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how is that even fair?
Mean ACLU Wont Let Hospital Refuse Ladyparts Care For Jesus Reasons
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probably easier than a lawsuit, honestly
One day, we will make it big and be rolling in money. Haha not from blogging, silly. Dealing drugs, maybe, or trafficking in delicious baby parts. When we do, we are gonna donate so much monies to the good people at the ACLU, which just will not stop suing the living shit out of Catholic hospitals for failing to provide basic reproductive health care to people with lady parts.
On Tuesday, the ACLU of Northern California filed a lawsuit against creepy creepy Dignity Health, a chain of Catholic hospitals based out of San Francisco. Why is the ACLU all up in Catholicisms business this time? Because their hospital in beautiful Redding, California, Mercy Medical Center, wont let a perfectly nice lady get a tubal ligation, because of Jesus.
The woman, Rebecca Chamorro, 33, of Redding, has two children and is due to give birth to her third by cesarean section in late January. She and her husband say they have decided not to have more children, and their doctor has agreed to perform the tubal ligation immediately after delivery, when the operation is most commonly carried out.
Mercy Medical Center, the only hospital with a delivery room in at least a 70-mile radius of where Chamorro lives, sent a letter to her doctor in September saying the operation violated the ethical and religious directives that govern Catholic hospitals. Ah, yes. The ethical and religious directives that govern Catholic hospitals. Let us provide you with a helpful translation: We dont care about women even a little bit because were basically repulsed by their bodies, unless they are shoving out a baby, in which case, cool.
Now, why does this lady need to tie off some of her lady parts while she is birthing her baby? Because that is ideally when it is done, stupid.
Chamorro wants her tubal ligation done in the hospital during her scheduled C-section to save the time, cost and potential trauma of a second surgery. [
] Its considered more cost-effective to do the procedure after a C-section, when a womans abdomen is open and shes under anesthesia.
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SickOfTheOnePct
(7,290 posts)to force a religious hospital to perform an elective procedure that violates the tenets of the religion.
niyad
(113,318 posts)of the health care business altogether, or starts actually providing complete health care for ALL its clients (do remember that, in many, many cases, the catholic health care system is the ONLY one available.)
SickOfTheOnePct
(7,290 posts)My recommendation would be that they shut down the Catholic hospitals completely. No problem with religious objections then.
rug
(82,333 posts)niyad
(113,318 posts)rug
(82,333 posts)rug
(82,333 posts)cleanhippie
(19,705 posts)Because they don't want women to have choice.
jonno99
(2,620 posts)I wonder if there are other possible reasons?
rug
(82,333 posts)They spent millions of dollars per hospital for the sole purpose of denying women choice.
Could not be any other possible reason.
SickOfTheOnePct
(7,290 posts)ljm2002
(10,751 posts)...hospitals serve the public. Either the hospital only admits believers, in which case their bottom line will suffer, or they treat everyone with the most complete health care available.
They don't get to force their religious beliefs on others.
If Catholic women wish to have their choices limited, let them go to Catholics-only hospitals, that are clearly labeled such and that turn away non-believers at the door. I could accept that.
SickOfTheOnePct
(7,290 posts)The Catholic hospitals should all just close and let the communities they currently serve find healthcare elsewhere.
Alternatively, they could refuse to accept Medicaid, Medicare and Tricare, and then the "but they accept government funding" argument would be gone.
ljm2002
(10,751 posts)...but if they do want to continue to exist, then if they let in only the believers as I suggested, then they would not be allowed to accept any government money either.
SickOfTheOnePct
(7,290 posts)which is really just insurance payments from Medicaid, Medicare & Tricare for services rendered, is that they could then continue to operate and serve at least some of the local population.
But the best thing overall would probably be to just shut down and not provide care to anyone. I'm sure there are other entities that would be willing to take over the hospital and provide care to the locals.
ljm2002
(10,751 posts)...this stuff just makes me so mad!
pnwmom
(108,978 posts)shouldn't get a dime of Federal or state funds.
SickOfTheOnePct
(7,290 posts)Just keep in mind that those funds are in the form of payment for services rendered to Medicaid, Medicare and Tricare patients.
As I said before, the hospital should either forego patients receiving Medicaid, Medicare and Tricare or simply shut down altogether and let the local population find healthcare elsewhere.
hobbit709
(41,694 posts)rug
(82,333 posts)Paragraph 4 lays out the legal basis for the suit: the hospital receives state funds. The hospital will lose.
niyad
(113,318 posts)sweetapogee
(1,168 posts)Insist that every hospital that receives state funds should offer level 1 trauma services. Trauma is generally not elective treatment.
There should be a hospital within a five minute drive to every citizen in the US.
rug
(82,333 posts)pnwmom
(108,978 posts)You've got to be kidding.
This is why we have 911 and paramedics.
SickOfTheOnePct
(7,290 posts)Well said.
XemaSab
(60,212 posts)There are three hospitals in the county, and the county's twice the size of Delaware.
If you're within 45 minutes of a hospital, you're doing alright.
Tierra_y_Libertad
(50,414 posts)jonno99
(2,620 posts)Tierra_y_Libertad
(50,414 posts)Nye Bevan
(25,406 posts)Anyone?
rug
(82,333 posts)NutmegYankee
(16,199 posts)rug
(82,333 posts)NutmegYankee
(16,199 posts)rug
(82,333 posts)NutmegYankee
(16,199 posts)I specifically avoid the King James versions - worst translation ever.
jonno99
(2,620 posts)NutmegYankee
(16,199 posts)This was of course done on purpose to make it seem old and authoritative (even in 1611), but is really bad today as people really don't understand the text given that no one speaks like that.
NutmegYankee
(16,199 posts)I'm curious what you mean in the context of Psalms. At the end of the day, Christianity is about following the teachings of Christ, not that of some unknown poet who lived long before him. It's no different than the letters that Paul wrote also have no real theological direction - Paul wasn't Christ and was afflicted with the normal biases of his time. He was also contradictory a lot, telling each group different things, mainly because he never thought his letters would be publicly read by everybody.
rug
(82,333 posts)It was a response to the post.
I don't think you can discount the Old Testament when discussing Christ. The Gospel last week was about Jesus as a child amazing the elders in the Temple with his knowledge of the Law (while Joseph and Mary were pulling their hair out looking for him.) He was very much an observant Jew of his time. The trick is to reconcile the entire book.
NutmegYankee
(16,199 posts)But aside from that, even Jews do not consider the Psalms to be rules to follow.
rug
(82,333 posts)NutmegYankee
(16,199 posts)Unless ones faith is no faith at all.
rug
(82,333 posts)There are no incantations or rituals that circumscribe the supernatural. But there are precise formulae to manipulate elements.
The measure of a religion is how one lives, not how well one follows the rules, although they are not mutually exclusive.
Here are some red letters from Matthew (NIV):
23 Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You give a tenth of your spicesmint, dill and cumin. But you have neglected the more important matters of the lawjustice, mercy and faithfulness. You should have practiced the latter, without neglecting the former. 24 You blind guides! You strain out a gnat but swallow a camel.
25 Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You clean the outside of the cup and dish, but inside they are full of greed and self-indulgence. 26 Blind Pharisee! First clean the inside of the cup and dish, and then the outside also will be clean.
27 Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You are like whitewashed tombs, which look beautiful on the outside but on the inside are full of the bones of the dead and everything unclean. 28 In the same way, on the outside you appear to people as righteous but on the inside you are full of hypocrisy and wickedness.
NutmegYankee
(16,199 posts)rug
(82,333 posts)Not to take away from its guidelines.
Moral Compass
(1,521 posts)Catholic hospital in St. Louis 23 years ago refused to do a tubal ligation for my wife.
At the time we just let it roll.
Humanist_Activist
(7,670 posts)Barnes-Jewish, even after her OB-GYN's office was folded into Mercy recently.
ON EDIT: We are well aware that a pregnancy will be high risk as a default, so we would prefer to go somewhere where women are treated as patients, not incubators.
Moral Compass
(1,521 posts)My wife's pregnancy was high risk and my youngest almost didn't make it. But the care was expert (before the birth and in the NICU) and I have a wonderful, beautiful, brilliant daughter.
I did not agree with their position and if not for the outcome might have gone to the ACLU myself.
Instead, I got a vasectomy a few years later.
It is a grotesque violation of medical ethics in my view.
It was over reproductive rights and contraception specifically I left the Church at 13.
Even though Pope Francis is a really great guy and the world loves him he has not changed Catholicism's anti-feminine, anti-sex dogma. A dogma not rooted in the teachings of Christ but in the twisted prudery of old bitter men.
xmas74
(29,674 posts)I knew someone years ago who had their kidney transplant there. I visited back then and I absolutely adored the staff. Professional but courteous and fantastic bedside manner.
Two years later a coworker found out she had brain cancer. Instead of going to MU (which would have been closest to where we all lived at the time) she chose to Barnes-Jewish. We had driven up together to visit the other coworker and she loved it. Her soon lived in St Charles at the time so she had someplace to stay after each treatment.
I'd use them in a heartbeat if they weren't clear on the other side of the state.
Humanist_Activist
(7,670 posts)Washington University's/BJC Orthopedic center is one of the best in the country, and her surgeon is one of the top ones there.
rug
(82,333 posts)Hekate
(90,704 posts)She had an obstetrical history that made the good doctor encourage her to quit after the current pregnancy, and since he was concerned she might have to have a C-section (my brother was sideways), he suggested tubal ligation.
But he was Catholic. His solution to the strictures of his religion was this: he would deliver the baby, then turn his back while a colleague performed the tubal ligation.
Fortunately my brother turned head down at the last minute and was able to be delivered vaginally. My Dad had a vasectomy. The hospital was a non-religious institution.
This is part of the family lore I was raised with, and I took several lessons from it. The first and foremost was that doctors don't have to be stupid and they know more about medicine than priests.
I have nothing against Catholic hospitals per se, but the older I get the more I see the truth of what was written down in novels well over a century ago: Don't send your pregnant wife or daughter to a Catholic hospital, because in case of complications, they will sacrifice the mother to save the child. Add to that: Nor will they help you with contraception even in case of rape.
As far as I am concerned, THE biggest problem with hospital closures and consolidations is how it leaves women with no options other than traveling an hour or more to find a non-religious hospital. I give the Catholics props for keeping hospitals open at all, but we sure need more options available.
Oh, and any entity that accepts federal and state money needs to abide by state and federal regulations. "Conscience clauses," my rosy Irish ass.
pnwmom
(108,978 posts)Hekate
(90,704 posts)...not only will the stories be lost, but younger and younger women will have nothing to counter the toxic propaganda of the anti-women's health crusaders.