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cali

(114,904 posts)
Wed Jan 13, 2016, 08:30 AM Jan 2016

Great piece: Trump — The Incoherent Demagogue

Trump has nothing of substance to say

Rock Hill, South Carolina

Ok, this reminds me a little of Woodstock. (Yes, I’m that old.) I’m stuck in traffic—I mean, stopped dead—about a mile away from the Winthrop University Coliseum, where Donald Trump will be performing in about an hour. The Clash come to mind: Should I stay or should I go? A neat little u-turn and I will be released from this flood tide of alienation, surging in no-motion toward its source—but hey, I’ve never been to a Trump rally and entertainment, of a Roman sort, is promised. I nose my rent-a-car into a side street and walk.

The Coliseum is not full, but close. The crowd is white, of course. The vast majority, I would guess, are lottery-players; they see Trump as a free ticket. “He’s going to get me a better job,” says the guy who checks me in at the door. “That’s what he does in his business.” PT Barnum, to whom Trump has been compared, once said something about suckers being born every minute. That was in the 19th century; the population is much larger now. The Trump pre-game music playlist is eclectic: from serious shlock (Phantom of the Opera) to Pavarotti to the Stones (but why, “You can’t always get what you want?” Isn’t his message the opposite?). His imminent arrival is announced by the strains of Springsteen’s Born in the USA (Note to Bruce: populism usually doesn’t end well). His actual arrival is announced by Eye of the Tiger. The first thing you see is his hair, which is as metallic gold and gleaming as Notre Dame football helmets. The crowd expresses immoderate enthusiasm.

So it’s all teed up. Everyone ready to be wowed; I’m ready to be entertained and appalled. But something strange happens: the headliner is just incoherent. He does not finish stories he starts—he starts his riff about forcing Ford, which has built a plant in Mexico, to pay 35% tariffs, but something else grabs his attention…not once, not twice, maybe three or four times before he sees it to the end, and the end, when it comes, is clumsily delivered, he steps on his punchline, darting off in some other direction. It occurs to me that the Tweet is the extent of this man’s attention span. He is the ADHD candidate. It occurs to me that being a “low-energy” candidate, in Trump’s mind, means a candidate who requires actual thinking on the part of his or her supporters to be comprehended. Thought moves slower than tweet. It needs to be explained. How boring.

Am I being too hard on the guy? Well, I’ve known some brilliant demagogues in my time—starting with George Wallace—and they could take you for a ride; it was thrilling to watch Wallace or Pat Buchanan or Al Sharpton in full flight. The arguments were repulsive, but well-assembled and brilliantly delivered. Trump is shambolic. He splutters about, unattached pronouns flying off into the rafters—who is the “they” who got the great deal? The Obama negotiators? Most certainly not, but that’s who he was talking about. No, now I get—he’s switched over and “they” are the Iranians. Then he says the Mexican government is brilliant, much smarter than ours….I look around, certain these thousands of angry sheep can’t believe that (much easier to believe Obama is a secret Muslim conspirator than a thorough-going idiot) and just at the moment when I suspect he’s going to lose them, he retweets some of his best material. “I’m gonna build a wall…and who’s gonna pay for it?” Mexico, the crowd yells, three times.

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http://time.com/4174328/donald-trump-thoughts-politician/

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Great piece: Trump — The Incoherent Demagogue (Original Post) cali Jan 2016 OP
"But something strange happens: the headliner is just incoherent." Tariffs, walls, hate, bluster. pampango Jan 2016 #1
"Analysis by Eggbeater" Donkees Jan 2016 #2
It doesn't matter to him. He assumes everyone hangs on annabanana Jan 2016 #5
Marking for later read underpants Jan 2016 #3
The most serious case of affluenza in the country! annabanana Jan 2016 #4
He refers often to matters of substance, but never gets specific. Orsino Jan 2016 #6

pampango

(24,692 posts)
1. "But something strange happens: the headliner is just incoherent." Tariffs, walls, hate, bluster.
Wed Jan 13, 2016, 09:08 AM
Jan 2016

"He is the ADHD candidate."

"Then he says the Mexican government is brilliant, much smarter than ours….I look around, certain these thousands of angry sheep can’t believe that (much easier to believe Obama is a secret Muslim conspirator than a thorough-going idiot) and just at the moment when I suspect he’s going to lose them, he retweets some of his best material. “I’m gonna build a wall…and who’s gonna pay for it?” Mexico, the crowd yells, three times."

There are, I know, efforts to “understand” the “anger” and “frustration” of the Trump constituency. I have little patience for that; the celebration of alienation, and careless cynicism about our democracy, has become a witless plague upon us.

A final question remains: What can we, the media, who have done so much to balloon this phenomenon—who have turned his Tweets into triumphs—do about this? ... Actually, puckishly, I harbor a distant fantasy that my colleagues would treat him for what he actually is. He is not a politician. He has nothing—not a thing—of substance to say about the actual challenges facing the country.

This is a great explanation of Trump, the incoherent demagogue. It is sad that incoherence appeals to such a large part of the republican base.

(If Mexico's government is so 'brilliant', how does he figure they will pay for the 'Trump' wall?)

Donkees

(31,426 posts)
2. "Analysis by Eggbeater"
Wed Jan 13, 2016, 09:18 AM
Jan 2016

"Discussions with narcissists can be really weird and disconcerting; they seem to think that using some of the same words means that they are following a line of conversation or reasoning. Thus, they will go off on tangents and irrelevancies, apparently in the blythe delusion that they understand what others are talking about. And, frankly, they don't hear all the words, either. They can pay attention only to stuff that has them in it. This is not merely a bad habit--it's a cognitive deficiency"


http://www.halcyon.com/jmashmun/npd/traits.html

annabanana

(52,791 posts)
5. It doesn't matter to him. He assumes everyone hangs on
Wed Jan 13, 2016, 10:27 AM
Jan 2016

his every word..

It's funny in a scary-circus sort of way. He thinks he's popular "with the Mexicans" because he's hired some. He REALLY THINKS that everyone loves the guy who signs their paycheck..

annabanana

(52,791 posts)
4. The most serious case of affluenza in the country!
Wed Jan 13, 2016, 10:25 AM
Jan 2016

He has NEVER worked for someone who could fire him.
He has NEVER had a landlord

Hell.. I really don't think ANYONE has ever told him "no'.

Orsino

(37,428 posts)
6. He refers often to matters of substance, but never gets specific.
Wed Jan 13, 2016, 10:53 AM
Jan 2016

Because he isn't really running for president, he's never done any homework. Why should he? His platform is that only he himself is good/intelligent/competent, and everyone else is stupid or a gross girl, and no one who doesn't agree is allowed near him.

He was raised in a bubble, lives in one, and doesn't plan to leave. Can anyone seriously think he's ever going to move to Washington?

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