Disgusting. Fucked up. Maddening. Law enforcement is coddling the terrorists

[cali]

And no, I don't expect them to let the public in on their plans, but they're letting these fucks run the show and it's a circus.

The leader of a group of militants occupying the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge headquarters said Monday he's confident that federal authorities won't try to force him and the others out.

Ammon Bundy said someone in law enforcement has been communicating with him through back channels — relaying messages to someone close to Bundy.

"They intend not to come up on us," Bundy said. Still, he said, the 20 or so militants would remain ready to defend themselves.

Bundy spoke at the second press conference in as many days since the group occupied a small collection of federal buildings about 30 miles south of Burns. For this one, media from all over the world descended on the remote outpost, broadcasting live updates and clamoring for interviews with the militants.

Media outnumbered militants at press conference. Half a dozen satellite trucks from news networks such as CNN and CBS crowded the small snowy parking lot outside the compound.

Bundy said the group will begin breaking up the refuge land and returning portions of it to local ranchers. He didn't describe how he will achieve that goal, but said it will unwind a century of wrongdoing by the federal government.


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http://www.oregonlive.com/pacific-northwest-news/index.ssf/2016/01/feds_wont_oust_militant_occupi.html#incart_most-commented_pacific-northwest-news_article

[justiceischeap]

1. Wonder if this is why the FBI took over today. nt

[Xipe Totec]

2. If it was ISIS, they would've already exercised Drone Justice. nt

[TeddyR]

39. ISIS

Has beheaded American citizens.

[Xipe Totec]

45. And?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oklahoma_City_bombing

You're not talking to a fucking FOX watching mouth breathing retard.

[Nye Bevan]

47. Wow. Bundy and co. were involved in the Oklahoma City bombing?

I wasn't aware of that.

[Xipe Totec]

50. Wow. Some people think that sedition began and ended with Bundy.

Who knew.

[TeddyR]

49. And

Your attempt to equate some folks who have seized a building in remote Oregon without killing anyone to ISIS, which beheads American citizens and condones sexual slavery, is beyond comical.

[Xipe Totec]

54. As is your attempt to appear just another newcomer to DU

Your trolling is beyond transparent.

You only think you are invisible.

[TeddyR]

64. This post

Makes less sense than your last. What does my visibility have to do with anything? That almost sounds like a threat from another DU member.

[Atman]

73. Calm down.

Let teddy hang himself. Don't get yourself an alert. (Something tells me I'm jumping on the grenade for you).

[840high]

65. Is that the best you can do?

[TheCowsCameHome]

3. Good. Cut them off from the outside world. Totally.

No supplies, no internet, no phones. Nothing.

Then we'll see how tough these wannabe rambos really are.

Make the Donner Party look like an all-you-can-eat buffet.

FUCK THEM

[cali]

4. They show no sign of doing that.

[TheCowsCameHome]

6. I know.

But I can fantasize, can't I?

[Wellstone ruled]

24. Bunkerville part 2 ?

Interesting,back channels. Daddy must be worried,maybe there are bench warrants coming.

[AZCat]

5. And it's not like they have a legitimate beef.

Their claims sound like that of a typical internet troll - arrogant and ignorant - only this is real life and they're waving around real guns.

[Tommy2Tone]

7. Not only aren't the Feds doing anything

It appears they are collaborating with them instead of sending in the National Guard.

[anigbrowl]

34. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof

You say they're collaborating? I call bullshit.

[Tommy2Tone]

69. Having trouble finding the quote

but the younger Bundy said he has information the law is not coming to get them. But you are right calling it collaborating is over the top.

[AZCat]

70. Observer article has something similar.

guardian article

At Monday’s press conference, there were 17 militia present, including women and several children – some of whom looked younger than 10. When asked if the children were camping on site, Bundy replied: “No, but I welcome them.” Bundy said he had had “indirect contact” with law enforcement officials, and third parties had informed him that “they will not come upon us”.

[Tommy2Tone]

82. That's a lot different than my idiotic comment

Of course law enforcement is telling them they are not going to charge in. I think after Waco we won't see anymore armed assaults. The best thing to do is wait them out. Sooner or later they will see their actions are accomplishing nothing and leave.

[randys1]

8. What do you want Obama to do? You want him to send in the Feds which will lead to a shootout?

These idiot fuck rightwing insurrectionist terrorists, without knowing it, came up with a win win

NO MATTER WHAT Obama does, he will be criticized

[TheCowsCameHome]

9. See post #3

Cut. Them. Off.

Four hours, and they'll be begging for gummint help.

[jberryhill]

11. They pretty much are

It's hard to get as close to the middle of nowhere as these guys are already.

It's like the old anti-war slogan - what if they gave a standoff and nobody came?

[randys1]

13. I would even wait until they all left, went home, restarted their lives, then show up with

federal felony arrest warrants when they least expect it.

[jberryhill]

14. Yep

[L. Coyote]

17. Indictments can be handed down in due time

Last edited Tue Jan 5, 2016, 07:12 PM - Edit history (1)

and they won't like the fines when the law enforcement bill is totalled.

Adam Osborn ‏2 hours ago
Couple hundred white terrorists and only few dozen IQ points among them #YallQaeda #YeeHawd


Oregon Militiamen Mocked on Twitter

The Independent ‏@Independent 9 hours ago
'#YallQaeda' don't plan siege very well, put out desperate call for snacks, chewing tobacco http://i100.io/MWold8B

#GotSnacks?

meetgolfers ‏
@Independent this is a inbreeding success story
Mia McPherson
@Independent they need snacks, today is the day of the #YallQaedaSnackAttack

Andrew ‏@milesandtime
They're hungry. Please help. #YallQaeda #YeeHawdists

[randys1]

18. laughing out loud

[L. Coyote]

42. They are funny and they write their own stuff.

[center]

You just know they timed this so there wouldn't be a Daily Show the next night!

Henry Hontoria ‏@Archisoft
What's a revolution without snacks.
#YallQaeda #Cowliphate #YeeHawdists

upvoted ‏@upvoted 7 minutes ago
Oregon militia asks for snacks, Reddit users plan to send glitter instead http://buff.ly/1PccD1o #yallqaeda


Minifig Barker ‏@Minifig81
I love the irony of the fact that #YallQaeda has asked the USPS to deliver snacks, yet they're planning to ovrthro the USGovernment. #fail

Only Human ‏@leahmcelrath 5 minutes ago Retweeted Major Sideeye
Man wants to join #OregonUnderAttack extremists but complains he can't..because he hasn't rec'd his Fed check yet:

Oh, the irony!!

Jadehawk ‏19 minutes ago
and i can't stop laughing at armed survivalist militiabros who can't find food on a wildlife reserve #TWIBnation

Jake MacMillan ‏2 minutes ago
Al, Ted, Cliven... The Bundy name is really taking a beating lately #OregonUnderAttack

Terra Firma ‏4 minutes ago
With weather predictions as they are, watch those dipshits get snowed in and have to be rescued. #OregonUnderAttack

[MohRokTah]

19. That's what they said about the original standoff at the Bundy ranch in 2014

And it all amounted to nothing.

[ret5hd]

60. Shoot them! Shoot them! Shoot them!

Right?

[MohRokTah]

63. If the feds moved in in force,...

this shit would end.

Only they waited too long and now the terrorists have moved in children to use as human shields.

There will be no arrests. Nobody will do any time. The town of Burns OR may lose their entire spring toorism revenue because they probably won't be out by then.

[DashOneBravo]

68. Like a raid?

Which Feds?

[flamingdem]

71. gawd this is fun

for now anyway

[cali]

20. Wait how long. You realize people work there right?

[Coventina]

21. Not to mention that WE THE PEOPLE cannot go to the refuge while they are there!!

[AZCat]

25. Ah, but that's the dark heart of their complaints.

It's not really about what we the people want, it's what these specific people want. Mainly, all the nice things that come from government subsidies but none of the consequences (i.e. BLM land usage fees).

[Baitball Blogger]

26. The Bundy's are "We the People" types who have no sense of "We."

[randys1]

27. Like I said, some here will make this a NO WIN for Obama...

[L. Coyote]

74. The entire point of this is election season and they are out-of-their-minds with desperation.

They know very well that they have no chance in the fall unless they can completely alter the political landscape and create political disaster. Desperation is a worrisome thing when dealing with a bunch of people with the criminal history of the Republican Party.

[randys1]

12. I said that from the beginning, and I am pretty sure Obama will authorize they do the least

abrasive think so as not to make martyrs out of them and create more.

But I think there are some, here as well at DU, who will criticize the admin no matter how this goes down.

[cali]

29. You are the one making this all about Obama

[randys1]

31. Yeah, right

[cali]

32. Sorry,you are.

[JackInGreen]

52. Randy?

I don't see Obama mentioned in the article, why do you invoke the man when he's not associated here or in the article?

[L. Coyote]

75. Obama is informed and has nothing to do with decisions of the local officers responsible for safety.

Being President of the United States doesn't mean your attention is diverted every time someone holds up a liquor store or gift shop.

What you worry about as President is all the stuff Bush ignored while on his many vacations before 9/11.

[randys1]

81. The issue is being used against Obama, as usual. I believe that it was an order from

Obama himself NOT to take aggressive action with these insurrectionist terrorists when they did this in Nevada, and if this escalates I believe he will make the decision again to do everything possible to avoid martyrdom etc.

[840high]

66. He said it's a local matter. I agree with Obama.

[jberryhill]

10. Meh... let 'em march around in the snow for a while

Let Ritzheimer eventually go back home and explain to his wife why he left for several weeks, didn't accomplish anything, and has nothing to show for it.


Bundy said the group will begin breaking up the refuge land and returning portions of it to local ranchers

Who, by all accounts, want nothing to do with this traveling freak show.

[L. Coyote]

15. Please don't let this end soon. We've only just begun to ridicule them.

[center]They have no idea what it will be like to be the new epitome of Morans.





Frostbite takes time, and we need to let the temperatures drop more.

http://www.wunderground.com/ .... Malheur National Wildlife Refuge, OR

[Coventina]

16. While I enjoy making fun of them, I want them gone from my land ASAP!

I don't want them ruining an important wildlife refuge.

[L. Coyote]

23. Yes indeed. But we all know this is a carefully lain political Obama trap

People don't want to be frank about this stuff, but this ambiguous/moving-target grievance confrontation of the federal government includes a racist reaction to Obama. They are itching to embroil Obama in their petty stuff.

Give them the respect they deserve in the cartoon section.

Keep up the ridicule. Let's laugh them out of our beautiful state in such fashion that it sends a message to all of them, STFU or become public clowns for everyone to laugh at. Their pomposity deserves nothing less. Let the DA hand out the indictments in due time and seize their assets if they don't pay the fines for this carnival.

[randys1]

28. And at Fox and even here at DU some will make CERTAIN that the Obama admin loses in

this NO MATTER what they do.

Fucking pisses me off sometimes

[L. Coyote]

44. Exactly, they just need the one photo of man in hat, then they write their version.

It is going to be a very long ten months of the fucking tail wagging the whole fucking kennel non-fucking-stop.
We are going to need a lot of ridicule to keep up.

[Erich Bloodaxe BSN]

56. Fines? They should be up for serious jail time.

like 20 years a pop, minimum. This is not some 'carnival', it's a terrorist seizure of Federal property. John Brown did not get 'fined' when he tried to take over Federal property, he got killed for his attempt.

I don't give terrorists and criminals 'respect', but I do suggest they get the jail time they do deserve.

[L. Coyote]

62. Yes, that's what follows indictments.

But what's going to really hurt these guys is losing the shiny new pick-ups. Man, they might have to sell their guns.

[ProfessorGAC]

46. But, I Don't Want Them Riding on My Roads

You don't really think these tools are fair and square and up to date on the taxes they owe, do you?

No. They owe and owe. So, go home tough guys. But, overland march. Don't use the roads that taxpayers have paid for.

[Baitball Blogger]

22. Well, if they treat them civilly, maybe they will turn themselves in civilly because,

you know, they're white.

[Bucky]

83. Isn't the anguish of worrying about where their next Cheetos bag will come from punishment enough?

[fredamae]

30. I wonder how they'd react

if we all suddenly stopped giving them the attention they crave? If it was just them and the FBI sitting out there-No media-no internet access as some have suggested.

[MohRokTah]

35. The first thing the FBI should do is order everybody out.

State clearly this is the only opportunity to leave without being arrested, anybody left will be considered an illegal occupier of the federal property.

That will get rid of the reporters and leave an opening to do whatever they wish with no prying eyes.

[Hoppy]

33. D.O.J. is likely trying to prevent another Waco and Ruby Ridge.

Both episodes gave the cousin-humpers excuses for their present day nonsense.

[Erich Bloodaxe BSN]

58. What was not done at Cliven Bundy's place is what 'gave them their excuse'.

If the Feds back down again, there will be waves of this sort of crap all across the country.

These terrorists need to spend decades in jail.

[2naSalit]

36. Even the mormon church has dissed them now!!

ETA: heard this on NPR in one of these segments...

http://www.npr.org/2016/01/04/461944981/armed-protesters-occupy-malheur-national-wildlife-refuge-center-in-oregon


http://www.npr.org/2016/01/04/461944989/mormon-faith-serves-as-powerful-symbol-for-oregon-protesters

[onethatcares]

37. when he goes to break up the land plat

is he going to put a deed for a square inch of it in cheerio boxes?

[Matariki]

38. Makes you wonder how the Black Lives Matters or Occupy protests

would have gone if everyone was armed. Perhaps the police would have been politer. (Do I need the sarcasm tag?)

[TeddyR]

40. So if these were BLM

Protesters I doubt we'd see the folks on DU calling them traitors and accusing them of sedition. I want these guys off federal property and arrested but I don't want (1) federal agents killed trying to evict them or (2) these idiots turned in to martyrs so that 10 years from now the far right fringe is pointing to Oregon like they do Waco

[Matariki]

43. Yes. What you said.

The way in and out should be blocked and all the utilities and outside communication should be cut. They'll eventually surrender.

At the same time, armed militias should be cause for concern. Sedition is probably a good word for groups like that. Accusing them of sedition and calling for their executions are two different things.

[Nye Bevan]

48. Or Occupy Wall Street protestors occupying public property.

Some folks' desire for a confrontation seems quite selective.

[Bettie]

41. They won't receive any consequences for this

mark my words.

The government may even let them give the land to their friends to avoid any conflict.

Then, it will happen everywhere, because the message is that white guys with guns can do whatever the hell they please.

So frustrated.

[RKP5637]

78. It's bizarre! I can just imagine my friends and I walking into some Federal office/location and

taking it over. Hell, we'd be declared domestic terrorists and likely dead shortly thereafter. Now I'm wondering if there is more to this than we know. Maybe it's a huge movement. Whatever, as you say,

Then, it will happen everywhere, because the message is that white guys with guns can do whatever the hell they please.

It's a breakdown of the authority of the Federal Government, and that is not good.

[Bettie]

79. And yet, people keep telling me

they'll be proseucted.

I do not believe that they will. I'd be very happy to be wrong.

But yes, it is a breakdown of the authority of the Federal Government. They won't even act to cut off internet access or lock the place down.

[Kath1]

51. This situation is driving me crazy!

What the hell is going on?

We are faced with domestic terrorists here.

[Generic Brad]

53. The Apple Dumpling Gang are terrorists?

They are more like the gang that couldn't shoot straight. The only ones they are hurting are themselves.

They are insignificant selfish blowhards filled with delusions of grandeur. They deserve scorn and mockery way more than fear.

[Kath1]

57. Timothy McVeigh was a goofy, pathetic loser at one time.

Klebold and Harris were laughable losers, too.
"They are insignificant selfish blowhards filled with delusions of grandeur. They deserve scorn and mockery way more than fear."

I agree with that, but I don't find them cuddly or amusing. It will all be a hoot until one of these yahoos kills somebody. All it will take is one of these nuts to decide he wants to go out in a blaze of glory.

[Erich Bloodaxe BSN]

59. They don't deserve either.

They deserve several decades in a Federal penitentiary.

[Kath1]

61. Agree 100%.

[RKP5637]

76. Yep!!! K&R!!! n/t

[Erich Bloodaxe BSN]

55. So official policy is now we DO negotiate with terrorists.

I also recall seeing a lot of tweets suggesting (much of?) the land was Indian land before the Feds took over, not 'rancher land'.

[Rex]

67. The stupid on this one is at an all time RWing wacko high.

Just SMH.

[greyl]

72. It's nice to see law enforcement react with patience. nt

[JustABozoOnThisBus]

80. Waco was handled with patience.

Until it wasn't.

[rjsquirrel]

77. Agree

And despite the local sheriff saying otherwise, my guess is that local and maybe stste forces are full of militia sympathizers.

I'm kind of laughing at portrayals of the local community as innocents here. Many are like sympathizers and some are likely collaborators.