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150 Armed Militia Members Take Over Federal Buildingby Judd Legum at Think Progress
http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2016/01/02/3735576/150-armed-militia-members-take-over-federal-building/
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A group of 150 armed militia members have broken into and occupied a federal building in Oregon. The group reportedly includes three sons of Nevada rancher Cliven Bundy, who had a tense standoff with federal officials in 2014.
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Radical militia members from across the country descended on Harney County, Oregon today to protest the conviction of two local ranchers for arson on federal land. They claim that the federal government had no authority in Harney County. The militia occupying the headquarters building at Malheur National Wildlife Refuge is a splinter group from the larger protest. The gambit seems intended to provoke a standoff with the federal government.
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In a phone interview with the Oregonian, Ammond Bundy said that would not rule out violence if law enforcement tries to remove them. He called the headquarters building the tool to do all the tyranny that has been placed upon the Hammonds and said he was planning on staying for years. In a message on Facebook Bundy said he planned on establishing the facility as a base for militia members across the country:
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bowens43
(16,064 posts)Bombs away!
rjsquirrel
(4,762 posts)He will!! No he won't!
Electric Monk
(13,869 posts)Here's the LBN thread on this http://www.democraticunderground.com/10141301924
XemaSab
(60,212 posts)and a 5-gallon bucket to shit in.
daleanime
(17,796 posts)the way you think.
KeepItReal
(7,769 posts)No force on Earth can resist.
If you need more proof (and some comedy gold), read the product reviews: http://www.amazon.com/ss/customer-reviews/B008JELLCA
PADemD
(4,482 posts)KeepItReal
(7,769 posts)Apparently. I'm too skurd to try them.
BlueJazz
(25,348 posts)the stench, like 1,000 rotten corpses vomiting on you..
I threw myself at the toilet..
GummyBearz
(2,931 posts)I lol'd...
kjones
(1,053 posts)underahedgerow
(1,232 posts)and any media, the sooner they'll tuck their tails up and wander away.
Jam their communications systems, cut off any access to email, mobile phones, etc.
I'm sure they have generators, but soon enough, even the fuel for that will run out. Cut off food and water supply sources and the rats will leave the ship within a couple weeks, especially if no one is paying any attention to them.
jberryhill
(62,444 posts)applegrove
(118,778 posts)BlueCaliDem
(15,438 posts)Do you think they'd ask them nicely to abandon the building?
kwassa
(23,340 posts)they fit 150 people in this? the headquarters building at Malheur National Wildlife Refuge
pintobean
(18,101 posts)tents in a city park.
gratuitous
(82,849 posts)Just keep leaving them be, I'm sure they'll get all tuckered out and go home eventually. They won't be emboldened by a lack of response from law enforcement and decide to go further next time.
elmac
(4,642 posts)they wouldn't last a day.
exboyfil
(17,865 posts)the same type of protest. Wonder if the Feds would do the same to this group. Didn't think so.
The Feds should use tear gas at a minimum.
Downwinder
(12,869 posts)exboyfil
(17,865 posts)ryan_cats
(2,061 posts)Has Cliven paid his pasture fees yet?
I see his kids are a chip off the old blockhead.
saltpoint
(50,986 posts)are afoot in this sedition.
Somehow, that gives this a reality tv feel.
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They claim that the federal government had no authority in Harney County.
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I think those occupying that building are soon to be dispelled of that claim.
lpbk2713
(42,766 posts)They could think of nothing better to do with their Saturday night.
stevenleser
(32,886 posts)And then arrest them and load up as many charges as possible.
mucifer
(23,565 posts)Hassin Bin Sober
(26,337 posts)stevenleser
(32,886 posts)DisgustipatedinCA
(12,530 posts)onehandle
(51,122 posts)Terrorists of a feather...
LuvNewcastle
(16,856 posts)glinda
(14,807 posts)so this is very dire situation since they could just burn it and murder wildlife. I hope that they are stopped before they kill several animals to eat. These people are unstable. I think drones need to be brought in and starting at the perimeters herd them into the building then smoke it. If our government does nothing then they sanction this crap.
1939
(1,683 posts)Taking over government buildings? We could have wiped out a lot of protesters back in the 1960s.
saltpoint
(50,986 posts)copies of Joseph Conrad's Heart of Darkness.
Maybe form a book discussion group.
putitinD
(1,551 posts)saltpoint
(50,986 posts)ohnoyoudidnt
(1,858 posts)saltpoint
(50,986 posts)would be edifying, I think. Pretty safe guess that not too many of the 150 armed terrorists have heard that poem.
High time they did.
SoLeftIAmRight
(4,883 posts)drop a load of water on the hour every hour until they give up or freeze
catnhatnh
(8,976 posts)Then lay out the consequences. "You are now each guilty of breaking and entering and trespassing. Those who leave now will be disarmed and given a summons to appear. You have 3 hours. Those who remain will face arrest and detention when they leave the building. Power and water are in the process of being cut as are phone lines and a cellular jamming system has been activated. Legal advisors are researching terrorism statutes to determine maximum penalties. No supplies will be allowed to enter the perimeter nor will the building be assaulted. Accounting advisors are at work totaling the cost of containing the situation and you will be assessed these costs upon conviction. Have a nice day!"
moondust
(20,006 posts)As long as they don't have any hostages.
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whathehell
(29,090 posts)yourself.that doesn't insult women?
lpbk2713
(42,766 posts)... so look for them to break it up soon.
saltpoint
(50,986 posts)out there post haste to stand by these folks.
Huckabee has always had a soft spot for scofflaws.
elmac
(4,642 posts)he would want to prove he is an all American nut job just like them.
saltpoint
(50,986 posts)the front door, flowers and chocolates in hand.
keithbvadu2
(36,906 posts)like Josh Duggar and Ted Nugent.
They would be welcome in the militia camp.
saltpoint
(50,986 posts)quite a few poor strategic choices this time around.
He won Iowa in a long ago time. He's kind of being blown out of the water this cycle, though.
RandySF
(59,221 posts)Than the simple fact no one's been shot.
lindysalsagal
(20,730 posts)saltpoint
(50,986 posts)That way, there's no bloodshed and there's historical precedence for its effectiveness.
Noriega surrendered after Van Halen's "Panama" was played repeatedly and very loudly. In that case, the song choice appeared thematic. But it doesn't have to be.
There's any number of completely abominable recordings which, if played on an endless cycle at high volume, could break up this militia bunch.
Paul Anka's "Having My Baby" should be considered, IMO.
Katashi_itto
(10,175 posts)saltpoint
(50,986 posts)playlist, definitely.
It's disturbing that the singer looks like he's enjoying the experience.
elmac
(4,642 posts)Hulk
(6,699 posts)Crank it up and blast them out with 24/7 until the come out screaming.
saltpoint
(50,986 posts)a quarter of an hour, if that.
EX500rider
(10,856 posts)XemaSab
(60,212 posts)saltpoint
(50,986 posts)terrorists' spot and would likely produce a swift surrender.
Katashi_itto
(10,175 posts)They are terrorists. Deal with them.
Play this.
mucifer
(23,565 posts)The online story isn't major. It just says that after they had a protest they occupied the building and the title of the article is : "Oregon Ranchers Will Return to Prison, Angering Far-Right Activists"
Seems like a mess because the ranchers they are supporting don't want their support. They want to do as little time in prison as possible.
They will be fox news heros 24/7
elmac
(4,642 posts)protected by the constitution and Fox news.
SoapBox
(18,791 posts)Arrest their worthless asses.
doc03
(35,364 posts)I would say in this case it will be the terrorists.
shadowmayor
(1,325 posts)No more drones or bombs or idiot talk please? Waco is a prime example of doing the wrong violent thing. Patience is all that's required. Martyrs only make the base dig in.
I'm for Pat Boone at 120 dBs around the clock.
saltpoint
(50,986 posts)And/or that song whose chorus goes "Yummy Yummy Yummy I've Got Love In My Tummy."
Hard to beat lyrics like that.
pinboy3niner
(53,339 posts)Disney has had to pay damages to people who've gotten stuck on the ride with the music loop still playing.
XemaSab
(60,212 posts)flamingdem
(39,321 posts)good ole boy style
rpannier
(24,338 posts)Leave none of them alive
keithbvadu2
(36,906 posts)put spike strips around so they can't go off road either in or out.
Tear gas all around if they get out of their vehicles.
Doubtful if they have many, if any, gas masks.
Snipers can shoot tires before they can build up speed so not much danger there.
Wait 'em out.
No one leaves without hands up.
Drop tear gas from high altitude on the building.
Tear gas qt night with some super quiet small planes.
All kinds of fun without violence.
MineralMan
(146,329 posts)junkyard with a crusher, then bring back the cubes of smashed metal and built a barricade to protect law enforcement.
aikoaiko
(34,183 posts)...the Koresh-Waco tragedy.
I understood why the Feds backed off Bundy but there needs to be consequences. I don't think the Feds will be backing off this incident.
jmowreader
(50,562 posts)These asshats are LOOKING - actively - for a reason to start a shooting war against the government. If the government were to take any action to forcibly remove them from this building, that would do it.
My recommendation: close all the roads leading into this place, so they can't bring food in. Allow anyone who wants to leave to do so, but they can't come back in. Start playing Ozzy albums really loudly to chase off all the wildlife, so they can't poach meat. Shut off the water and power feeding the building, and dam any streams in the vicinity. Eventually they WILL come out - they will have no choice.
And as much as it angers me to say it, just let them go on home. Because no one will be "martyred for the cause" (their ultimate endgame) and no one will be "jailed as a political prisoner" (which would be nearly as good), the whole thing will be a failure in their eyes.
mucifer
(23,565 posts)a radical black movement instead of a radical white movement. The two shouldn't be treated differently.
jmowreader
(50,562 posts)The cops need to stop shooting members of black movements. We agree on that. But the only "radical" movements I've seen in the last five to ten years are full of people about as white as that piece of toilet paper in your hand was before you wiped your Falwell with it - namely, the sovereign citizens I've been watching for several years.
quaker bill
(8,224 posts)"Attempting to start" a shooting war against the government would be more on point. If the government does not act to remove these folks from the building, they will simply take it up another notch.
At some point, maybe this is it, maybe not, these folks will have to be shown that 200 guys and their collection of shiny pop guns is no threat to the government, not even a little threat. Anything less will simply embolden the second amendment fantasy that is entertained by many of the gun show crowd. It would be best if no one died in the process, but that outcome seems unlikely.
Simply holding back on the use of force feeds the fantasy that their collection of shiny pop guns gives them "freedom" and makes them powerful. At some point, this delusion will have to be addressed and the amount of force needed to bring an end to it will only grow over time if unattended.
I am a pacifist and oppose the use of deadly force by either side. That said, this whole situation, viewed more broadly as a social phenomenon, is likely to escalate until it is decisively brought to a halt. However it is done, their surrender needs to be prompt and unconditional.
quaker bill
(8,224 posts)would be the most fun to watch.
Hekate
(90,793 posts)Oh lord, this is bad.
Yallow
(1,926 posts)If they are breaking a law arrest them.
If they resist, treat them like all people resisting arrest.
Wait them out until they surrender.
Equal justice, or no justice.
Angel Martin
(942 posts)like illegal immigrants are arrested ?
Maybe the Bundy's and the other kooks involved in this think that federal trespassing law is enforced like immigration law ?
If it's like illegal immigration, they will all be granted "amnesty" and get to keep the building.
tkmorris
(11,138 posts)I have zero tolerance for ignorance these days. Just absolutely zero.
saltpoint
(50,986 posts)gun-toting guvmint-defying self-important shit-for-brains domestic terrorists.
Haven't seen anything at all about any of them being from out-of-country.
Hoyt
(54,770 posts)DeadLetterOffice
(1,352 posts)AKA domestic terrorists.
struggle4progress
(118,334 posts)a few forest fires nowadays without getting a prison sentence! What's become of my country? This is like living in the Soviet gulag! Why, it's getting so you can hardly threaten to shoot federal agents anymore!
MohRokTah
(15,429 posts)Bring in federal troops and blow all 150 away.
They are terrorists on American soil. Enemy combatants.
Time to treat them that way. They wanted war, give it to them.