and chose his workplace as ground zero.

[SickOfTheOnePct]

15. I'm sorry, I wasn't clear

I'm not saying it isn't workplace violence because he didn't do at the office - I was just responding to someone that said he shot up his workplace. I'm saying it wasn't workplace violence because there is no evidence that issues with his workplace had anything to do with them shooting up the party.

Based on what you're saying, that would, in my opinion be terrorism as the motive, and the "workplace" as an opportunity. That's not the same thing as being workplace violence.

[ProudToBeBlueInRhody]

18. The San Bernadino Health Dept XMas party isn't....

....exactly the Super Bowl as far as terrorist targets. And terrorists don't usually choose to terrorize people they know personally. I think it's silly to act like he didn't have some sort of grudge that would cause him to choose an office party over a mall, a theater, a busy park.....

[SickOfTheOnePct]

19. I think it's equally silly

to assume he was holding a grudge against his workmates, when no evidence that effect has been produced.

[ProudToBeBlueInRhody]

20. You're right, shooting 14 people doesn't seem like evidence

You are being as dense as the people who say this is only simple workplace violence. I believe he killed multiple birds with one stone.

[SickOfTheOnePct]

21. That's the terrorism part

Duh.

[ProudToBeBlueInRhody]

22. In a building and with people who no other terrorist

.....would think nor bother to target.

[SickOfTheOnePct]

24. If you choose to believe it's workplace violence

in order to exonerate Islamist radicals of the charge of being Islamist radicals have at it.

I'll stick with the evidence that shows they WERE radicalized Islamist terrorists.

[ProudToBeBlueInRhody]

26. WHERE did I "exonerate" jihadists?

NOW I know you didn't read a goddamn thing I wrote other than what you wanted to.....

BOTH reasons come into play here.

[smirkymonkey]

23. +1000

[still_one]

27. Maybe they were referring to workplace violence at ISIS inc.

[plus5mace]

28. It is racist to say that two ISIS supporters are terrorists for killing a dozen plus people.

It's just like any run of the mill workplace shooting. I know if I was mad at work my SO would be happy to join me in a murder suicide attack while the baby is napping.

[SickOfTheOnePct]

29. That's why I divorced my wife

My cubicle mate wore really strong perfume one day, and when asked my wife to go in and shoot up the place with me, she refused.

[ZX86]

2. Funny how Saudi Arabia always comes up

in connection with major terrorism events.

For the life of me I can't tell the difference between them and ISIS outside marketing techniques. Beheadings, misogyny, slavery, homophobia. What's the difference?

[Wilms]

4. Saudi's have more money and oil.

[raouldukelives]

16. The difference is lots of Americans are invested in Saudi Arabia.

Thus whatever is good for SA is good for themselves.

They don't really mind funding ISIS by proxy, just not directly.

[Snobblevitch]

6. Became hardline?

Dodn't she live most of her life in Saidi Arabia?

[applegrove]

7. Pakistan first. Then her family moved to SA. Then she stopped wearing more western dress and started

to cover up like conservative muslims do. Nutters obviously in the end.

[muriel_volestrangler]

17. Other accounts said she first went to Saudi Arabia when she was four

Malik, a photograph of whom was obtained by ABC News, was born in Pakistan but moved to Saudi Arabia 25 years ago when she was about four years old. When she was older, she likely moved back and forth between Saudi Arabia and Pakistan, according to a source close to the Saudi Arabian government.

In 2007, she returned to Pakistan to study at Bahuddin Zakri University in Multan and stayed until 2012, according to a Pakistani intelligence official. She was said to be a brilliant student and was not known to have religious or political affiliation while there.

Malik encountered Syed Rizwan Farook, an American of Pakistani origin born in Chicago, on a dating website, an attorney for Farook’s family told reporters today. U.S. officials said Farook could have met Malik or her family in Saudi Arabia during a trip there in the fall of 2013. After another trip in July 2014, Farook returned to the U.S. with Malik in tow. The couple was married the next month.

http://abcnews.go.com/International/female-san-bernardino-shooter-tashfeen-malik/story?id=35589386

If you look at the text of the CBC report, rather than its headline, it sounds more like she became hardline in Pakistan (my italics in this quote):

A change came over Tashfeen Malik two or three years ago. She started dressing more conservatively, wearing a scarf that covered nearly her entire face, and became more devout in her Muslim faith, according to some who knew her in Pakistan.
...
Malik started studying pharmacy at Bahauddin Zakariya University in the Pakistani city of Multan in 2012, said the university's vice chancellor, Tahir Amin. It was not immediately clear whether she graduated.

A maid who worked in the Multan home where Malik lived said she would travel back to Saudi Arabia to be with her family when school was out. During her time in Multan, her style of dress became more conservative over time, the maid said.

The maid said Malik initially wore a scarf that covered her head but not her face. A year before she got married, she started to dress more conservatively and began wearing a scarf that covered all but her nose and eyes, the maid said. The maid spoke on condition of anonymity because did not want to jeopardize her employment with the family.

These accounts conflict; one says she started at university in Multan in 2012, the other that she started in 2007 and stayed until 2012. The media still doesn't have coherent story.

[applegrove]

31. My bad. I was skimming the article.

[proverbialwisdom]

34. Informative post! Some misstatements in this article, too, regarding timeline plus new reporting.

http://nypost.com/2015/12/06/she-was-a-honey-trap-wife-led-the-charge-in-california-massacre/

...Malik’s potential lead role in the slaughter has FBI officials believing Farook might have been led into jihad by a “honey trap” wife who sought him out as a potential terror accomplice.

Farook had frequented dating Web sites and told friends he met Malik online.

Christian Nwadike, a colleague of Farook who barely escaped death last week, said he noticed a change in him after his marriage to Malik.

Now looking back, Nwadike said: “I think he married a terrorist.”

The last meal Malik and Farook enjoyed in their home was orange juice and paratha bread – and perhaps a dose of Adderall and Xanax, investigators said.

The drugs, meant to increase focus and calm nerves, were found near where the murderous duo had their last meal.

This could have been an ordinary antidote for stressed out young parents with a baby girl. But those bottles of medication found near their final meal added a disturbing new detail to Wednesday’s slaughter.

Meanwhile, Saudi Arabia on Sunday sought to distance itself from last week’s mass murder.

Saudi Interior Ministry spokesman Maj. Gen. Mansour Al-Turki said there’s no indication Malik was radicalized in Saudi Arabia. Al-Turki said Saudi records show she was not a resident of Saudi Arabia and had been to the kingdom only twice in her life.

On both trips, she came to visit her family, once in 2008 for several weeks and the second time in 2013 for four months. Farook, an American-born son of Pakistani immigrants, reportedly tied the knot with Malik in Saudi Arabia.

http://touch.latimes.com/#section/600/article/p2p-85209158/

12:37 P.M.
The Multan, Pakistan, house of Gulzar Ahmed Malik, Tashfeen Malik's father. She reportedly stayed there as a pharmacology student. (Faisal Kareem / EPA)

Two students who attended college with San Bernardino assailant Tashfeen Malik confirmed that during her time studying pharmacology at Bahauddin Zakariya University in Multan, Pakistan, she began attending Al Huda, a chain of modern institutes of Islamic education that mainly focuses on women with the stated objective of “bringing them back to their religious roots.”

“She used to go to attend sessions in Al Huda almost every day,” said a fellow student, who asked not to be identified. “She was not too close to any class fellow."

Dr. Ayesha Siddiqa, a Pakistani security analyst, said Al Huda institutes teach women "fundamentalist" ideas, though they do not necessarily promote a jihadist agenda.

—Aoun Sahi

[JeffHead]

9. The best thing we can do to kneecap these freaks is this.....

Go all in on renewable energy sources and they'll be bankrupt within a decade. Oil is all they have other than sand. No more petro dollars, no more money to fund terrorism. Period.

[applegrove]

13. Yes. I hope that is part of Obama's grand plan tomorrow night.

[smirkymonkey]

25. Hear, hear!

We only get less than 20% of oil from them anyway. Most of is domestic or comes from Canada, Mexico, Venezula or other non-hostile nations. We do not need the Saudis anymore. It's time to cut the cord.

[roamer65]

30. Notice how all roads lead back to Riyadh on this crap?

It's that poisonous perversion of Islam called Wahhabi'ism that they sponsor.

[Quantess]

33. Muslim Extremist terrorists.

Surprise, surprise.