RW Fundamentalist Message To Nonbelievers - You Must Repent & Convert.

[TheMastersNemesis]

The background message to the country from RW fundies is that those of us who are NOT believers must repent and convert. They have the absolute truth.

[malaise]

1. Or fugging what?

Hey Fundies - go Cheney yourselves and prey on morons like yourselves

[yourout]

2. And that is different from the Taliban how????

Religious wackos come in many flavors.

[6chars]

11. There is a pretty important difference that makes the Taliban types worse

Can you guess what it is?

[madinmaryland]

16. The Taliban invades a country based on lies, killing hundreds of thousands

of citizens of that nation?

[FrodosPet]

18. That is a pretty good description of what they did

http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2001-10-12/news/0110120312_1_taliban-fighters-massacres-in-recent-years-mullah-mohammed-omar

October 12, 2001 | By Edward A. Gargan, Special to the Tribune.

ISLAMABAD, Pakistan — Fighters and commanders of Afghanistan's Taliban militia committed systematic massacres in recent years while trying to consolidate control over northern and western Afghanistan, according to confidential UN documents made available to Newsday.

The reports, written by United Nations personnel in Afghanistan, say such mass killings were ordered or approved by Taliban leader Mullah Mohammed Omar.

~ snip ~

At Yakaolang, as in other such massacres, the Taliban, ethnic Pashtuns of the Sunni sect of Islam, particularly targeted ethnic Hazaras, who belong to the Shiite sect.

~ snip ~

Other massacres reportedly took place in the villages of Bedmushkin and in Nayak. On Jan. 6 in Nayak, the report said, Taliban fighters in eight pickups entered the village. Over the next five hours, "the Taliban search party rounded up all of the males they could find." Taliban fighters eventually "shot them in firing squads."

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http://articles.chicagotribune.com/1998-01-08/news/9801080100_1_taliban-religious-army-opposition-spokesman-afghanistan

Taliban Accused Of Massacring 600

January 08, 1998 | By From Tribune News Services.

AFGHANISTAN — At least 600 civilians were dragged from their homes and shot to death by the Taliban religious army, prompting thousands to flee northwestern Afghanistan, opponents of the regime claimed Wednesday.

Meanwhile, the Taliban also are denying emergency food to 160,000 hungry people in opposition territory for military and political reasons, UN officials said Wednesday.

The Taliban's Islamic militia seized Afghanistan's capital, Kabul, in September 1996 and controls roughly 85 percent of the country.

~ snip ~

[6chars]

21. No, that's not it.

What do you think Franklin Graham or Rick Perry will do if you don't convert?

OK, now what do you think ISIS would do if they asked you to convert and you refused?

There really is a doctrinal difference that you may be able to figure out.

[madinmaryland]

22. As compared to what Bush and Cheney and that whole gang did?

As for Graham and Perry, they will go to the Koch Brothers, et al, to get more money to destroy more lives in this country. Not killing, but ruining.

[FrodosPet]

23. Yep, being a Christian apostate is A LOT safer than being a Muslim apostate.

What do you think Franklin Graham or Rick Perry will do if you don't convert?

They will call me a sinner and say I am going to hell when I die.

OK, now what do you think ISIS would do if they asked you to convert and you refused?

They will call me a sinner and say I am going to hell when I die. And then they will try to expedite the trip.

There really is a doctrinal difference that you may be able to figure out.

Yep, I figured it out a long time ago. Alas, sharing that information makes people call you bad names.

[6chars]

26. We have a winner, folks!

The being killed part really is by far worse than the being called a sinner part.

Creating false moral equivalences lets evil thrive.

[FiveGoodMen]

34. If you go back in history a little bit, you'll see that christians did lots of torture and killing

Stopping only when more modern secular governments drew the line on church power.

And the current crop are fighting for the ability to start it all up again.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/jan/16/panama-burial-pit-children-exorcisms-religious-sect

[LostOne4Ever]

27. What do you think the Anti-balaka will do if you don't convert?

https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2015/07/erased-identity-muslims-in-the-central-african-republic-in-pictures/


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[6chars]

30. Sure is horrible that Jesus and Abraham said convert or die.

[onecaliberal]

3. This is different from sharia law how exactly?

[FrodosPet]

6. Because it is OK to rightfully criticize whacko fundy Christians and Christianity,

But you are an Islamophobe if you criticize fundy Muslims and Islam for the exact same reasons.

[Arugula Latte]

12. Fuck all religion. It's all mythology and nonsense.

There, that should cover it.

[SammyWinstonJack]

14. Covers it for me.

[FrodosPet]

15. Pretty much, yes

One on one, most people are awesome, even if they say things that make me cringe.

But oftentimes, when they gather together in groups, things turn to manure pretty quickly. And not the good kind that helps your roses and tomato plants grow.

[smirkymonkey]

32. Yep.

Pretty much what I think.

[madinmaryland]

17. Actually it is the criticism all wacko fundy religions that should be happening. nt

[FrodosPet]

19. Yes, that is exactly what should be happening

But one gets a pass from people who should not be giving it a pass.

(Hint: It's not the lower case letter t worshipers that seem to be protected from criticism)

[cpwm17]

28. "Gets a pass"? Are you kidding?

Muslims get brutalized by the US. Did you see the last debate? It was all about scary Muslims and war. So you can't stand the fact that US liberals don't want to join in on the crusade.

The US, and US supported Israel, have bombed 14 Muslim majority nations in recent history. The war mongers in the US are what we should be concerned about. They are responsible for so much death and destruction in this world.

The US destroys secular governments and supports the crazies in Muslim majority nations. Now that things have taken a bad turn for the worst in those same Muslim majority nations, people here have the nerve to condemn Muslims for being inferior.

But it is many Americans that seem to have so little respect for human life, more so than most of the rest of the world.

http://www.gallup.com/poll/157067/views-violence.aspx

While the majority of world citizens agree that military attacks targeting civilians are never justified, a decade after 9/11, there is a wide range in the level of support for this view. A clear majority in Asia and MENA (Middle East and North Africa) find military attacks against civilians unacceptable. This is not surprising considering the acute conflicts raging in Afghanistan, Pakistan, Iraq, and other parts of the Middle East.

In contrast, regionally, residents of the U.S. and Canada are most likely to say that military attacks against civilians are sometimes justified. Americans are the most likely population in the world (49%) to believe military attacks targeting civilians is sometimes justified, followed by residents of Haiti and Israel (43%).

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[Warpy]

4. SOL, aint they?

The best zealots could hope for is anemic lip service, even during the Inquisition. We skeptics have been irritants for a very long time.

Good for us, I say. No one is more unpleasant than some zealot bucking for sainthood by saving souls not his own.

[saltpoint]

5. I'd maybe be in favor of the Francis of

Assissi model. The Tony Perkins / Jim Dobson / Franklin Graham model can go fuck itself.

These folks are obnoxious and hypocritical. They butt their way into public institutions -- the public schools, state legislatures, etc. -- and insist that these all be changed to their liking and on their terms.

[mwrguy]

7. But we should be scared to death of ISIS

[FrodosPet]

13. Is this an either/or thing?

If you recognize the dangers of fundamentalist Islam, that means you support fundamentalist Christianity?

If you think it fucked up that gays, rape victims, religious minorities, apostates, and Muslims of other sects are being massacred, then you plan on voting for Ted Cruz?

[annabanana]

8. not exactly "background". . .n/t

[Igel]

9. Lots of moral and religious messages bear this imprint.

Let me know how it goes next time you hear a moralist get up and say, "Well, gee, I believe this but I can't say that it's right for everybody. I might be wrong, and, to be honest, I suspect that these other moral beliefs are actually superior."

That goes for most Xians, Muslims, more than a few from other faiths, as well as socialists and liberation theologians, those involved in BlackLivesMatter and people that want single-payer healthcare ...

Any issue that anybody stands up and says, "You know, you're just wrong about this. You should admit it and change your mind to become more like me or my group."

Heck, I've heard that kind of talk--not "repent and convert," but the secular equivalents--in discussions of Rush versus Led Zeppelin, Beatles versus Rolling Stones, rock versus country/western. Or Chicago deep-dish versus thin crust, whole-wheat versus white.

And let's not get started over vaccinations, GMO, refined sugar ... or that old standby, carob versus chocolate.

[LiberalElite]

10. "carob vs. chocolate"??

I'd eat em' both.

[gratuitous]

20. Serve one another in love, mofo!

That is, if you consider that something to be worthwhile.

[LostOne4Ever]

24. I like this girls reply to RW fundamentalists:

[PersonNumber503602]

25. Who and where?

[Bluenorthwest]

29. And yet the Pope has the same message and the same 'hit list' aginst LGBT and women's

rights and he's considered a hero on DU because when he's not ranting about abortion being baby murder or marriage equality being Satan's idea he mentions that people should give to the poor.
So really this routine of bashing at some religions while lauding others who practice the same things is sort of naff. Francis is Rick Warren if Rick shopped in the silky robes department.

[Lizzie Poppet]

31. That's the core message of Christianity itself.

It's just that the large majority of Christians are urging one to convert, not forcing conversion, a la the Inquisition. But the assertion that repentance and acceptance of Christ is absolutely necessary for salvation is central to the faith's doctrine.

I have no problem with that, so long as the Christians I meet are of the majority: people who recognize that conversion must be of the convert's own volition, and who simply urge me to do so. Those folk, most of them, are doing something that they genuinely believe is doing me (an atheist) an enormous service. To me that's an admirable motivation. There's nothing in it for them; to the best of my knowledge, God doesn't pay a finder's fee.

Introduce coercion, and we've got a problem.

[Lars39]

33. Relentless efforts of conversion and shunning

resulting in familial isolation would fall under 'coercion', imo.
Not pleasant to experience and gets old really fast.