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n2doc

(47,953 posts)
Sat Jan 2, 2016, 07:09 PM Jan 2016

Wyoming Makes It Illegal To Collect Evidence Of Pollution On Public Property

By John Vibes

The state of Wyoming recently passed Senate Bill 12, the Data Trespass Bill, which will prevent people from collecting evidence of pollution, even on public lands. The bill prohibits the “collecting of information” on property that the person does not own, even public and federal land.

According to the text of the bill, it is now illegal to “take a sample of material, acquire, gather, photograph or otherwise preserve information in any form from open land which is submitted or intended to be submitted to any agency of the state or federal government.”


Simply taking a picture or collecting trash from a polluted stream could lead to $5,000 in fines and a year in prison.

Justin Pidot, an assistant professor at the University of Denver Sturm College of Law recently told Think Progress that, “People on the ground, who have been engaged in this kind of data collection in the past, now have to face the worry about being potentially prosecuted. The chilling effect on citizen participation is huge.”

“This is sort of a new tactic we’re seeing, where state governments are trying to build legal rules that prevent people from uncovering information about favored industrial groups. I think it’s very concerning as a phenomenon,” he added.


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http://www.activistpost.com/2016/01/us-state-makes-it-illegal-to-collect-evidence-of-pollution-on-public-property.html

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Wyoming Makes It Illegal To Collect Evidence Of Pollution On Public Property (Original Post) n2doc Jan 2016 OP
Wyo sucks. Buzz Clik Jan 2016 #1
Love the family values. GeorgeGist Jan 2016 #2
Pardon my language..... daleanime Jan 2016 #3
TOTALLY fucked up! elleng Jan 2016 #4
From "Give a hoot, don't pollute" to "If you hoot we'll throw you in jail"? ck4829 Jan 2016 #5
Gross. H2O Man Jan 2016 #6
I guess "public" doesn't mean what it used to. . .n/t annabanana Jan 2016 #7
Isn't Cheney from here? sonofspy777 Jan 2016 #8
yes elleng Jan 2016 #9
An oddly worded bill, imo. grntuscarora Jan 2016 #10
So, I suppose you post it to youtube, pnwmom Jan 2016 #12
I'm not defending the bill, believe me! grntuscarora Jan 2016 #14
It's a terrible law and Wyoming should be ashamed. n/t pnwmom Jan 2016 #17
I absolutely agree. grntuscarora Jan 2016 #19
I'm thinking things like soil tests or court cases Cal Carpenter Jan 2016 #21
Yes, I see your point. grntuscarora Jan 2016 #25
I imagine this is more about trials of corporations than arresting people. Cassiopeia Jan 2016 #32
How can a law prohibiting photography on public land be constitutional? pnwmom Jan 2016 #11
It can't. I hope. nt SusanCalvin Jan 2016 #13
I don't think it would be. Then again, Scalia may have a different opinion. nt Live and Learn Jan 2016 #29
If you researched who serves in state legislatures (& thus writes these bills)--especially in hlthe2b Jan 2016 #15
Wow. So they elect people who didn't even finish high school? That does explain a lot. n/t pnwmom Jan 2016 #18
I certainly won't say they are the majority, but I've known some who are hlthe2b Jan 2016 #20
Thanks for the info. I'm sure you're right, and it explains a lot. nt pnwmom Jan 2016 #22
Hey, I have a lot of respect for the legislature in my rural state cali Jan 2016 #24
re: I clearly was not denigrating ALL legislators nor state legislatures, so.... hlthe2b Jan 2016 #38
Yep, coal and oil interests are well represented in Wyoming. jwirr Jan 2016 #31
Arbitrary, capricious and stupid as hell. tabasco Jan 2016 #16
Already not looking like this law will stand: cali Jan 2016 #23
The constitutionality of this law is highly questionable. MohRokTah Jan 2016 #26
Open dumping in Wyoming is not only legal but encouraged Simeon Salus Jan 2016 #27
just as ag/gags, this will go down in flames. nt restorefreedom Jan 2016 #28
Shameful. JohnnyRingo Jan 2016 #30
Those rightwing nut jobs won't be happy until elmac Jan 2016 #33
With their headquarters located SwankyXomb Jan 2016 #36
Interesting... Thespian2 Jan 2016 #34
Surely this will be tested and challenged and ultimately declared unconstitutional Bernardo de La Paz Jan 2016 #35
Why do I smell Koch Brothers/ALEC all over this law? Botany Jan 2016 #37
Probably because their blood-stained fingers are all over this gratuitous Jan 2016 #41
So if Michigan had this law elmac Jan 2016 #39
. Omaha Steve Jan 2016 #40

grntuscarora

(1,249 posts)
10. An oddly worded bill, imo.
Sat Jan 2, 2016, 07:34 PM
Jan 2016

So it's illegal to “take a sample of material, acquire, gather, photograph or otherwise preserve information in any form from open land which is submitted or intended to be submitted to any agency of the state or federal government.”

It doesn't appear to prevent someone from posting info to youtube, a blog, or even share it with a news agency. Frankly, direct submission to "any agency of the state or federal government" is a pretty good way to get your info buried, and what activist would waste their time with that?

But perhaps there is more in the bill than what was in the linked article.

I have a feeling the courts will be getting involved, and I hope they protect the taxpayers that own that public land!

grntuscarora

(1,249 posts)
14. I'm not defending the bill, believe me!
Sat Jan 2, 2016, 07:44 PM
Jan 2016

It seems though, that often, once info is made public, and general ire is aroused, the ptb have to deal with it, whether they want to or not. And the original poster's defense could be that she had No intent to submit it to a government agency.
But I'm just speculating on very little info.


Cal Carpenter

(4,959 posts)
21. I'm thinking things like soil tests or court cases
Sat Jan 2, 2016, 08:03 PM
Jan 2016

I've taken soil samples to be sent to the state university extension program who do a thorough analysis. Seems like it would be illegal to do that if the sample is from open land.

Or if you manage to get the results of such a test through a private company, maybe this law would make it illegal to submit that as evidence in court, for example.

I don't know, without being a legal or pollution expert, I can still see some ways that this could be really, really bad as far as citizens having the ability to expose abuse of public lands.

grntuscarora

(1,249 posts)
25. Yes, I see your point.
Sat Jan 2, 2016, 08:29 PM
Jan 2016

My first reaction to something like this is to look for the loopholes and to start thinking of ways to get around it. But that would be enormously difficult to do in the example you gave.

I hope the courts do the right thing and kill it!

Cassiopeia

(2,603 posts)
32. I imagine this is more about trials of corporations than arresting people.
Sat Jan 2, 2016, 09:40 PM
Jan 2016

If any prosecution by a government agency is started they now have an easy way to get "illegally" obtained evidence thrown out of a trial.

hlthe2b

(102,278 posts)
15. If you researched who serves in state legislatures (& thus writes these bills)--especially in
Sat Jan 2, 2016, 07:49 PM
Jan 2016

smaller, sparsely populated states, you would be shocked and then likely nod as to how this could have been written and passed. Having had to deal with legislators in the past, it was an eye opening (and very disillusioning) experience. While I appreciate that a PhD or masters degree is not a prerequisite for public service, I think that most should have at least completed high school. This is NOT a given in many state legislatures. Granted there are brilliant people who never make it to college, but I do believe they are the exception.

hlthe2b

(102,278 posts)
20. I certainly won't say they are the majority, but I've known some who are
Sat Jan 2, 2016, 07:59 PM
Jan 2016

If you check thoroughly, you might even find that to be the case in smaller districts in even larger states.

I really don't think I'm being an educational "elitist" to be a bit shocked by that fact.

My idealism went out the window when I realized exactly why so many had no intention of deciding issues based on facts presented, rather than emotion or ideology.

 

cali

(114,904 posts)
24. Hey, I have a lot of respect for the legislature in my rural state
Sat Jan 2, 2016, 08:17 PM
Jan 2016

And most of them are college grads

hlthe2b

(102,278 posts)
38. re: I clearly was not denigrating ALL legislators nor state legislatures, so....
Sat Jan 2, 2016, 10:24 PM
Jan 2016

I am happy you are happy.

 

tabasco

(22,974 posts)
16. Arbitrary, capricious and stupid as hell.
Sat Jan 2, 2016, 07:51 PM
Jan 2016

This law needs to become null and void and the idiots who voted for it flogged in public.

 

cali

(114,904 posts)
23. Already not looking like this law will stand:
Sat Jan 2, 2016, 08:09 PM
Jan 2016


A federal judge has rejected the state of Wyoming's motion to dismiss a lawsuit aimed at striking down a pair of laws that make it illegal to collect data from public lands without first gaining permission.

U.S. District Court Judge Scott Skavdahl issued the order on Monday, finding that Wyoming's "data trespass" laws may unconstitutionally criminalize activities such as photography on public lands.

Groups suing the state say the case strikes at the heart of free speech and the right to petition the government as protected under the First Amendment, as well as equal protection under the Fourteenth Amendment. "A law that makes sharing photos of Devil's Tower or Yellowstone a punishable offense just isn't consistent with Americans' right to Free Speech," Natural Resources Defense Council senior attorney Michael Wall said in a prepared statement.

Earlier this year, the Wyoming Legislature passed Senate File 12 creating the crime of trespassing to collect data, and Senate File 80, which made the practice a civil violation. Key in the language of the statutes is the application to all "open lands" outside of municipalities.

"At this stage, the Court finds it difficult to conceive a permissible rationale for preventing the collection of resource data on lands which the public has the right to be upon," Skavdahl wrote in the 38-page order. "Nothing indicates this activity is more disruptive, destructive, or problematic than other uses."

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http://www.hcn.org/articles/court-will-hear-case-against-data-trespass-laws
 

MohRokTah

(15,429 posts)
26. The constitutionality of this law is highly questionable.
Sat Jan 2, 2016, 08:40 PM
Jan 2016

I doubt seriously if it will withstand even a weak challenge.

Simeon Salus

(1,143 posts)
27. Open dumping in Wyoming is not only legal but encouraged
Sat Jan 2, 2016, 09:01 PM
Jan 2016

If I'm a gigantic corporation, I'm opening a landfill in Cheyenne this weekend.

PCBs, nuclear waste, black tar sand waste, truck it all down to WY.

Fitting isn't it that the land of Cheney is now the giant asshole of America.

 

elmac

(4,642 posts)
33. Those rightwing nut jobs won't be happy until
Sat Jan 2, 2016, 10:01 PM
Jan 2016

they turn this country into one big chemical dump to make a buck. Home grown terrorists.

Thespian2

(2,741 posts)
34. Interesting...
Sat Jan 2, 2016, 10:02 PM
Jan 2016

when I lived in Waynesboro, Va, my neighbour and I had several streams that we took water samples from once each month...the samples were processed by scientists at Virginia Tech with the results going to the state government...

If we did that now in Wyoming, we would face prosecution?...what a world, ah?

Bernardo de La Paz

(49,002 posts)
35. Surely this will be tested and challenged and ultimately declared unconstitutional
Sat Jan 2, 2016, 10:10 PM
Jan 2016

But many legislators pay that no mind -- they are pandering to their bases or their paymasters.

Botany

(70,505 posts)
37. Why do I smell Koch Brothers/ALEC all over this law?
Sat Jan 2, 2016, 10:16 PM
Jan 2016

If it wasn't for rigged voting, gerrymandering, voter suppression, and a dirty media
the republican party would be in the toilet ready to go down the drain.

They want to kill off USPS, public schools, women's rights, the EPA, and the public's
constitutionally protected rights.

gratuitous

(82,849 posts)
41. Probably because their blood-stained fingers are all over this
Sun Jan 3, 2016, 12:17 AM
Jan 2016

This long game has been in progress for decades, and you've listed many of the current issues.

 

elmac

(4,642 posts)
39. So if Michigan had this law
Sat Jan 2, 2016, 10:44 PM
Jan 2016

They could continue to poison little kids in Flint MI while keeping their lead water from being exposed.

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