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Within a year, maybe in just a few months, a young soldier with a horrific injury from a bomb blast in Afghanistan will have an operation that has never been performed in the United States: a penis transplant.
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From 2001 to 2013, 1,367 men in military service suffered wounds to the genitals in Iraq or Afghanistan, according to the Department of Defense Trauma Registry. Nearly all were under 35 and were hurt by homemade bombs, commonly called improvised explosive devices, or I.E.D.s. Some lost all or part of their penises or testicles what doctors call genitourinary injuries.
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Some doctors have criticized the idea of penis transplants, saying they are not needed to save the patients life. But Dr. Richard J. Redett, director of pediatric plastic and reconstructive surgery at Johns Hopkins, said, If you meet these people, you see how important it is.
To be missing the penis and parts of the scrotum is devastating, Dr. Redett said. That part of the body is so strongly associated with your sense of self and identity as a male. These guys have given everything they have.
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/12/07/health/penis-transplants-being-planned-to-heal-troops-hidden-wounds.html
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(1,142 posts)firebrand80
(2,760 posts)philosslayer
(3,076 posts)You really find this humorous? Pretty sick if you ask me. These men deserve compassion, not jokes.
snooper2
(30,151 posts)Is it like any other organ from a fresh motorcycle accident?
Can you mix-n-match?
Qutzupalotl
(14,330 posts)JustABozoOnThisBus
(23,367 posts)I don't know what mix-n-match means. Would I care about a race/color match? I think I'd take anything that works.
951-Riverside
(7,234 posts)snpsmom
(685 posts)Hell Hath No Fury
(16,327 posts)Nothing funny about having your dick blown off by a bomb. I hope the operation is a success for that soldier, and I hope it can be used for others who suffer.
COLGATE4
(14,732 posts)Raster
(20,998 posts)Compassion and empathy.
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Codeine
(25,586 posts)And I have a very sturdy sense of humor.
backscatter712
(26,355 posts)More power to the doctors treating these soldiers.
Solly Mack
(90,787 posts)DetlefK
(16,423 posts)They can print you skin-transplants and recently made arteries. Theoretically they could print inner organs, but they always turn out too mushy and soft: The researchers need to find out how the cells in the inner organs grow so dense and well-organized.
MerryBlooms
(11,771 posts)loyalsister
(13,390 posts)the same way some women mobilized against breast reconstruction surgery. Both of these lines of thought serve to promote myths and stereotypes about people who have been injured and sexuality in general.
B2G
(9,766 posts)If it's a viable surgery that help people to overcome the major trauma of such events, who in the fuck would 'mobilize' such a thing?
People with all of their parts intact I would imagine.
loyalsister
(13,390 posts)It promotes stereotypes and myths about sexuality.
Women who choose not to have breast reconstruction are promoting health attitudes towards femaleness and female sexuality by not centering it in bodily characteristics as movies and popular culture have done.
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loyalsister
(13,390 posts)--- "Normal" sexual functioning allows a person to become a citizen- right? Given the way sex is treated as an initiation to adulthood, that is truly what people in the US believe.
The belief that a person is incomplete if their bodies don't function a particular way is ableist. People who have a range of disabilities, including spinal cord injuries have happy, healthy, sex lives.
How you compare accidents with intentional geniral mutiltion is beyond me.
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loyalsister
(13,390 posts)It is a set of widely held beliefs that sets a standard for bodily\intellectual normalcy and superiority. People who buy into it, implicitly devalue people whose bodies and minds do not meet that standard.
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TipTok
(2,474 posts)Sen. Walter Sobchak
(8,692 posts)I know such a person who suffered burns to his genitals, I think urinating without a catheter would have enormous appeal to him.
backscatter712
(26,355 posts)Thugs from the Taliban, Al Qaeda, Isis are deliberately planting these bombs, and deliberately rigging them at waist-level to maximize the chances of blowing someone's genitals off.
And I'm for using every bit of medical knowledge we've got to treat the troops with these kinds of injuries.
DashOneBravo
(2,679 posts)LuvNewcastle
(16,856 posts)These guys already have a tendency to have emotional problems after coming home from deployment, even those who come home intact. I can't imagine what it would be like to have PTSD and have mutilated genitals. I hope they're successful with this surgery and I hope that they have many more successes. Anyone who has to go through that kind of trauma deserves all the compassion we can muster.
Snobblevitch
(1,958 posts)injury should refuse surgery to restore their ability to walk, just to make a point?
ProudToBeBlueInRhody
(16,399 posts)Key word there.
alphafemale
(18,497 posts)But it is amazing cruel of you to want deny another person what they wish to do with their own bodies because you don't like it.
loyalsister
(13,390 posts)Of course people are free to choose. I said that I hope some will choose not to and will take the opportunity to disabuse people of stereotypes.
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loyalsister
(13,390 posts)I'm saying that when people adapt and use their bodies as they are, it makes a body positive statement that is valuable to people who are in similar situations. Especially, in cases where modification is not possibile or desirable.
Our bodies change over time with injury and age. Adapting to the new body as it is, and moving on is healthy.
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loyalsister
(13,390 posts)My point is that people who adapt to their new bodies have an opportunity to shed some light on the issue of sexuality and disability. I am very sure that I know way more about this than most people.
It is an endless pursuit to educate people and hope to convince them that disability is not a tragic sexless, lonely existance. It's a shame how much resistance there is to accepting that there are people who value their different bodies and are so satisfied with how they have adapted that they wouldn't change it.
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Snobblevitch
(1,958 posts)you could have your own genitals mutilated and adapt to your new body.
CBGLuthier
(12,723 posts)loyalsister
(13,390 posts)It is based on the assumption that there is a single normal way to have sex. I am saying that has been set as a stereotype that can be challenged and that a lot of people lead healthy sex lives without it.
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alphafemale
(18,497 posts)There is simply no such thing.
notadmblnd
(23,720 posts)And why would someone with what appears to be strong feminist views equate breasts with sex? Isn't that something feminists shame men for?
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notadmblnd
(23,720 posts)I tell you- my husband empathized so much he suffered for the dog when we had it neutered. I used to tease him because he slept with his hand over his penis when he slept. No matter how much I promised him that I wouldn't try to steal it he just couldn't break the habit. But yes, I can understand how men feel about that particular part of their body. And if they're anything like my husband was- you all guard it like it's Fort Knox.
Have a great evening!
Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)Borrow it, fine. But give it back!
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jonno99
(2,620 posts)Tree-Hugger
(3,370 posts)philosslayer
(3,076 posts)There must be a pretty good prize, because you sure are trying hard to earn it.
uppityperson
(115,680 posts)Do you hope someone mobilizes against reconstruction after FGM?
A better penis comparison is the clitoris, not breasts.
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Codeine
(25,586 posts)phleshdef
(11,936 posts)As a man, who is not transgender, having a penis is NOT a stereotype. Its something I NEED TO HAVE. Not just for sex, but for normal urination. This is like saying that having legs is a stereotype.
backscatter712
(26,355 posts)Losing a piece of your body sucks, and if the best treatment is a transplant to give that piece of the body back, I'm all for it.
This applies to men and women.
TipTok
(2,474 posts)... and you and your high horse can just move along.
This is no different than reattaching an arm or leg or even one of the new face transplants.
Seriously, what the hell is wrong with you?
DawgHouse
(4,019 posts)is learned from the battlefield. I hope this is successful.
hunter
(38,328 posts)I've got some scars in regions I keep covered in public, but had the surgeon asked, it was a long time ago when nobody ever questioned surgeons, I'd have preferred minimal scarring over appearances.
I've since had a few doctors tell me they could fix me up with a prosthetic testicle. Seriously, these things exist. My opinion, and my wife's opinion too, is "Why?" Okay, well maybe if the prosthetic had some sort of high technology bionic superpower embedded in it, or maybe just a bluetooth speaker that could play "Jingle Bells" for Christmas, or make "talking penis" jokes.
Returning to the original post, it's good to have these choices available, most especially for wounded veterans who are certainly traumatized in other ways beyond that particular injury.
Either way, it's not up to "doctors" to decide. There are pros and cons of every medical procedure and it's up to the medical professionals to describe the pros and cons clearly enough that the patient can make an informed decision.
Clearly that sort of injury can be "psychologically traumatic experience for males of all ages," as the National Institute of Health says, but that's not true for everyone. In my family tradition those bits are more often silly fun than they are serious components of personal identity.
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hunter
(38,328 posts)Simply put, my penis is well worn, but still functional, if not cosmetically perfect, in spite of some surgeon's best efforts. He wanted it to look nice, I guess, but I'd have rather it didn't frequently hurt. It still hurts "down there" sometimes, but not so bad as the arthritis these days.
Maybe my dangling bits are not such a huge part of my personal identity that I'd replace them at the risk of transplant drugs.
Others might decide differently. It's not for the doctors or the accountants to decide this risk/benefit ratio.
It's the patient's body, it's the patient's decision, and we, as a nation owe severely injured veterans that choice.
Nevertheless, I still think our dangling human sexual bits and what we humans do with them are often silly.
I'm the sort who will start laughing at an overly serious sex scene in a seriously artistic movie, or even serious porn scenes.
Hell, I have no problem telling funny stories about my own sexual misadventures.
On the list of things I'd choose to have repaired about my physical self, I'd start with the asthma, then the brain chemistry, then the other peculiar immune system/arthritis disorder stuff. My dangling bits will just have to wait their turn. Testosterone is not my favorite steroid. Prednisone is, but alas, it makes me psychotic after a few days.
In middle and high school I was frequently bullied and called "queerbait" and other things worse. Sometimes I'd get beaten bloody. I quit high school. My biggest problem was not-breathing. I was a frequent flyer in the hospital emergency room. Then, in late adolescence, my mind got really strange.
Penis problems were not such a big deal to me.
I currently take crazy-meds that have a side effect of anorgasmia. Oh fun. Or not.
Other men are not me.
To lighten the mood, I'll post a video:
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Prism
(5,815 posts)It rhymes with pique.
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TexasBushwhacker
(20,214 posts)In order for a pure breed dog to compete in dog shows, it must be intact. But an owner may decide that dog shouldn't be bread. Perhaps it has already sired some pups with birth defects or they have another stud they prefer for breeding purposes. In any case, unless they are competing in a show that has an "altered" class, they won't be getting any ribbons.
Until the invention of NEUTICLES!
http://www.neuticles.com/facts.php
hunter
(38,328 posts)A dog such as myself just has to find the right vet.
mikehiggins
(5,614 posts)Like the article says, lots of young men suffered serious damage to their genitals in the course of Bush's War. Other applications of such a technique might be controversial--there's always SOMEONE who has something to say about everything--but this is research well worth the money.
DashOneBravo
(2,679 posts)Kurska
(5,739 posts)I wonder what the eventual implications could be for transgendered individuals. I imagine it will be more difficult with rejection rates and setting up the proper tubing to make it semi functional, but it seems like those are problems that could be overcome.
In the mean time, if it can make someone who was wounded fighting for their country feel more whole, I am all for it.
Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)one would think.
Kurska
(5,739 posts)Something.. something.. uhh penis bad?
I mean I could understand outrage if this was being used for enhancement (well maybe, I imagine individuals with legitimate medical conditions micropenises would be thrilled at the prospect).
Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)Kurska
(5,739 posts)On one hand I'm sure he got paid a lot of money.
But now all of America knows what his o-face looks like.
Life is full of trade offs.
haikugal
(6,476 posts)I wonder if there would be any sensation? I hope so.
Good luck to these guys, they deserve everything possible that might help them.
uppityperson
(115,680 posts)grow up.
This would be very good for those men who want it.
Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)Of course the best alternative would be no war in the first place, clearly.
TeddyR
(2,493 posts)Lucky enough to not get blown up. Hope the doctors do everything possible to help those who were injured.
TwilightGardener
(46,416 posts)for the military/VA, because of all the injuries. It's really a very sad consequence of the wars we fight, not humorous at all.