We have a sick nation

[Stargazer99]

Killing school children
Killing at McDonald's
the domestic killing and abuse of mainly women
the killing of children by parents

Why not have experts "shrinks" teach the public how to spot an abuser, how to spot a potential killer?
We don't have enough money to publicly produce this information nationally? Is that the excuse? We have plenty of money for corporate tax breaks and off shore hiding of income....where are the values of this "great country" what a laugh "great country"

Anybody got ideas on why the public is not educated on recognizing these problem people so one can avoid the sickness and killing of body and spirit that shows it evil ugly head constantly in this nation?

I expect there won't be any responses. We as citizens are too damn complacent or self-centered to give a damn.

[ohheckyeah]

1. Even professionals have trouble spotting

An abuser or ptetential killer.it's isn't easy or necessarily learnable.

[HereSince1628]

15. It goes beyond 'experts having trouble spotting' the experts of the APA

actually say there isn't a way to do it.

What emerges when you ask a profession to do something that it isn't trained to do is a lot of mistakes.

In this case the mistakes are false positive identifications that a person is a threat to property, others, or self.

If it stopped at just the freedom to buy a gun there wouldn't be much of a foul.

But the process of requiring psychologists to make low accuracy predictions would also serve as evidence that "authorities", aka the folks who run our lives, think mentally ill people are the problem. That would add a huge push to institutionalize stigma which is to say prejudice and discrimination against the mentally ill. That stigma already runs pretty high and is a major source of both unemployment among persons diagnosed mentally ill, and avoidance of treatment by persons with mental disorders for fear of the discrimination and prejudice that will be mounted against them and their intimate relations.

[NutmegYankee]

2. Most people would just persecute innocent people who are different than them.

Many gunmen are for instance described as loners, yet millions of introverts don't murder or even want to harm people. Nonetheless, they are treated as deviants by others.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

3. America Is the Only Country That Went from Barbarism to Decadence Without Civilization In Between.

Variously attributed to:

Ogden Nash? George Bernard Shaw? James Agate? La Liberté? Winston Churchill? Henry James? Oscar Wilde? Georges Clemenceau?

[Nitram]

8. Facile characterization by an effete but clever creator of aphorisms.

Define "civilization."

[jonno99]

4. I would posit that there is a "spiritual" element missing in the lives of many of the perpetrators

of the events you describe; but that position seems to be unpopular here at DU - so I'll keep it to myself...

[ronnie624]

12. In my opinion,

an education that focuses on rational thinking, basic math and understanding fundamental scientific principles, would be more useful than 'spirituality'.

But I'm an atheist, so...

[Brickbat]

5. "Why not have experts 'shrinks' teach the public how to spot an abuser, how to spot a potential

killer?"

Why not work to prevent people from becoming these things?

[madokie]

7. Fairness, opportunity, jobs, security

health, fun, relaxation. All of those would make a big difference. But no we have to coddle the few who have it all and the hell with the rest of us.

The answer is in what I just typed, not necessarily just what I typed either. Lots more to it but those few would go a long ways towards a just world that we all can share and be happy in.

Share is the magic word in all this

[Stargazer99]

10. the nation is not interested in preventing killers and abusers

[Brickbat]

11. Neither are you, it seems.

[hfojvt]

6. most of those problems

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are smaller than they were two or three decades ago.

The homicide rate is about 4.7 per 100,000.

Why attack a "nation" for the actions of a few?

The non-homicide rate appears to be 99,995.3.

Isn't that 99.995% pure?

You want us to be able to "recognize" "problem people". So we can do what? Imprison people BEFORE they commit a crime? Or force some kind of "treatment" on people BEFORE they commit a crime?

I don't think I am brave enough for that sort of new world.

[Stargazer99]

9. there are signs of abusers...what would be the harm of alerting women?

[CrispyQ]

13. You're addressing symptoms, not the underlying problem,

which is why do we have so many (mostly) men who resort to violence? If we had an economy that worked for everyone & not just the few, that would help, a lot. Then if we could redefine western masculinity, that would take care of most of the rest.

[Arugula Latte]

14. I told my daughter about the warning signs of a controlling, abusive man

and that if she ever starts to date one and sees any of these signs, she should get out as fast as possible.

She's still very young, but I want her to be aware down the road.

http://theindiechicks.com/signs-of-a-controlling-man-9-red-flags/