Hey Gun Nuts!

[onehandle]

The tipping point is starting right now.

President Obama is drawing the first line in the sand, right this very moment.

Supported by the many, many who are questioning gun nuttery since the Planned Parenthood gun attack and the gun attack in San Bernardino.

Please proceed to criticize a sitting Democratic President at Democratic Underground.

Please support those on no-fly lists and domestic terrorists for their 'right' to have guns.

Please continue to prop up Trump and the other GOP clowns that have your back.

Please proceed.

[Elmergantry]

3. No tears shed here

Cheatriots....

[xfundy]

65. They needed guns like REAL patriots.

[jmg257]

2. "Congress should act to...make it harder for people to buy powerful assault weapons."

Yep - it's started.

I guess.

[hack89]

4. Let me know when Congress agrees with him and passes legislation. Nt

[TheCowsCameHome]

5. Hey, I just got a pop-up ad from the NRA, here on DU -

I'll get a free NRA pocket knife with a $25 membership!

I guess those fuckwads really don't trust anyone with guns.

[ManiacJoe]

61. Would you really be willing to fire any gun that cost what that knife does?

[Munificence]

6. Yawn......

[Logical]

11. Ahhh, feelings hurt? nt

[ChisolmTrailDem]

15. Incapable of elaborating? nt

[Munificence]

60. Well for starters

"Please proceed to criticize a sitting Democratic President at Democratic Underground."

or what?

[MohRokTah]

7. Uh,...I completely support the second amendment and I have no problem with anything the president...

said about guns.

I don't own any guns, but it all seems like common sense approaches to the issues at hand while still complying with the right to keep and bear arms.

Unlike the bans and confiscations so many on the extreme left wing have been demanding...

[UTUSN]

8. Gunnutters should be obligated to *ENLIST* first before anything!1 n/t

[MohRokTah]

36. What a bout people who served but are too old to re-enlist?

BTW, it's interesting that you would push Heinleinian idea of linking citizen rights with military service.

Heinlein was a total rightwing nutbag.

[UTUSN]

64. 1. I willingly engage what I interpret as sincere, non-snarky, non-sarcastic Replies.

2. I am often puzzled by many DU posts containing cultural references totally over my head.

3. In assessing, evaluating, replying to most of my posts the rule of thumb is: (As in, "Physician, do no harm": ) First, do not *OVERTHINK* (whatever UTUSN said).

So, starting with #3 first, asking for policy details ("too old to re-enlist&quot is way overthinking, giving my off-the-top-of-my-head too much credence as a dictum. But now that we're there, my target (as it were) is gunnutters, who in my view are mostly non-military, non-law-enforcement, who have a fantasy life towards guns, based on movies, John WAYNE (who was FAKING IT, an ACTOR, and a draft dodger). The 2nd A-ers Open Carry a-holes find it more "patriotic" to wage pretend-war on us civilians by prancing into J.C.Pennys with long arms strapped to their backs than by exposing themselves to actual combat through military service against real combatants. My comment was aimed at the drug-store "warriors" and was not intended to be interpreted as investing veterans with gun-specific expertise as a qualification in their possession.

I see veterans and guns more as POSSIBLY applying their experience (which is not all about guns) with a bit of being a tad more informed about consequences, POSSIBLY having a tad of deference toward protocols, and possibly observing last resort criteria regarding actually firing weapons (deadly force). It's like, the physically most gigantic dudes tend not to unleash all they've got when being taunted by pipsqueaks.

******On to #2: Who is HEINLEIN? The science fiction writer (is that "Stranger in a Strange Land"?) -- whoever, I might have read a few paragraphs of this dude (if he's who you refer to) but absolutely not in the quantity or depth as to put him in the "influence" (on me) category. And I'll give you the benefit of the doubt that you are not associating me with "a total rightwing nutbag." Here we're back in "overthinking" territory since I plead Not Guilty to being a philosopher on the topic of "linking citizen rights with military service."

As I said, my post was off the top of the head and aimed at Open Carry jerks.

[cherokeeprogressive]

38. What's a "gunnutter"?

[Decoy of Fenris]

41. Don't you know? C'mon, man. Get informed.

Comes in chunky and smooth.

[cherokeeprogressive]

43. Reminds me of the old Reese's Peanut Butter Cup commercials...

1: You got peanut butter on my Glock!

2: You got Glock in my peanut butter!

I want one of them to tell me.

[Kingofalldems]

9. Most claim to dislike the NRA but repeat their talking points.

Meanwhile one of the NRA board members (Nugent) wants all liberals killed.

[GGJohn]

12. Yet many here want bans and confications of firearms.

Oh the irony and hypocrisy.

[Kingofalldems]

14. How is that hypocrisy?

[GGJohn]

19. They want to disarm firearm owners,

yet people like Tedophile and his like will always have firearms.

[Kingofalldems]

22. Well first of all, there are very few so-called gun grabbers

here, most want registration etc.

[GGJohn]

25. And how many IRL want bans and confiscations? eom.

[Kingofalldems]

28. What in God's name is IRL?

[GGJohn]

30. I apologize,

it means in real life.

[Kingofalldems]

34. My answer: I have no idea.

[GGJohn]

40. Neither do I.

Good conversation.
Have a great night.

[Snobblevitch]

58. There sure seems to be a lot of threads with a lot of posts

the last several days with a lot of DUers demanding gun bans and confiscation.

[spin]

62. To be fair it could be pointed out that if you want to confiscate firearms first you ...

have to find a way to get them registered. This is pointed out in this interesting article.

How to Ban Guns: A step by step, long term process

By sporks
Friday Dec 21, 2012 6:20 AM EST

***snip***

The very first thing we need is national registry. We need to know where the guns are, and who has them. Canada has a national firearms registry. We need to copy their model. We need a law demanding all firearms be registered to a national database. We need to know who has them and where they are. We need to make this as easy as possible for gun owners. The federal government provides the money and technical expertise, and the State police carry it out. Like a funded mandate. Most firearms already have a serial number on them, so it would really be a matter of taking the information already on the ATF form 4473 and putting it in a national database. I think about 6 months should be enough time.
http://www.dailykos.com/stories/2012/12/21/1172661/-How-to-Ban-Guns-A-step-by-step-long-term-process

Of course gun owners oppose gun registration just for that reason.

[ryan_cats]

23. Look

Look at it this way.

They've gone from bleating the fiction of saying they want 'reasonable and responsible' gun control to honestly stating outright that they want to ban and confiscate guns. Progress!

First the 2nd, then we go after those other pesky amendments starting with the 1st. Anyone who doubts that need only look at campuses and the chilling effects the SJW's complaints are bringing about.

[GGJohn]

27. +1000. eom.

[CajunBlazer]

45. Looks like I was right, you do show up everytime guns are mentioned

You're not on the NRA payroll are you?

[GGJohn]

52. I show up at a lot of different threads,

so what?

The only firearm org I belong to is this one:

http://www.theliberalgunclub.com/

The mission of The Liberal Gun Club is to provide a voice for gun-owning liberals and moderates in the national conversation on gun rights, gun legislation, firearms safety, and shooting sports. We serve as a national forum for all people, irrespective of their personal political beliefs, to discuss firearms ownership, firearms use, and the enjoyment of firearms-related activities free from the destructive elements of political extremism that dominate this subject on the national scale. We also actively develop and foster a variety of programs for the purpose of firearms training and firearms safety education, for both gun owners and non-gun owners.

Are you paid by the VPC or the Brady org.?

[Logical]

13. The gunners on the DU that are freaked out are probably NRA members. nt

[GGJohn]

17. Respectfully, who's freaked out?

Without the Congress, what measures can Pres. Obama take?

BTW, I'm not an NRA member, I belong to The Liberal Gun Club.
We're a small gun club but we are growing.

[Jim Beard]

63. I have been reading your post from thread to thread.

I am also a gun owner. I have nine long guns and one 4-10 pistol. The .22 rifles do hold several bullets but the shotguns & other rifles hold no more than 5 bullets/shells.

I will gladly give them up or abide by any restrictions the congress shall pass. I will just add that to the continuing education requirements for herbicide/pesticide application, drivers license and all others.

I am a grandfather and my grandchildren live in the city so I worry about them and think it is time to apply some restrictions for firearms.

You mention Clinton and the 1994 election and that gun control legislation lost the election for many Democratic legislators.

Hillarys healthcare program drew heavy criticism too and all were needed. So we lose, we get up and try again.

Well, Lyndon Johnson got the Civil Rights passed and the Democrats lost the south BUT IT WAS THE RIGHT THING TO DO!

[MohRokTah]

18. Just a note about NRA membership...

In many cases, the only way to have access to a gun range, one must be a member of the NRA.

NRA membership funds do not go to their political action group. That money comes from the gun manufacturers.

[Logical]

24. The money still supports those nuts. nt

[MohRokTah]

31. Not really. eom

[Logical]

55. Lol, really, they pay nugent with it. Happy now? Nt

[MohRokTah]

56. Compared to gun manufacturer funds donations to that wing of the NRA...

membership dues are almost nothing.

The gun manufacturers donate an order of magnitude of more money to the political wing, too.

The NRA really isn't about gun ownership, it's about selling guns.

[Adrahil]

33. That's true in some places, sadly.

Fortunately, in my state, we have public gun ranges (where I don't always feel safe... some folks there don't follow the 4 rules), but there is a private range near me that does NOT require NRA membership. I'm fortunately in a position where I will never send those morons a dollar.

[LP2K12]

46. Um....

I've been shooting at indoor and outdoor ranges since I was four. I've never been to a range that requires membership in the NRA.

[MohRokTah]

47. I've seen many. eom

[LP2K12]

49. That's petrifying.

I'm glad I haven't.

[MohRokTah]

51. There are some areas, especially in Southern states, where that's all you can find.

The deal is, the NRA gives some gun clubs grants to fund ranges with the caveat being required membership for all who use the range.

The program is mostly funded by the gun manufacturers.

Personally, I'd never use such a range.

[hack89]

21. What is there to be freaked out about?

it is not like any significant gun control will come out of this. Do you think this speech will actually lead to major gun control legislation?

[Logical]

26. No, nothing will lead to that. I have said that many times. Nothing will ever change. nt

[NobodyHere]

10. Taking away people's rights w/o due process of law is not sane

[darkangel218]

29. Correct. n/t

[hunter]

48. Gun rights? How about my right not to be shot at with guns any nasty fool can buy?

Yep, I do think most gun owners are nasty fools, including many cops.

I'm sick of this NRA "gun rights" bullshit, and I'm sick of people who treat the second fucking amendment as the sacred word of some fucking gun-humping deity.

Piss on the second amendment as it is currently interpreted, piss on guns, piss on the NRA, and piss on gun humping Rambo jesus and his dad.

[Hoyt]

53. They don't give a damn as long as they have acess to all the gunz and ammo they want,

stand your ground laws, etc.

[GGJohn]

16. Without the Congress,

Pres. Obama's hands are pretty well tied.

Get back to us when the Congress actually passes gun control bills.

[madville]

20. What if we don't support the lists

or their use for anything? I've been here for awhile, I can never recall people here supporting Bush's lists until now.

There are lawsuits working towards the Supreme Court now regarding these lists, I'll side with the ACLU.

[X_Digger]

39. Unless it's about the TPP.. or the lack of single payer.. or Drones.. or Boots on the Ground.. n/t

[X_Digger]

44. *sigh* :( n/t

[sarisataka]

35. This

I did not support the list when Republicans created them, I do not support their use by Democrats now, I will never support the use of such lists to deny rights OR privileges without due process.

These lists are a mockery of our Constitutional protections and no one who claims to be progressive should support the existence of such lists.

[Adrahil]

37. I don;t have a problem with watch lists so long as....

you have a right to know if you're on it, and a right to challenge it. A denial of rights requires due process.

[Heeeeers Johnny]

50. I'm dissapoint...

he didn't address the controversial issue, and threats to our freedoms regarding 'Merry Christmas' doormats
and door buzzards.

[patsimp]

54. Well point

the gun lovers are bullies who can't answer any questions. That's why they must snuggle close to their big mighty guns.

[edgineered]

57. This is strange

Aren't those who have misconceptions about an American right, disregard for nearly all gun owners with proven responsibility in the use of guns, and false hopes of removing guns from the hands of those illegally in possession of them by passing a law the actual gun nuts?

This OP certainly did confirm the identity of the gun nuts.

[Thinkingabout]

59. Gun right advocates has had many opportunities to get a handle on gun violence

Have chosen not to do so.