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Photographer

(1,142 posts)
Sun Jan 3, 2016, 06:52 PM Jan 2016

For a look at the colossal crimes and injustices carried out by the current legal system

please use your Netflix account and view Making a Murderer, the story of a travesty that happens way to often in our country from innocents shot dead to innocents railroaded by those entrenched in powerful positions.



From Forbes: http://www.forbes.com/sites/insertcoin/2016/01/03/why-making-a-murderer-is-netflixs-most-significant-show-ever/

Netflix is no stranger to successful shows, and many of them have had their moment in the sun at one point or another the past few years. House of Cards, Orange is the New Black, The Unbreakable Kimmy Schmidt, Bojack Horseman, Master of None, Daredevil, Jessica Jones. All of these shows have been released, binged and entered into the pop culture lexicon, the subject of discussion for at least a week or two after release, given the binge-watch nature of the service.

But Making a Murderer is different.

Not just because the genre has switched from scripted drama and comedy to a true crime documentary. But because this is the first Netflix show that seems to have completely consumed its viewerbase from top to bottom. Though many of the shows mentioned above are popular, they have pretty specific audiences. But Making a Murderer? The story of Steve Avery has seemed to hook pretty much everyone who has laid eyes on it.

The question is not if you’ve seen Making a Murderer yet. It’s how long did it take you to watch it? A week? That’s insane. Three days? That’s more like it. One day? There you go.

I have never seen a show consume the pop culture conversation like this outside of when programs like The Walking Dead and Game of Thrones kill off a major character. Everyone on my Facebook FB -1.92% and Twitter TWTR +4.35% is talking about it (two very, very different groups), and all my friends have seen it as well. My wife and I spent about two hours of a three hour dinner party with our friends last night talking not about their newly announced baby, but about Making a Murderer, and just how enraged the show has made us.

And we’re not alone.

This is, of course, the fundamental draw of Making a Murderer. Unlike all Netflix’s other shows, this is a real story, with real stakes, and real people who are still suffering from the injustices we see onscreen.

To briefly recap, Making a Murderer is the culmination of a decade of work by the project’s creators, Laura Ricciardi and Moira Demos, who exhaustively chronicled the horrifying story of Steven Avery and his nephew Brendan Dassey. The two Wisconsin natives were accused of raping and killing Teresa Halbach, a young woman who had come to take pictures of Avery’s car for AutoTrader magazine. Steven Avery was supposedly the last person to see her alive, and his nephew eventually confesses that he and his uncle raped, tortured, and killed her, burning her body in the fire pit directly outside the house.

If that sounds relatively clear-cut, you’re in for quite a ride. As it happens, Avery just finished 18 years of a prison sentence for a crime he was exonerated from by DNA evidence. Now, as his $36M lawsuit begins against the county, he’s suddenly being accused of a brutal murder, and the same people who railroaded him the first time are deeply involved with the new case.

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Watch this. It will bring you to tears, anger you and show in the most clearly detailed manner ever the ways our justice system can be and is perverted.

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For a look at the colossal crimes and injustices carried out by the current legal system (Original Post) Photographer Jan 2016 OP
A caveat: Photographer Jan 2016 #1
My brother and I watched in 2 days and prairierose Jan 2016 #2
So agreed. Photographer Jan 2016 #5
Started watching it and couldn't stop till I finished it Egnever Jan 2016 #3
It's hard not to binge watch. Photographer Jan 2016 #19
Whether Steven Avery is guilty or innocent is open to reasonable debate DebbieCDC Jan 2016 #4
And Brendan's first Att'y was among the worst. Photographer Jan 2016 #7
They, (Avery's Attys) were very good people. Photographer Jan 2016 #16
Did this show mention Avery's past? Archae Jan 2016 #6
There are differing accounts to what you write. Photographer Jan 2016 #8
Kicking... I was hoping this wouldn't slide to page 2 so fast. Photographer Jan 2016 #9
... Because I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT. Photographer Jan 2016 #10
One last time... Photographer Jan 2016 #11
Just watched this over the weekend killbotfactory Jan 2016 #12
All that and the blood vial made things pretty obvious to this person. Photographer Jan 2016 #14
Wisconsin lawyer here, Borchkins Jan 2016 #13
I was gobsmacked by that jerk. Photographer Jan 2016 #15
The judicial system ends with our State Supreme Court Borchkins Jan 2016 #17
I can relate. Alabama here. Photographer Jan 2016 #18

prairierose

(2,145 posts)
2. My brother and I watched in 2 days and
Sun Jan 3, 2016, 07:10 PM
Jan 2016

are still talking about it off and one. I think it is the most significant series Netflix has done and I hope many people see it and talk about it. These are the type of important issues that we all need to be talking to people about.

 

Photographer

(1,142 posts)
5. So agreed.
Sun Jan 3, 2016, 07:50 PM
Jan 2016

I'm at 6th ep. and binge watching. Took a bit to tear myself away to post here but dammit, I needed an emotional break.

 

Egnever

(21,506 posts)
3. Started watching it and couldn't stop till I finished it
Sun Jan 3, 2016, 07:18 PM
Jan 2016

I don't know if he is actually innocent of the murder but I do know it was handled badly by law enforcement from beginning to end. I don't think i have ever shouted at my tv more than I did with this show. The nephews case was extraordinarily troubling. The fact that his initial attorney was not disbarred still has me shaking my head.

DebbieCDC

(2,543 posts)
4. Whether Steven Avery is guilty or innocent is open to reasonable debate
Sun Jan 3, 2016, 07:41 PM
Jan 2016

HOWEVER...

he was denied the presumption of innocence which ALL defendants are entitled to. When the "special prosecutor" opens his closing argument by stating "reasonable doubt is only for the innocent"....well, that should tell you a lot about the justice system and the corrupt law enforcement in that shithole county.

I don't think anyone who watches the series will have any doubt that Steven Avery was denied due process and that Brendan Dassy was coerced and manipulated into a false confession by the cops AND his OWN attorney AND the attorney's investigator!!!

Steven Avery's attorneys are two of the finest examples of the legal profession I have ever seen, and I have worked for lawyers for 20 years.

Archae

(46,345 posts)
6. Did this show mention Avery's past?
Sun Jan 3, 2016, 07:51 PM
Jan 2016

From Cracked.com:

Steven Avery spent 18 years in prison for a rape he didn't commit. Sad, right? Well, I promise your sympathy will be short lived. Let's power on, though.

In time, as has been the case for so many other "lucky" souls, DNA evidence tied the crime to another man. Avery was convicted on the basis of a witness identification and nothing else. As it turned out, he somewhat resembled the actual perpetrator. Sure, he delivered a whopping 16 alibi witnesses who were able to place him too far away from the scene to have possibly committed the crime, but that still wasn't enough to convince a jury of his innocence.

They deliberated for less than five hours before sending him to prison.

Almost two decades later, the Wisconsin Innocence Project picked up Avery's case and requested that DNA evidence that was present at the scene be tested by the courts. Sure enough, Steven Avery was cleared.

His case was so influential that on Oct. 31, 2005, lawmakers introduced "The Avery Act," a bill intended to prevent wrongful convictions like his from happening in the future.

The Insane Twist

On the exact same day the Avery Act was introduced, a photographer named Teresa Halbach was scheduled to meet with Steven Avery at a salvage yard he owned to take pictures of a minivan for Auto Trader Magazine, which she did freelance work for. She kept that appointment, and was never seen alive again.

The details of what's alleged to have happened during that ill-fated visit are too heinous to relay here, but on Nov. 11, 2005, Steven Avery was arrested for the murder of Teresa Halbach. His nephew was also implicated and charged in the crime. On March 18, 2007, Avery was sentenced to life in prison without the possibility of parole for the crime.

It's tempting to assume that something about being an innocent man forced to spend years in prison might have had a role in turning Steven Avery into what he eventually became, and, sure enough, there will be some stories that read exactly that way on the rest of this list. That's probably not the case with Avery, though.

He'd been in trouble from the age of 18, when he was convicted of burglarizing a bar and spent 10 months in jail. There are certainly worse crimes you can commit, like ramming your female cousin's car, forcing her to pull over and putting a gun to her head, which he also did.

A few years prior, another relative admitted that he helped as Avery took his own pet cat, doused it in oil and gas and tossed it onto a bonfire so they could watch it burn to death.

That's serial killer shit, unjust incarceration or otherwise. Don't get me wrong, it certainly can't have helped much (aside from the part where it kept him from killing women and pets for 18 years), but prison didn't turn Steven Avery into a bad guy. He was already that way before the prison system really got a hold of him.

http://www.cracked.com/blog/5-cases-wrongful-arrest-with-insane-twist-endings/

killbotfactory

(13,566 posts)
12. Just watched this over the weekend
Mon Jan 4, 2016, 02:12 AM
Jan 2016

Some things I took away from it:

1. The Police account of events does not fit the evidence. There is no way they could commit the assault and knifing in the bedroom and finish off the victim the garage and not leave a single drop of blood or DNA from the victim anywhere. The garage was dirty and looked like a scene from hoarders, ffs, and they supposedly completely cleaned up a woman's blood who supposedly had her throat slashed and shot 12 times? It's completely unreal they got away with pushing that narrative in the media before the trial.

2. The bullet with the questionable DNA test being found in the supposed garage where she was supposed to have been shot? Being found by one of the cops being sued by Avery? There was no way that wasn't planted. They cleaned out a garage that looked like it belonged in an episode of hoarders, ffs. And the key to the toyota being found in the bedroom after the house had been searched 8 times by the same cop? Bullshit. They probably found it in the car and moved it.

3. Dassey should never have been convicted. He confessed to no information the cops didn't feed him and coerced him into admitting to, and any knew information he provided was completely incredulous and didn't fit any of the facts of the scene.

4. The victims blood was found in the back of her RAV4, consistent with a head wound. This indicates she was put in the back of the truck and driven somewhere else. Why would that happen if the murder occurred the way police describe?

5. Her remains were found in a burn barrel, a fire pit, by his window, and possibly in a quarry nearby? How does that make sense if the cops maintain her remains were never moved after being burned?

Avery may have actually done it, but the lengths these cops went to make sure he got railroaded makes you suspect what else they are capable of. The lawsuit gave them motive to convict him, and the cops he was suing were allowed to run all over his property and do whatever they wanted, which doesn't sit right with me. If he did do it, it certainly didn't happen the way they very publicly presented in the media before trial.

Or maybe planting evidence and coercing any simple minded juveniles they come across is just standard operating procedure for cops like these if they think someone is guilty and want to seal a conviction?

Borchkins

(724 posts)
13. Wisconsin lawyer here,
Mon Jan 4, 2016, 10:59 AM
Jan 2016

disgusted by the representation Brendan Dassey received. His initial lawyer should be disbarred. Manitowoc County stinks to high heaven.

I wonder what the jurors think now.
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Photographer

(1,142 posts)
15. I was gobsmacked by that jerk.
Mon Jan 4, 2016, 12:36 PM
Jan 2016

It was as if he was working for the prosecution.

Made me wonder about the entire judicial system up there.

Borchkins

(724 posts)
17. The judicial system ends with our State Supreme Court
Mon Jan 4, 2016, 02:05 PM
Jan 2016

4 of the 7 are bought and paid for by the Koch Bros. We are in trouble.
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