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erpowers

(9,350 posts)
Mon Dec 7, 2015, 04:46 PM Dec 2015

Penis Transplants Being Planned to Help Wounded Troops

Within a year, maybe in just a few months, a young soldier with a horrific injury from a bomb blast in Afghanistan will have an operation that has never been performed in the United States: a penis transplant.

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From 2001 to 2013, 1,367 men in military service suffered wounds to the genitals in Iraq or Afghanistan, according to the Department of Defense Trauma Registry. Nearly all were under 35 and were hurt by homemade bombs, commonly called improvised explosive devices, or I.E.D.s. Some lost all or part of their penises or testicles — what doctors call genitourinary injuries.

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Some doctors have criticized the idea of penis transplants, saying they are not needed to save the patient’s life. But Dr. Richard J. Redett, director of pediatric plastic and reconstructive surgery at Johns Hopkins, said, “If you meet these people, you see how important it is.”

“To be missing the penis and parts of the scrotum is devastating,” Dr. Redett said. “That part of the body is so strongly associated with your sense of self and identity as a male. These guys have given everything they have.”

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/12/07/health/penis-transplants-being-planned-to-heal-troops-hidden-wounds.html

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Penis Transplants Being Planned to Help Wounded Troops (Original Post) erpowers Dec 2015 OP
I'm not going there.... Photographer Dec 2015 #1
they write themselves nt firebrand80 Dec 2015 #3
What, the jokes? philosslayer Dec 2015 #28
I'm kind of not understanding the donor situation here snooper2 Dec 2015 #2
They can have mine. I'm not using it. Qutzupalotl Dec 2015 #11
It should be like any other organ, if the tissue type is a match JustABozoOnThisBus Dec 2015 #17
"Sorry Shaq but its for the troops" 951-Riverside Dec 2015 #4
Don't really understand the humor n/t snpsmom Dec 2015 #5
Yeah, me neither. Hell Hath No Fury Dec 2015 #7
+1 COLGATE4 Dec 2015 #10
+10 Raster Dec 2015 #76
This message was self-deleted by its author Warren DeMontague Dec 2015 #24
It's actually pretty sick. Codeine Dec 2015 #57
Yep. People giggle, but these are horrible injuries. backscatter712 Dec 2015 #72
K&R Solly Mack Dec 2015 #6
I wonder if it's 3D-printed living tissue. That's top-notch research. DetlefK Dec 2015 #8
Wow, just amazing. I wish the best for the patients. MerryBlooms Dec 2015 #9
I hope some guys mobilize against this loyalsister Dec 2015 #12
Why on earth would you hope that? B2G Dec 2015 #13
As I said loyalsister Dec 2015 #18
This message was self-deleted by its author Warren DeMontague Dec 2015 #21
The big lie perpetrated loyalsister Dec 2015 #45
This message was self-deleted by its author Warren DeMontague Dec 2015 #47
Ableism is cultural loyalsister Dec 2015 #54
This message was self-deleted by its author Warren DeMontague Dec 2015 #59
Is this in that same idiotic vein of deaf parents who want their child to be deaf? TipTok Dec 2015 #71
Forget sex for a moment Sen. Walter Sobchak Dec 2015 #64
What these troops are going through aren't accidents. They're acts of war. backscatter712 Dec 2015 #73
+1 DashOneBravo Dec 2015 #77
I agree. LuvNewcastle Dec 2015 #78
So you're saying that a person with a spinal cord Snobblevitch Dec 2015 #79
Choice ProudToBeBlueInRhody Dec 2015 #22
If that is their choice they should do that. alphafemale Dec 2015 #23
I think you misinterpreted loyalsister Dec 2015 #46
This message was self-deleted by its author Warren DeMontague Dec 2015 #48
That's classy loyalsister Dec 2015 #55
This message was self-deleted by its author Warren DeMontague Dec 2015 #60
I am not trying to make or remove any choices loyalsister Dec 2015 #65
This message was self-deleted by its author Warren DeMontague Dec 2015 #66
If you were really motivated to prove your point. Snobblevitch Dec 2015 #80
How on earth can you call using a penis to have sex a stereotype? CBGLuthier Dec 2015 #53
It's the idea of normalcy that is a stereotype loyalsister Dec 2015 #56
This message was self-deleted by its author Warren DeMontague Dec 2015 #61
You are the one assigning that one choice is more noble than the other. alphafemale Dec 2015 #62
I would like to point out to you that breasts are not sex organs notadmblnd Dec 2015 #29
This message was self-deleted by its author Warren DeMontague Dec 2015 #33
I don't think you're going to get that answer from that particular poster notadmblnd Dec 2015 #35
It's like the power washer in the garage Warren DeMontague Dec 2015 #39
lol yeah, like that. notadmblnd Dec 2015 #42
This message was self-deleted by its author Warren DeMontague Dec 2015 #19
+1 sigh...nt jonno99 Dec 2015 #26
+1 nt Tree-Hugger Dec 2015 #69
Is there a "stupid post of the day" contest that I wasn't aware of? philosslayer Dec 2015 #30
What do you think of women who have had FGM?Do you hope someone mobilizes against reconstruction a uppityperson Dec 2015 #37
This message was self-deleted by its author Warren DeMontague Dec 2015 #43
Breasts and genitals aren't vaguely the same. nt Codeine Dec 2015 #58
Oh god, this is ridiculous nonsense. If you ever had a penis, you wouldn't be saying this. phleshdef Dec 2015 #67
Um, no. backscatter712 Dec 2015 #68
How about you let them do what they want with their bodies... TipTok Dec 2015 #70
Much of what we know about treating traumatic injuries DawgHouse Dec 2015 #14
No way I'd mess with immune-suppressing drugs for that. hunter Dec 2015 #15
This message was self-deleted by its author Warren DeMontague Dec 2015 #25
You're not reading me right. hunter Dec 2015 #49
This message was self-deleted by its author Warren DeMontague Dec 2015 #63
Reek, Reek Prism Dec 2015 #74
This message was self-deleted by its author Warren DeMontague Dec 2015 #75
They have them for dogs! TexasBushwhacker Dec 2015 #50
Those are cheaper too. hunter Dec 2015 #52
Wow! Let's hope this works. mikehiggins Dec 2015 #16
Good luck DashOneBravo Dec 2015 #20
Awesome research Kurska Dec 2015 #27
One would think that would be the universal, compassionate response. Warren DeMontague Dec 2015 #31
But Warren! Kurska Dec 2015 #34
Yeah, these guys arent exactly "smilin' bob" Warren DeMontague Dec 2015 #38
Oh man that guy Kurska Dec 2015 #44
This is good news if it works... haikugal Dec 2015 #32
Good luck to them, this would be wonderful if it works. For those snerking 3rd grade "humor", uppityperson Dec 2015 #36
Anything, I would think, for wounded victims of war. Warren DeMontague Dec 2015 #40
Served in the military TeddyR Dec 2015 #41
I sincerely hope it works. Urology has unfortunately been a booming business TwilightGardener Dec 2015 #51
 

philosslayer

(3,076 posts)
28. What, the jokes?
Mon Dec 7, 2015, 06:38 PM
Dec 2015

You really find this humorous? Pretty sick if you ask me. These men deserve compassion, not jokes.

 

snooper2

(30,151 posts)
2. I'm kind of not understanding the donor situation here
Mon Dec 7, 2015, 04:53 PM
Dec 2015

Is it like any other organ from a fresh motorcycle accident?


Can you mix-n-match?

JustABozoOnThisBus

(23,367 posts)
17. It should be like any other organ, if the tissue type is a match
Mon Dec 7, 2015, 06:06 PM
Dec 2015

I don't know what mix-n-match means. Would I care about a race/color match? I think I'd take anything that works.

 

Hell Hath No Fury

(16,327 posts)
7. Yeah, me neither.
Mon Dec 7, 2015, 05:08 PM
Dec 2015

Nothing funny about having your dick blown off by a bomb. I hope the operation is a success for that soldier, and I hope it can be used for others who suffer.

Response to snpsmom (Reply #5)

backscatter712

(26,355 posts)
72. Yep. People giggle, but these are horrible injuries.
Tue Dec 8, 2015, 12:59 PM
Dec 2015

More power to the doctors treating these soldiers.

DetlefK

(16,423 posts)
8. I wonder if it's 3D-printed living tissue. That's top-notch research.
Mon Dec 7, 2015, 05:11 PM
Dec 2015

They can print you skin-transplants and recently made arteries. Theoretically they could print inner organs, but they always turn out too mushy and soft: The researchers need to find out how the cells in the inner organs grow so dense and well-organized.

loyalsister

(13,390 posts)
12. I hope some guys mobilize against this
Mon Dec 7, 2015, 05:44 PM
Dec 2015

the same way some women mobilized against breast reconstruction surgery. Both of these lines of thought serve to promote myths and stereotypes about people who have been injured and sexuality in general.

 

B2G

(9,766 posts)
13. Why on earth would you hope that?
Mon Dec 7, 2015, 05:48 PM
Dec 2015

If it's a viable surgery that help people to overcome the major trauma of such events, who in the fuck would 'mobilize' such a thing?

People with all of their parts intact I would imagine.

loyalsister

(13,390 posts)
18. As I said
Mon Dec 7, 2015, 06:07 PM
Dec 2015

It promotes stereotypes and myths about sexuality.

Women who choose not to have breast reconstruction are promoting health attitudes towards femaleness and female sexuality by not centering it in bodily characteristics as movies and popular culture have done.

Response to loyalsister (Reply #18)

loyalsister

(13,390 posts)
45. The big lie perpetrated
Mon Dec 7, 2015, 11:02 PM
Dec 2015

--- "Normal" sexual functioning allows a person to become a citizen- right? Given the way sex is treated as an initiation to adulthood, that is truly what people in the US believe.

The belief that a person is incomplete if their bodies don't function a particular way is ableist. People who have a range of disabilities, including spinal cord injuries have happy, healthy, sex lives.

How you compare accidents with intentional geniral mutiltion is beyond me.

Response to loyalsister (Reply #45)

loyalsister

(13,390 posts)
54. Ableism is cultural
Tue Dec 8, 2015, 12:57 AM
Dec 2015

It is a set of widely held beliefs that sets a standard for bodily\intellectual normalcy and superiority. People who buy into it, implicitly devalue people whose bodies and minds do not meet that standard.

Response to loyalsister (Reply #54)

 

Sen. Walter Sobchak

(8,692 posts)
64. Forget sex for a moment
Tue Dec 8, 2015, 03:55 AM
Dec 2015

I know such a person who suffered burns to his genitals, I think urinating without a catheter would have enormous appeal to him.

backscatter712

(26,355 posts)
73. What these troops are going through aren't accidents. They're acts of war.
Tue Dec 8, 2015, 01:03 PM
Dec 2015

Thugs from the Taliban, Al Qaeda, Isis are deliberately planting these bombs, and deliberately rigging them at waist-level to maximize the chances of blowing someone's genitals off.

And I'm for using every bit of medical knowledge we've got to treat the troops with these kinds of injuries.

LuvNewcastle

(16,856 posts)
78. I agree.
Tue Dec 8, 2015, 09:31 PM
Dec 2015

These guys already have a tendency to have emotional problems after coming home from deployment, even those who come home intact. I can't imagine what it would be like to have PTSD and have mutilated genitals. I hope they're successful with this surgery and I hope that they have many more successes. Anyone who has to go through that kind of trauma deserves all the compassion we can muster.

Snobblevitch

(1,958 posts)
79. So you're saying that a person with a spinal cord
Tue Dec 8, 2015, 10:01 PM
Dec 2015

injury should refuse surgery to restore their ability to walk, just to make a point?

 

alphafemale

(18,497 posts)
23. If that is their choice they should do that.
Mon Dec 7, 2015, 06:20 PM
Dec 2015

But it is amazing cruel of you to want deny another person what they wish to do with their own bodies because you don't like it.

loyalsister

(13,390 posts)
46. I think you misinterpreted
Mon Dec 7, 2015, 11:05 PM
Dec 2015

Of course people are free to choose. I said that I hope some will choose not to and will take the opportunity to disabuse people of stereotypes.

Response to loyalsister (Reply #46)

loyalsister

(13,390 posts)
55. That's classy
Tue Dec 8, 2015, 01:06 AM
Dec 2015

I'm saying that when people adapt and use their bodies as they are, it makes a body positive statement that is valuable to people who are in similar situations. Especially, in cases where modification is not possibile or desirable.

Our bodies change over time with injury and age. Adapting to the new body as it is, and moving on is healthy.

Response to loyalsister (Reply #55)

loyalsister

(13,390 posts)
65. I am not trying to make or remove any choices
Tue Dec 8, 2015, 04:48 AM
Dec 2015

My point is that people who adapt to their new bodies have an opportunity to shed some light on the issue of sexuality and disability. I am very sure that I know way more about this than most people.

It is an endless pursuit to educate people and hope to convince them that disability is not a tragic sexless, lonely existance. It's a shame how much resistance there is to accepting that there are people who value their different bodies and are so satisfied with how they have adapted that they wouldn't change it.

Response to loyalsister (Reply #65)

Snobblevitch

(1,958 posts)
80. If you were really motivated to prove your point.
Tue Dec 8, 2015, 10:08 PM
Dec 2015

you could have your own genitals mutilated and adapt to your new body.

loyalsister

(13,390 posts)
56. It's the idea of normalcy that is a stereotype
Tue Dec 8, 2015, 01:13 AM
Dec 2015

It is based on the assumption that there is a single normal way to have sex. I am saying that has been set as a stereotype that can be challenged and that a lot of people lead healthy sex lives without it.

Response to loyalsister (Reply #56)

 

alphafemale

(18,497 posts)
62. You are the one assigning that one choice is more noble than the other.
Tue Dec 8, 2015, 02:51 AM
Dec 2015

There is simply no such thing.

notadmblnd

(23,720 posts)
29. I would like to point out to you that breasts are not sex organs
Mon Dec 7, 2015, 06:38 PM
Dec 2015

And why would someone with what appears to be strong feminist views equate breasts with sex? Isn't that something feminists shame men for?

Response to notadmblnd (Reply #29)

notadmblnd

(23,720 posts)
35. I don't think you're going to get that answer from that particular poster
Mon Dec 7, 2015, 06:58 PM
Dec 2015

I tell you- my husband empathized so much he suffered for the dog when we had it neutered. I used to tease him because he slept with his hand over his penis when he slept. No matter how much I promised him that I wouldn't try to steal it he just couldn't break the habit. But yes, I can understand how men feel about that particular part of their body. And if they're anything like my husband was- you all guard it like it's Fort Knox.

Have a great evening!

Response to loyalsister (Reply #12)

 

philosslayer

(3,076 posts)
30. Is there a "stupid post of the day" contest that I wasn't aware of?
Mon Dec 7, 2015, 06:39 PM
Dec 2015

There must be a pretty good prize, because you sure are trying hard to earn it.

uppityperson

(115,680 posts)
37. What do you think of women who have had FGM?Do you hope someone mobilizes against reconstruction a
Mon Dec 7, 2015, 07:15 PM
Dec 2015

Do you hope someone mobilizes against reconstruction after FGM?

A better penis comparison is the clitoris, not breasts.

Response to uppityperson (Reply #37)

 

phleshdef

(11,936 posts)
67. Oh god, this is ridiculous nonsense. If you ever had a penis, you wouldn't be saying this.
Tue Dec 8, 2015, 09:48 AM
Dec 2015

As a man, who is not transgender, having a penis is NOT a stereotype. Its something I NEED TO HAVE. Not just for sex, but for normal urination. This is like saying that having legs is a stereotype.

backscatter712

(26,355 posts)
68. Um, no.
Tue Dec 8, 2015, 11:29 AM
Dec 2015

Losing a piece of your body sucks, and if the best treatment is a transplant to give that piece of the body back, I'm all for it.

This applies to men and women.

 

TipTok

(2,474 posts)
70. How about you let them do what they want with their bodies...
Tue Dec 8, 2015, 12:16 PM
Dec 2015

... and you and your high horse can just move along.

This is no different than reattaching an arm or leg or even one of the new face transplants.

Seriously, what the hell is wrong with you?

DawgHouse

(4,019 posts)
14. Much of what we know about treating traumatic injuries
Mon Dec 7, 2015, 05:53 PM
Dec 2015

is learned from the battlefield. I hope this is successful.

hunter

(38,328 posts)
15. No way I'd mess with immune-suppressing drugs for that.
Mon Dec 7, 2015, 06:00 PM
Dec 2015

I've got some scars in regions I keep covered in public, but had the surgeon asked, it was a long time ago when nobody ever questioned surgeons, I'd have preferred minimal scarring over appearances.

I've since had a few doctors tell me they could fix me up with a prosthetic testicle. Seriously, these things exist. My opinion, and my wife's opinion too, is "Why?" Okay, well maybe if the prosthetic had some sort of high technology bionic superpower embedded in it, or maybe just a bluetooth speaker that could play "Jingle Bells" for Christmas, or make "talking penis" jokes.

Returning to the original post, it's good to have these choices available, most especially for wounded veterans who are certainly traumatized in other ways beyond that particular injury.

Either way, it's not up to "doctors" to decide. There are pros and cons of every medical procedure and it's up to the medical professionals to describe the pros and cons clearly enough that the patient can make an informed decision.

Clearly that sort of injury can be "psychologically traumatic experience for males of all ages," as the National Institute of Health says, but that's not true for everyone. In my family tradition those bits are more often silly fun than they are serious components of personal identity.

Response to hunter (Reply #15)

hunter

(38,328 posts)
49. You're not reading me right.
Tue Dec 8, 2015, 12:12 AM
Dec 2015

Simply put, my penis is well worn, but still functional, if not cosmetically perfect, in spite of some surgeon's best efforts. He wanted it to look nice, I guess, but I'd have rather it didn't frequently hurt. It still hurts "down there" sometimes, but not so bad as the arthritis these days.

Maybe my dangling bits are not such a huge part of my personal identity that I'd replace them at the risk of transplant drugs.

Others might decide differently. It's not for the doctors or the accountants to decide this risk/benefit ratio.

It's the patient's body, it's the patient's decision, and we, as a nation owe severely injured veterans that choice.

Nevertheless, I still think our dangling human sexual bits and what we humans do with them are often silly.

I'm the sort who will start laughing at an overly serious sex scene in a seriously artistic movie, or even serious porn scenes.

Hell, I have no problem telling funny stories about my own sexual misadventures.

On the list of things I'd choose to have repaired about my physical self, I'd start with the asthma, then the brain chemistry, then the other peculiar immune system/arthritis disorder stuff. My dangling bits will just have to wait their turn. Testosterone is not my favorite steroid. Prednisone is, but alas, it makes me psychotic after a few days.

In middle and high school I was frequently bullied and called "queerbait" and other things worse. Sometimes I'd get beaten bloody. I quit high school. My biggest problem was not-breathing. I was a frequent flyer in the hospital emergency room. Then, in late adolescence, my mind got really strange.

Penis problems were not such a big deal to me.

I currently take crazy-meds that have a side effect of anorgasmia. Oh fun. Or not.

Other men are not me.

To lighten the mood, I'll post a video:







Response to hunter (Reply #49)

Response to Prism (Reply #74)

TexasBushwhacker

(20,214 posts)
50. They have them for dogs!
Tue Dec 8, 2015, 12:14 AM
Dec 2015

In order for a pure breed dog to compete in dog shows, it must be intact. But an owner may decide that dog shouldn't be bread. Perhaps it has already sired some pups with birth defects or they have another stud they prefer for breeding purposes. In any case, unless they are competing in a show that has an "altered" class, they won't be getting any ribbons.

Until the invention of NEUTICLES!

http://www.neuticles.com/facts.php

mikehiggins

(5,614 posts)
16. Wow! Let's hope this works.
Mon Dec 7, 2015, 06:05 PM
Dec 2015

Like the article says, lots of young men suffered serious damage to their genitals in the course of Bush's War. Other applications of such a technique might be controversial--there's always SOMEONE who has something to say about everything--but this is research well worth the money.

Kurska

(5,739 posts)
27. Awesome research
Mon Dec 7, 2015, 06:37 PM
Dec 2015

I wonder what the eventual implications could be for transgendered individuals. I imagine it will be more difficult with rejection rates and setting up the proper tubing to make it semi functional, but it seems like those are problems that could be overcome.

In the mean time, if it can make someone who was wounded fighting for their country feel more whole, I am all for it.

Kurska

(5,739 posts)
34. But Warren!
Mon Dec 7, 2015, 06:54 PM
Dec 2015

Something.. something.. uhh penis bad?

I mean I could understand outrage if this was being used for enhancement (well maybe, I imagine individuals with legitimate medical conditions micropenises would be thrilled at the prospect).

Kurska

(5,739 posts)
44. Oh man that guy
Mon Dec 7, 2015, 08:41 PM
Dec 2015

On one hand I'm sure he got paid a lot of money.

But now all of America knows what his o-face looks like.

Life is full of trade offs.

haikugal

(6,476 posts)
32. This is good news if it works...
Mon Dec 7, 2015, 06:44 PM
Dec 2015

I wonder if there would be any sensation? I hope so.

Good luck to these guys, they deserve everything possible that might help them.

uppityperson

(115,680 posts)
36. Good luck to them, this would be wonderful if it works. For those snerking 3rd grade "humor",
Mon Dec 7, 2015, 07:11 PM
Dec 2015

grow up.

This would be very good for those men who want it.

Warren DeMontague

(80,708 posts)
40. Anything, I would think, for wounded victims of war.
Mon Dec 7, 2015, 07:33 PM
Dec 2015

Of course the best alternative would be no war in the first place, clearly.

 

TeddyR

(2,493 posts)
41. Served in the military
Mon Dec 7, 2015, 07:36 PM
Dec 2015

Lucky enough to not get blown up. Hope the doctors do everything possible to help those who were injured.

TwilightGardener

(46,416 posts)
51. I sincerely hope it works. Urology has unfortunately been a booming business
Tue Dec 8, 2015, 12:15 AM
Dec 2015

for the military/VA, because of all the injuries. It's really a very sad consequence of the wars we fight, not humorous at all.

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