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December 6, 2015 —" This week, American Jews are participating in a series of nationally coordinated actions against Islamophobia and racism to mark the eight days of Chanukah with a rekindling of their commitment to justice. Beginning Sunday, December 6th at 4pm in Rockefeller Center in New York City, each night of Chanukah Jewish activists and community members will gather to make public commitments to challenge state-sanctioned Islamophobia and racism and to call for the United States to welcome refugees."
https://jewishvoiceforpeace.org/rekindling-our-commitment-to-justice-on-chanukah/
this is great!
I hope I can create a gathering in my town.
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grossproffit
(5,591 posts)I don't see anything on the calendar at the Muslim Voices for Peace website.
Because anti-Semitism in the U.S is an issue? How many politicians are out there attacking Jews?
Heck if one politician or even commentator remotely says anything critical of Israel the nation (let alone people of Jewish faith), they are immediately jumped upon and attacked relentlessly until they are so discredited that they become irrelevant.
Whereas we have major presidential candidates demonising Muslims and suggesting policies that the Nazis would be proud of.
You trying to use an argument of why the discriminated against don't get out and rally in favour of the protected species is laughable at best and at worst so disingenuous that you should be ashamed of yourself.
ellenrr
(3,864 posts)(documented) to scan websites and reply to every so-called "snub" ((NOT)) against Jews or Israel.
and to enlarge anti-Muslim feeling where ever possible.
so our contributor may be one of these.
I don't know, but it is possible.
leftynyc
(26,060 posts)It couldn't possibly be to point out the abject hypocrisy of so many on this issue, could it?
grossproffit
(5,591 posts)I'm one of the 7 in 10 Americans that support Israel. That's WHO I am.
LeftishBrit
(41,212 posts)not everyone who disagrees with you on something is being paid for it.
I rec'd your OP by the way - but this is getting crazy!
P.S. I didn't get paid for making this post, in case you're wondering!
grossproffit
(5,591 posts)Someone should be ashamed and it's not me.
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Yorktown
(2,884 posts)
azurnoir
(45,850 posts)“It is your duty to ensure that today’s radicals are not tomorrow’s employees,” a female narrator intones in a slick video posted to the website’s YouTube account.
Called Canary Mission, the site has posted profiles of dozens of students and recent graduates, alongside those of well-known activists like Omar Barghouti, founder of the Boycott, Divestment and Sanctions movement. Some of the students are active in Students for Justice in Palestine; others were involved in recent pro-BDS resolutions at campuses in California. Many of them have relatively thin activist résumés.
Read more: http://forward.com/news/308902/shadowy-web-site-creates-black-list-of-pro-palestinian-activists/#ixzz3tdxtLkyg
azurnoir
(45,850 posts)rated right along side Hamas and the Muslim Brotherhood
http://canarymission.org/organizations/
Yorktown
(2,884 posts)
azurnoir
(45,850 posts)but you do not understand? then perhaps you should read my first reply and respond to that
Yorktown
(2,884 posts) azurnoir
(45,850 posts)11. anti-Semitism in the U.S is an issue? whiffs of it.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=7426347
my reply the one you seem to ignore for some reason
15. Doesn't the Canary Mission have a 'handle' on members of that group?
http://canarymission.org/
A new website is publicizing the identities of pro-Palestinian student activists to prevent them from getting jobs after they graduate from college. But the website is keeping its own backers’ identity a secret.
“It is your duty to ensure that today’s radicals are not tomorrow’s employees,” a female narrator intones in a slick video posted to the website’s YouTube account.
Called Canary Mission, the site has posted profiles of dozens of students and recent graduates, alongside those of well-known activists like Omar Barghouti, founder of the Boycott, Divestment and Sanctions movement. Some of the students are active in Students for Justice in Palestine; others were involved in recent pro-BDS resolutions at campuses in California. Many of them have relatively thin activist résumés.
Read more: http://forward.com/news/308902/shadowy-web-site-creates-black-list-of-pro-palestinian-activists/#ixzz3tdxtLkyg
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=7426479
Yorktown
(2,884 posts)The original question I answered to was: are there traces of antisemitism in the US?
I answered 'yes', and took 'Students for '''Justice''' in Palestine' as an example.
I suggest you try to say anything nice about Israel or its government near a group of 'Students for '''Justice''' in Palestine' folks, and report to me about the result.
You'll see if there is antisemitism in the US or not.
Take some football jaw and knee protection with you.
azurnoir
(45,850 posts)and targets the members too, do you support that?
Bluenorthwest
(45,319 posts)religion, 60% are against Jewish people or those who are thought to be Jewish. About 15% are against Muslims. There are more bias crimes motivated by racial animus or bigotry toward LGBT than to religion, over 3500 a year racially motivated and 60% of those are against African Americans.
Politicians in the US regularly denigrate LGBT, as do the right wing clergy in both Christianity and Islam.
Communities that are subjected to excessive bias crimes, as the Jewish community is, tend to oppose all bias crimes without reservations. As a gay person I am not simply opposed to anti gay crimes but to all bias crimes. Everyone is concerned with attacks on their own but only by being concerned with any attack on anyone can such crimes be reduced.
HeartoftheMidwest
(309 posts)Beautifully and succinctly stated.
politicman
(710 posts)Muslims are demonised on a national scale, by media commentators, by people filling the radio talk back airwaves and by national politicians. Heck we have countless presidential hopefuls hoping to ride the support of those that are anti-Muslim all the way to the white house.
LGBT people have dealt with this for years and years so no issue from me on that one.
But seriously, the most protected species in the U.S on a national scale is people of Jewish faith.
Like I said, a commentator or politician would never dare to even criticise Israel the country for fear of being immediately made irrelevant, let alone criticise and advocate policies against people of Jewish faith.
Hell, there is even an organisation in AIPAC that politicians and commentators must literally kneel in front of before they are even recognised on the national stage.
So please, an argument of why aren't the Muslims (the latest victims) out in protest and marches supporting the protected species (Jewish people) is absurd beyond comprehension.
Bluenorthwest
(45,319 posts)very same way that you would be offended at if one conflated Saudi Arabia and Muslims.
We were talking about bias crimes against human beings and you are talking about AIPAC. That's bigoted. Sorry, but it is. It would also be bigoted if we were talking about harassment of Muslims and someone wanted to talk about ISIS. I'm talking about American people who get assaulted, you answer with an Israeli lobbying group.
politicman
(710 posts)Look hate crimes are against the law, Jewish people in the U.S may be victims of these hate crimes but they are crimes for a reason, because we have laws against it.
An individual committing a crime against a Jewish person or any other person for that matter is taking a risk that they will be caught and punished, and because we can never get rid of crime then these things will continue on a individual basis no matter how much we speak out against them.
Whereas Muslims are being demonised on a national scale, from talk back radio to commentators, all the way to presidential hopefuls who hope to ride the anti-Muslim sentiment all the way to the White House.
Can you even for a second imagine a national commentator or politician, let alone a presidential hopeful advocating anti-semitism on a national scale? No one can because it will just simply never be allowed and we all know why.
Yet every other minority has at one time or another in the last 50 years been demonised on a national scale, African Americans, Hispanics, LGBT people, Asians, native Americans, even people of Christian faith are mocked,and the latest target is Muslims.
But not once in the last 50 years have I seen a major politician advocate against Jewish people and still remain relevant the way that anyone politician who advocated against other minorities has remained relevant.
Bluenorthwest
(45,319 posts)benefit from communicating with the other minorities who have much more and longer experience with negative stereotypes and who do in fact endure a larger number of physical and rhetorical attacks than do Muslims as a whole. We all live here. People like myself who oppose bias crimes and characterization of minorities oppose all such things, not just the bits aimed at ourselves or our favorites. If you do as you do, and try to excuse some bias crimes and rhetorical attacks in order to make others seem worse, you are not opposing all bias crimes you are opposing some of them and downplaying others. This is a bad choice for the community you wish to protect.
LGBT and Jews are very frequent victims of bias crimes. Who does those crimes? Christians and Muslims. Yeah. We do not rush to the press to point out that we have been victimized and then point out which community the criminals came from. Why? Because to do so can encourage crimes against both the group of the original victims and the group the criminals came from. What matters is that a person was attacked due to the bigotry of another person.
The way a community deals with bias crimes done to their own and by their own is a very important set of choices. LGBT have done very well with all of this. So we have a skill set. We are of course willing to share those skills. I think your verbiage is totally harmful. Something to think about.
Sissyk
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JudyM
(29,277 posts)You are civil about it, extra points for that. 
Quantess
(27,630 posts)
That's the same day pigs grow wings and fly.
LeftishBrit
(41,212 posts)politicman
(710 posts)Wow, this is what I am talking about when I say that certain people will jump on absolutely nothing and interpret as anti-Semitism to advance their agenda of acting like people of Jewish faith can ever be criticised on a national level the way other minorities are.
1) Trump was standing in front of a room full of Jewish republicans, he obviously thought it was important enough to address them to win their support, that right off the bat is a presidential hopeful trying to pander to Jewish people rather than advocate against them.
2) Trump made a comment that the people in the room wouldn't support him because he doesn't want their money, and somehow certain people interpret that as anti-Semitic because the room was full of Jewish people. Haha
Never mind the fact that Trump has made this same remark or similar remarks to many other audiences and to anyone in the country that will listen.
It's funny how when he says it in front of another audience its taken as Trump saying he can't be controlled by wealthy donators, but when the audience is Jewish this remark is taken as an anti-Semitic trope by interpreting it as Trump calling Jews 'Shylocks'.
How fucking disingenuous is that argument!!!!!!
3) Lastly Trump talks about how Israel the country needs to make sacrifices if it wants peace with the Palestinians seeing how Israel is in the drivers seat, and certain people want to claim that as anti-Semitic? Really?
Make up your minds, either Jewish people are different from Israel or Jewish people are one and the same as Israel.
Because every single person on earth knows that U.S politicians understand that severely criticising Israel for its transgressions is a death sentence for any future elections.
stevenleser
(32,886 posts)I would prefer not to see those here on DU than to have to point them out.
Bluenorthwest did a very good job pointing out the problems in your posts. Bringing up AIPAC in this discussion was one of them. AIPAC has nothing to do with the fact that well over half the religious bias crimes in this country are committed against Jews. You also equated Jews with Israel, which I have only seen from folks who are biased and harbor a lot of resentment against Jews.
I am Jewish and against Israeli policy toward the Palestinians and have been that way for around a decade now. That position is pretty widely held among American Jews even though we may not be a majority. You cannot equate Jews with Israel and Israeli policy anymore than it would have been fair to equate you with the policies of George W Bush.
You may want to claim that folks are making something out of nothing but your posts are filled with all kinds of indicators of what your true feelings are. And it begins with your desperate struggle to try to convince folks that bias and prejudice against Jews is just not that big of a deal here in the US. It completely reminds me of folks on the right who say that racism just isn't that big of a deal and homophobia isn't that big of a deal. I see folks saying any of those things and it's clear what they are about.
politicman
(710 posts)On the contrary, I am not trying to downplay that over half of religious bias crimes are committed against Jews. What I am trying to do is firstly put in perspective the individual hate crimes (keep in mind that they are recognised as crimes) against Jews with the national public bigotry and racism against Muslims at the moment.
Like I have said multiple times now, talk back radio, national commentators, local and national politicians and even presidential candidates are vilifying and advocating policies directed at Muslims on a very public national scale.
Even though hate crimes against Jews are bad, at least they are recognised as such by the authorities, but what is happening with the Muslims right now is an attempt to institutionalise the racism and bigotry through policy proposals. The bigotry and racism against Muslims evident in national politics right now is actually applauded by a big segment of the American public.
So even though the statistics provided show that Jews are the victims of half of all hate crimes, those statistics don't necessarily portray an accurate picture because what is happening against Muslims on a national scale right now doesn't show up in the statistics but is still racism and bigotry in full public view.
I don't know what to do anymore, if I mention Israel and Jews in the same sentence then someone interprets it as anti-Semitism because as I'm being told I can not equate Jews with Israel, yet when Trump makes remarks about what Israel should do in a room full of Jewish people then his remarks are interpreted as anti-Semitism because he mildly suggested that Israel should make sacrifice to attain peace in the mid-east and that insults those Jews in the room.
cali
(114,904 posts)Say what? What the heck does that even mean? And Jews aren't some different species. Not to mention that your conflation of Jews and Israel is pitiful.
Oh and do try and learn the meaning of the word literal.
That's some ugly bias dripping from your post.
No one is conflating Israel and Jewish people.
But if a presidential candidate or any major politician is fearful of saying anything negative about Israel because of groups like AIPAC, then it only stands to reason that those same politicians would never dare utter one word critical of Jewish people because of that same AIPAC organisation.
Whereas, these same politicians will stand up and proudly display negative attitudes against Muslims, LGTB people, Hispanics, African Americans etc, because instead of being fearful of criticising these other minorities, these national politicians rely on this criticising to garner them extra support.
Thus my cooment about how Israel and the Jewish faith in general is a protected species on a national scale.
JudyM
(29,277 posts)My viewpoint isn't awash in bigotry, its just stating the way things are. its just stating facts!
Tell me which of the major politicians in the country would ever dare to level even a slight criticism of Israel, or would ever dare to utter a critical sentence about people of Jewish faith, the same way that Muslims (and other minority groups) face all the time from these same politicians?
That's reality, if that offends your sensibilities then its because you know its true.
JI7
(89,269 posts)cali
(114,904 posts)Yorktown
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MosheFeingold
(3,051 posts)But the San Bernadino killers specifically targeted the Jewish guy.
And the media's reaction was "well, the Jewish guy was a hard core Zionist, so he pretty much was asking for it. Heck, it might be his fault."
There is a massive undercurrent in the West that Jews need to hide who they are and "ask" for attacks.
For example, in Paris, Jews have been told to remove mezzuzahs from their door and not light Chanukkah candles.
Next, I guess women need to wear burkas to prevent rape, like in Muslim countries.
Jews are fleeing to the right because of this tolerance of hate. For another example, for a long time I was on a first name basis with Sheldon Anderson (of Las Vegas fame). He was a reliable Democrat donor. He won't return a Democrat calls anymore. Now he is a rightist and vacillating between Ted Cruz (!) and Marco Rubio. I heard from my daughter his wife favors Cruz strongly.
This shift is going to be a huge problem for the DNC, financially.
Bluenorthwest
(45,319 posts)He was all in for George W Bush. So he makes a poor example of current sentiments. He spent the 90's busting Unions at his resorts.
But probably a good thing you called him by his first name since you don't know his last. His every position it to the right.
MosheFeingold
(3,051 posts)But no, he was a Democrat until fairly recently.
http://www.wsj.com/articles/SB10001424052970204712904578092670469140316
MosheFeingold
(3,051 posts)I am old.
I consider George W "recent"
MosheFeingold
(3,051 posts)Are overwhelmingly committed against the 1.7% population of this country that is Jewish. I think roughly 50%.
Yes, some are KKK types, but mostly it comes from Muslims or blacks, both of which populations have been surveyed and reveal tremendous anti-Semitic beliefs.
There is not a week that goes by when I am in a big city and don't get a cat call ("F---g Jooooo" or the like), a hard shoulder, a shove, or the equivalent, especially on a subway.
Last week, a Jewish shop keeping was beaten within an inch of his life, randomly, in NYC by a passing Muslim man. The crime? Being Jewish.
Not long ago, I was pumping gas into a rental car when a black youth leaned out of his car and threw a red slurpee out the window all over me, cat calling "Joooo." I got the joy of flying across the USA covered in red goop and had to throw my overcoat away.
And don't get me started about the lies about Israel routinize posted as truths here on DU. If it was any group other than Jews being lied about, the posters would long ago been banned.
So, yes, there is a problem with antisemitism in this country. And it's not "micro" aggression, either.
Yorktown
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politicman
(710 posts)I'm sorry you have had to go through that and I wish you didn't have to.
But the fact remains that these instances of bigotry and racism occurred against you on an individual basis, and even though I am hopeful that one day you will never have to experience them again, I am also realist enough to know that that is a pipe dream, because just like any other crime, there will always be someone ready to risk the full weight of the law no master how hard we advocate against it.
we should advocate against it anyway in the hope we can stop it.
But let's first focus on removing the racism and bigotry on a national scale that incites millions to adopt racist and bigoted attitudes against a minority.
Right now Muslims are the latest target of this national racism and bigotry, and so we should focus on stopping that.
Once we have eliminated this racism and bigotry that occurs on a national scale (which incidentally never includes anti-semitism and we all know why), we can move on to trying to eliminate it on an individual basis which is what you have and are suffering from .
MosheFeingold
(3,051 posts)"Right now Muslims are the latest target of this national racism and bigotry, and so we should focus on stopping that. "
The numbers belie your statement. The USA has not had any meaningful uptick in anti-Islamic hate crimes.
The consistent victims are Jewish.
politicman
(710 posts)Wow, your really are that blind aren't you.
Racism and bigotry does not just have to come from hate crimes or assaults etc.
Racism and bigotry can come in the form of local and national policies that discriminate and incite against a minority group.
These days both local and national politics has no qualms about discriminating and inciting against Muslims, it's happening in full public view so as to garner more support from the public.
So excuse me if I view racism and bigotry on a national scale against Muslims as more of an issue than individual crimes against Jewish people.
I mean after all, hate crimes that Jews suffer from are recognised as such, hate directed at Muslims from local and national pedestals is recognised as good politics. Lol
MosheFeingold
(3,051 posts)I am fully aware of what Trump said, for example.
While Trump is an asshat, what he said is not a crime.
We are discussing "hate crimes." There has been no meaningful uptick of hate crimes against Muslims.
It's just a fact.
politicman
(710 posts)That's your problem, you are trying to act like individual hate crimes are more of an issue than institutionalised racism and bigotry.
While individual hate crimes are despicable and should not occur, they are still considered crimes.
Whereas a local council wanting to block a mosque from being built because those damn 'moooslims' are so scary is looked upon as a way to get votes.
Whereas a national politician/s proposing policies that would negatively affect every Muslim in the country is considered as good politics to get elected.
So statistics don't really portray the whole picture when a huge chunk of racism and bigotry is worked into the system thereby not counting as a statistic because it is not even against the law.
Quantess
(27,630 posts)In my opinion they are like cousins, which makes it infuriating that one is vilified on a national scale (Muslims) and the other is given the protection of being a protected species from any national criticism (Jews).
Quantess
(27,630 posts)Bias against jews called "bigotry" and bias against muslims called "racism"?
"a protected species from any national criticism (Jews)".Yikes.
oberliner
(58,724 posts)Fox News Posts Anti-Semitic Screed Blaming Jews For Holocaust
In a new piece on Fox News, op-ed contributor and Ben Carson supporter Keith Ablow defends Carson’s recent comments blaming the disarmament of Jews in Nazi Germany for the Holocaust. Ablow took the argument a step further, saying that if the Jewish community had more forcefully opposed disarming, they could have prevented the Holocaust.
In the piece, “Why Ben Carson is right about Jews, the Holocaust and guns,” Ablow argues that turning over their guns was tantamount to a mental defeat.
“The mindset that Jews surrendered with their guns is far more important than the hardware they turned over: They surrendered the demonstrated intention, at all costs, to resist being deprived of liberty,” Ablow writes. He also discloses that he has hosted a fundraiser for the candidate.
Carson — who is currently leading in some polls — started down this path after the UCC shooting in Oregon, where 13 people were killed. Carson argued that the victims should have attacked the shooter. (In fact, one heroically did.) He then went on to say that gun control is oppressive and that the Holocaust would have been less likely if the German Jews had been armed. The presidential candidate has a long history of comparing the United States to Nazi Germany.
http://thinkprogress.org/politics/2015/10/10/3711463/ablow-defends-carsons-holocaust-comments/
KamaAina
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politicman
(710 posts)You are equating Trump standing before a room full of Jewish people and trying to crack some jokes as on the same scale of racism and bigotry as Trump saying that he wants Muslims to wear something that identifies them as Muslim etc.?
In that link you provided Trump tells the audience that they won't give him their money because they can't control him, and the first thing that you and people like you ascribe it to is anti-Semitic trope and Jews being called Shylocks??? Really????
When we are in a climate where everyone and his dog knows that wealthy donors mostly donate to politicians as an attempt to control them and Trump has said this very thing not only to a room full of Jewish people but anyone that will listen throughout the country.
So Trump or some other politician can say something like this to anyone else and it seems like a reasonable comment to make, but when he or someone else says that very same thing in front of Jewish people it suddenly takes on a different meaning and becomes anti-Semitic?
Wow, talk about clutching at straws, people like yourself will point to anything and claim anti-Semitism simply to act like Jewish people in the U.S have to face the same kind of national bigotry that other minorities face.
Its a disingenuous argument and you should really wake up to how shameful that is.
JudyM
(29,277 posts)And BTW, this is about as transparent a bigoted statement as any of us care to endure from "people like you":
"people like yourself will point to anything and claim anti-Semitism..."
politicman
(710 posts)As I said to the person who provided that link, statistics don't portray and accurate picture when some racism and bigotry is not even a crime and is even accepted by large chunks of the public as a good idea.
Example, multiple instances of locals council blocking or fighting to block the building of a mosque because those 'moooslims' are so scary. Please show me the multiple examples around the country of this happening when Jewish places of worship are scheduled to be built?
Example, multiple instances of major politicians and presidential candidates making public broad generalisations and bigoted attacks on Muslim people. Please show me the multiple examples of these same politicians directing the same kind of public bigotry against Jewish people?
Need I continue with the examples to show how statistics about crimes (keeping in mind that everyone recognises them as crimes) don't portray the real level of racism and bigotry directed against certain minority groups.
And lastly, 'people like yourself' refers to people like you, as in people who will always find a way to take something so innocuous as telling a room of people that they wont donate to him cause they can't control him and claiming it as some anti-Semitism trope because they happen to be Jewish people, when that same candidate has said the same things to people across the country and anyone who will listen.
Yorktown
(2,884 posts) grossproffit
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LeftishBrit
(41,212 posts)(I was starting to point you to it, and then realized it was your own thread.)
951-Riverside
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"Listen"
yellerpup
(12,254 posts)Who better to understand the struggle refugees are enduring. Inspiring.