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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsRyan Payne one of the Oregon occupation leaders, says slavery never existed
in the U.S.
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More specifically, he came to believe that slavery never really existed in the United States and that African Americans in the antebellum South "didn't view themselves as slaves." He came to believe in "an effort by some Jews to control the world." He came to believe the founders of the United States intended for the states to act as sovereign countries. He came to believe taxes are a form of "legal plunder." He came to believe names are spelled in all-caps on driver's licenses because U.S. citizens are actually "corporate entities." He came to believe U.S. courts are actually foreign admiralty courts. He came to believe that "in most states you have the lawful authority to kill a police officer that is unlawfully trying to arrest you." He came to believe when a newborn child's footprint is made on a birth certificate, that child is effectively entering a life of servitude to the U.S. government, which borrows money from China based on that child's estimated lifetime earning potential.
He came to see all aspects of government, culture and society as mechanisms of control. "And they've set everything up so they can maintain that control," Payne says, "because they believe they are God."
As Payne became convinced that conspiracies exist to control the world's people, he also moved from agnosticism to a deep belief in a Creator. "I'm a Jew," Payne says. "A Messianic Jew. A Kabbalist, even." These mystical and often controversial traditions of Judaism accommodated his faith as well as his suspicions of religion, which he considers "clothing for the truth."
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hobbit709
(41,694 posts)yeoman6987
(14,449 posts)valerief
(53,235 posts)CanonRay
(14,112 posts)are nothing but Neo-nazis wrapped in a flag.
lame54
(35,315 posts)underpants
(182,868 posts)Personalized escort to your destination
All the food available
Dining with the Captain. Near him anyway.
underpants
(182,868 posts)Uh....yeah
Psssst Ryan, the controlling factor in your life other than yourself is corporations. You got near it with the "children as corporations" but then you paranoid dumbass got in the way.
Bluenorthwest
(45,319 posts)Coventina
(27,167 posts)dixiegrrrrl
(60,010 posts)Many thanks....
lunasun
(21,646 posts)treestar
(82,383 posts)That's what comes of lack of education. Or home schooling can allow the teacher to make fiction into reality for the student. Of course there were black slaves and they thought of themselves as slaves. Denying that is really lalaland territory.
MisterP
(23,730 posts)Last edited Sat Jan 16, 2016, 05:27 PM - Edit history (1)
on edit: apparently he's a Cabbalist-Jewish-Christian Communist, so he's Ahuviya Harel
Rex
(65,616 posts)that monitor your every move and read your every thought? Rex came to believe Ryan Payne has lost his grip on sanity and now only rage and paranoia remain.
Johonny
(20,879 posts)Once again why are these people allowed to break the law?
cali
(114,904 posts)niyad
(113,527 posts)of course, he is right in line with nikki haley, who says the US never has made laws based on race or religion.
SwankyXomb
(2,030 posts)drilling holes in each others heads to let the stupid out, preferably before the FBI has to do it for them.
dixiegrrrrl
(60,010 posts)I vote yes...........
KamaAina
(78,249 posts)One such was the board chair of my agency back in Hawai'i. We were between directors, so he started stomping around acting like he owned the place. I figured the one day I wouldn't have to put up with his nonsense was Yom Kippur. I figured wrong. There he was, big as life! I asked, of course, and he told me that some paperwork was due.
As far as I can tell, Messianic Jews* are fundies who wear yarmulkes.
sakabatou
(42,170 posts)cali
(114,904 posts)Solly Mack
(90,779 posts)Tierra_y_Libertad
(50,414 posts)Which obviously has an IQ higher than his own.
dixiegrrrrl
(60,010 posts)Really too bad there is not a test before one has kids.
hifiguy
(33,688 posts)manage to put their pants on each day?
Douglas Carpenter
(20,226 posts)this is one of the most far out I have heard so far.
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)leftyladyfrommo
(18,869 posts)Past about 8th grade and he probably did poorly even then.
These guys are so uneducated.
lunasun
(21,646 posts)Ryan Payne (born 1984) is an electrician and member of the West Mountain Rangers, a rump militia from Montana.[1][2][3]
Payne grew up and graduated from high school in southern California. He joined the U.S. Army in 2001, where he was assigned to a military intelligence unit, eventually rising to the rank of sergeant. He was deployed to Iraq during the Iraq War. According to Payne, he became skeptical of the military in 2005 after promised close-air support never materialized during a counter-insurgency operation.[1][4]
During the Bundy standoff in 2014, Payne claimed to have organized a team of militia sharpshooters.[5]