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hyphenate

(12,496 posts)
Fri Jun 1, 2012, 03:59 PM Jun 2012

Flying in a sardine can and other travel misery

People forget that the airlines got bailed out right after 9/11. People forget that for a short while, travelers were uneasy to fly because of their fears, and for while, the airlines were running at a deficit.

Now, the airlines are taking advantage of ALL of us, those people whose taxes went to help the airlines keep going in a post 9/11 world.

And what have we wrought?

I can't speak for everyone or every situation, but I can speak for myself, and what I saw on the recent trip I made to Las Vegas and back to Boston this past week. And what I saw was depressing, and disgusting, and inconvenient, and largely deplorable.

First: The cost of an airline ticket has become overpriced, and predatory. I purchased my ticket several months in advance, looked at dozens of schedules--most of them inadequate, fares, airlines, and everything that used to be easy to research. Not anymore. Even the travel sites that proclaim they can get you the lowest fares are a sham: the difference between the results of these sites was underwhelming--most of the fares were pretty close to what could be found on the main page of the official airline sites themselves. Even Priceline, with whom I ultimately purchased my ticket, offered relatively little bargains in the fares.

It used to be easy to get a non-stop flight from one major city to another. At one time, even, I recall it was more expensive for multiple flights on a trip. Now, the non-stop flights are literally hundreds more dollars than what the travel sites can offer. Having multiple stops now increases the anxiety level, as you are forced to endure more take-offs and landings, wasting time in airports with nothing to offer except overpriced (grossly overpriced!) food, snacks, or anything purveyors hope you will buy at the last minute. Ten dollars for a Burger King Whopper meal is simply untenable.

Inspections: how many people have actually sat down and read the list of ALL the things you can't take on the plane with you? Because it's so damned arbitrary and frustrating and maddening, that for that reason alone, I have lowered the prospects of further trips out of town. On the last trip I took in January, they confiscated two unopened bottles of Gatorade I had. I lived with that, because it had been 5 years since I had traveled, and I wasn't completely aware of the restrictions.

This time around, I refused to spend $10 on the meal available on the plane--again, highly overpriced and, to me, largely inedible. Instead I brought crackers and cheese and peanut butter to make a snack. They confiscated my unopened jar of peanut butter. On the return trip, they confiscated a tube of hair gel, and an unopened jar of blueberry jam. Both, mind you, were also in my carry-on bag on the outgoing trip and were not taken at that time. When I went to check the tube of hair gel so I could remember it when I had to purchase another, I had a VERY hard time with the asshole just to see the front of the tube, because I couldn't read the label.

The airlines are now nickel and dimeing you to death. Because of all these extraneous fees, bringing the cost of your flight up considerably. Going to Vegas, I had to take some items to my brother, and therefore had two suitcases to check. The first bag cost me $25, the second one was $35--an additional $60 on top of the price for the ticket itself. On the way home, I was able to consolidate the two suitcases, and put one inside the other in order to bring them both back. The result was a suitcase that weighed nearly 50 lbs. I don't know about other people, but I have a variety of conditions which leave me unable to carry a whole lot, and I had to rely on others to take that suitcase on my own. In addition, the new rules leave almost every single person bringing on carry-on bags and trying to stuff them into the overhead compartments.

The result? Extreme weight right over everyone's heads during the flights, which, in my estimation, could be disastrous if the plane crashed or was damaged in some way. In addition, it seems to me that this will leave planes top-heavy, and physically crippling in some kinds of weather and conditions. I could be totally wrong on this, but even if I'm wrong, it would take considerably more than an explanation to allay my trepidations on this issue.

The planes themselves are jam-packed to the point of bursting. The airlines justify this by bitching about the price of fuel, but I came up with some numbers:

The average 320A (I believe that is correct) has room for 200 passengers. Now, despite wildly varying prices of tickets, $400 is not out of line for the average fare (this is based on a transcontinental flight like the ones I took), and that means on one such trip, $80,000 is not out of line for the amount brought in for one such flight. Right now, the cost of a gallon of aircraft fuel is $3.12. An Airbus A320 burns roughly 30,000- 35000 lbs of fuel on a cross country flight (approximately 4475 - 5225 gallons). Answer supplied through Yahoo questions http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20080114102113AA839TN) Roughly, that means $16,302 is spent on fuel.

So how does the airline justify adding fuel surcharges on every plane that carries a full load of passengers? It seems to me that a new plane design, independent of kick-backs and favored manufacturers, based strictly on design benefits, COMFORT and fuel efficiency could bring the cost of an airline ticket down significantly.

I'm a passenger, not a pilot, not an airline employee, not an estimator, not an aircraft designer, et al, and even I can see where the cost of flying is built solely on profit for the airlines, NOT for the passengers at all, not even an itsy bitsy tiny amount. We are cattle, sardines, or any other synonym you can conjure to illustrate the feeling of traveling with too many people, inadequate passenger comforts, and WAY too much rigamarole to make any person feel right during a flight.

I'm not complaining about service--employees of most airlines are excellent, and I can't really bitch about most TSA personnel, as for the most part, they've been very pleasant. But the arbitrary standards, the "it's just the way it is" attitude, the general agony of traveling on any aircraft, unless you're rich enough to afford first class, fills me with anxiety. I'm short, so my feet don't touch the floor, so I end up with pains in my legs, plus health issues make my legs and ankles swell dangerously (on the trip home, they swelled to about 3x-4x times normal and they STILL haven't come down to normal), catching colds or other problems among other passengers through airborne viruses, seat backs, which do not support your spine with their design, and airlines filling every plane to bursting points makes me hesitate tremendously in flying for any reason. I can't stomach the costs, the food, the stuffiness, or the discomfort unless it is essential that I must endure a long flight.

I don't know about anyone else, but I think we should return to the days when airlines were regulated, where standards were kept up, and when costs were carefully studied and maintained. I don't think I smell like a sardine or a cow, and I know I don't have enough money to buy the "comfort" of first class. I'd love to see a day when travel held a little bit more pleasure and planes weren't so claustrophobic.

(Despite the seeming contradiction I make in questioning the cost of tickets at similar rates nearly everywhere on line, and the idea of returning to regulating airlines, the notion is not contradictory. I think conditions should be monitored by government to make certain that airlines can be limited in the surcharges they make, the additional fees they charge for almost everything to do with a flight, the need for justifying increases in fares, or making at least reasonable standards across the whole industry. Regulating can help lower the cost of travel by making all airlines adopt similar price tiers and conveniences, as well as insure passengers will be treated to roughly the same experience, regardless of which airline they choose to fly. Extras offered by airlines, apart from simple creature comfort, could still be offered, such as flight clubs, airline mileage rewards, etc., with sensible fees for them would not really be affected by regulation.)

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Flying in a sardine can and other travel misery (Original Post) hyphenate Jun 2012 OP
Who deregulated the airlines? AnotherMcIntosh Jun 2012 #1
... hyphenate Jun 2012 #4
Not JFK. AnotherMcIntosh Jun 2012 #6
I never said it was JFK hyphenate Jun 2012 #9
Carter GCP Jun 2012 #14
It was really this guy. Alfred E. Kahn. trof Jun 2012 #29
Thank you. AnotherMcIntosh Jun 2012 #33
I avoid air travel as much as possible.... mike_c Jun 2012 #2
I don't fly at all anymore quinnox Jun 2012 #3
I traveled for a living for many years, I loved flying and living in hotels. Egalitarian Thug Jun 2012 #25
That's what I've been tempted to tell my mom since I found out about our vacation. AverageJoe90 Jun 2012 #39
When you figure your fuel costs Meiko Jun 2012 #5
Any checked item or baggage hyphenate Jun 2012 #10
I know Meiko Jun 2012 #40
re-posting my thoughts from a similar thread: Blue_Tires Jun 2012 #7
Thanks for your input hyphenate Jun 2012 #16
Hey, they still let you sit inside the plane! Buns_of_Fire Jun 2012 #8
I've done cross country many times hyphenate Jun 2012 #17
The cost of fuel is just one expense and not the largest Major Nikon Jun 2012 #11
I've seen a lot of figures hyphenate Jun 2012 #18
It depends on what airline you fly Major Nikon Jun 2012 #22
"increased efficiency" and lower wages. trof Jun 2012 #31
No doubt about it. Flying has become a very unpleasant experience lapislzi Jun 2012 #12
Amen! hyphenate Jun 2012 #19
Flying is a very pleasant experience and I do it as much as possible Major Nikon Jun 2012 #23
People seem to have forgotten that all the American airlines, except Southwest, were in Egalitarian Thug Jun 2012 #13
Exactly one of my points hyphenate Jun 2012 #20
The fact that the sheeple put up with it with nary a bleat is what I find most depressing. Egalitarian Thug Jun 2012 #26
So, are the airines making obscene profits, like the oil companies? Mister Ed Jun 2012 #15
This link hyphenate Jun 2012 #21
American Airlines is in bankruptcy as we speak. trof Jun 2012 #32
We CAN'T increase regulations for airlines, silly. That would kestrel91316 Jun 2012 #24
The fact that that doesn't hyphenate Jun 2012 #34
I'm not going to defend flying (I despise it), but I think it's mostly a bargain. Auggie Jun 2012 #27
I don't think I would want nationalization hyphenate Jun 2012 #35
Then don't fly. MadHound Jun 2012 #28
I don't fly anymore either. bvar22 Jun 2012 #30
I don't usually go anywhere hyphenate Jun 2012 #36
Getting rid of the idiotic TSA would be a good start Sirveri Jun 2012 #37
Seriously - I wanted to go to Michigan for a friends' charity fundraiser. Initech Jun 2012 #38
Interestingly enough hyphenate Jun 2012 #41

hyphenate

(12,496 posts)
9. I never said it was JFK
Fri Jun 1, 2012, 04:45 PM
Jun 2012

If you are looking at the PFK quote and image, that is my sig line, not part of my post.

trof

(54,256 posts)
29. It was really this guy. Alfred E. Kahn.
Fri Jun 1, 2012, 07:23 PM
Jun 2012

Isn't he a sweet looking fella?
Fucking bloodsucker.


Alfred Edward Kahn (October 17, 1917 – December 27, 2010) was an American professor, an expert in regulation and deregulation, and an important influence in the deregulation of the airline and energy industries.[1] Commonly known as the "Father of Airline Deregulation,"[2] he chaired the Civil Aeronautics Board during the period when it ended its regulation of the airline industry, paving the way for low-cost airlines, from People Express to Southwest Airlines.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alfred_E._Kahn

I'm a retired airline pilot.
I celebrate the day of his death every year.
At least I outlived the bastard.
I should find his grave and dance on it every December 27.
He ruined more lives and careers than Rmoney.

mike_c

(36,281 posts)
2. I avoid air travel as much as possible....
Fri Jun 1, 2012, 04:10 PM
Jun 2012

I bloody well despise getting on an airplane these days, and it's all because of the discomfort, inconvenience, and delay airlines and airports create. Unfortunately, my work requires me to fly once every couple of months-- not a road warrior by any means, but more frequently than I like. I pretty much NEVER fly for personal travel any more, although I do have one unavoidable cross country trip to make next October that I'm already dreading. International flights are not quite so bad, although the airports still suck. Unless I'm on a tight schedule, or someone else is paying for it, I don't fly any longer. I live on the west coast and consider just about everywhere west of Denver to be within driving range.

 

quinnox

(20,600 posts)
3. I don't fly at all anymore
Fri Jun 1, 2012, 04:17 PM
Jun 2012

As that famous movie line goes "I had a bad experience" .

And it sounds like a nightmare nowadays to do so. Jesus, so you can't even get non-stop flights these days?? I would hate that, stopping in various cities and then waiting to take off multiple times...ugh

And now the tickets are expensive too? It used to be cheap to fly, that sucks. Fuck it , I'll take the train, or go by car or bus rather then endure all that crap.

 

Egalitarian Thug

(12,448 posts)
25. I traveled for a living for many years, I loved flying and living in hotels.
Fri Jun 1, 2012, 06:21 PM
Jun 2012

I quit after the idiocy took hold and have only flown once in the last 10 years. If someone wants me to go somewhere they can budget time & money for me to drive or they can pay for a train.

 

AverageJoe90

(10,745 posts)
39. That's what I've been tempted to tell my mom since I found out about our vacation.
Sat Jun 2, 2012, 03:34 AM
Jun 2012

I've hated flying since 9/11 happened. Always been a little concerned about accidents and terrorism and such....though unfortunately I have no bloody choice in the matter.

One thing's for sure; I won't ever be flying again for a long time once this trip is over.

 

Meiko

(1,076 posts)
5. When you figure your fuel costs
Fri Jun 1, 2012, 04:28 PM
Jun 2012

the airplane you are flying on might be full but there are many more out there that are not even close to being full, some are basically hauling fuel. They average their fuel costs across the fleet. I am sorry that your personal stature does not allow you to fly comfortably but is hardly the airlines fault, neither is having items confiscated by the TSA. Flying has always been a pain in the butt, I have done plenty of it. As far as regulation goes do you really want the airlines overseen by a group of people similar to those running the TSA, I don't. Why did you have to pay extra for your bags? were they overweight?

I hear your concerns and I don't want to seen uncaring but perhaps you should consider another mode of travel next time. It seems like you and flying just don't get along.

hyphenate

(12,496 posts)
10. Any checked item or baggage
Fri Jun 1, 2012, 05:01 PM
Jun 2012

costs $25 for the first bag, $35 for the second. I don't know how much further items cost, because all I had were 2.

The problems with the TSA, etc. are just part of the pattern of misery. At least in my experience.

If I could get from Boston to Las Vegas any other way, I would. But I can't. Ibi ire.

 

Meiko

(1,076 posts)
40. I know
Sat Jun 2, 2012, 05:39 AM
Jun 2012

it seems ridiculous that the the airline would charge extra for checked baggage. Are they all doing it do you know. I don't fly anymore so I am out of the loop. When I was sitting here reading your post I could feel your pain, really. I got the message that you are someone who is totally fed up with the flying experience and would do just about anything to avoid it.

Flying certainly isn't what it used to be that's for sure. It really seems that they could care less about you and are only concerned with profit, and if you raise a stink about it you get arrested and hauled off the airplane. Try to hang in there, plan ahead as far as you can and travel as light as you can. Thanks for the post.

Blue_Tires

(55,445 posts)
7. re-posting my thoughts from a similar thread:
Fri Jun 1, 2012, 04:35 PM
Jun 2012
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=715440


and I'll answer these points:

The result? Extreme weight right over everyone's heads during the flights, which, in my estimation, could be disastrous if the plane crashed or was damaged in some way. In addition, it seems to me that this will leave planes top-heavy, and physically crippling in some kinds of weather and conditions. I could be totally wrong on this, but even if I'm wrong, it would take considerably more than an explanation to allay my trepidations on this issue.

The planes themselves are jam-packed to the point of bursting. The airlines justify this by bitching about the price of fuel, but I came up with some numbers:

1. The overhead packages are secure...Yes, it takes that much longer for people to get on and get off now, but we gotta live with it...

2. No--The aircraft do not get "top-heavy"...That's pretty much impossible, although it is possible to have cargo weight too far fore/aft, the pilots calculate the distribution before takeoff


It used to be easy to get a non-stop flight from one major city to another. At one time, even, I recall it was more expensive for multiple flights on a trip. Now, the non-stop flights are literally hundreds more dollars than what the travel sites can offer. Having multiple stops now increases the anxiety level, as you are forced to endure more take-offs and landings, wasting time in airports with nothing to offer except overpriced (grossly overpriced!) food, snacks, or anything purveyors hope you will buy at the last minute. Ten dollars for a Burger King Whopper meal is simply untenable.


This is all dependant on distance, time of year, the hubs of that particular airline, how many people regularly travel between the cities and and the type of aircraft you're flying in...Yes, I remember one or two rare occasions as a kid when I took a 727 at like 25 percent capacity to Tampa from Norfolk, but the modern business model and the price of fuel can't justify that anymore

hyphenate

(12,496 posts)
16. Thanks for your input
Fri Jun 1, 2012, 05:26 PM
Jun 2012

I just think that air travel has now become more of a 99% issue. Cattle in the back, ranchersi in the front. Of course, cattle don't need creature comforts.

Buns_of_Fire

(17,189 posts)
8. Hey, they still let you sit inside the plane!
Fri Jun 1, 2012, 04:42 PM
Jun 2012

As for me, my flying days are over. Yes, I'm still pissed at the TSA pouring out 3/4 bottle of perfectly good tequila when leaving Las Vegas, with only the comment "it smells dangerous." They wouldn't even let me take a goodbye sip.

If I have to travel any distance anymore, it'll be by Greyhound. At least you get to meet an interesting group of people at the depots and WhatABurgers along the way.

hyphenate

(12,496 posts)
17. I've done cross country many times
Fri Jun 1, 2012, 05:28 PM
Jun 2012

Bus, car, moving truck, airplane. I haven't done it by train, though I've done train down the eastern seaboard.

If there was time, I would have done it by some other means. The fact is, it wasn't and isn't possible. Therefore, I ask my doctor for a mild tranquilizer to get from coast to coast, and hope that I make it without too much trouble.

Major Nikon

(36,827 posts)
11. The cost of fuel is just one expense and not the largest
Fri Jun 1, 2012, 05:01 PM
Jun 2012

The largest expense any airline has is employee costs. The crew of the aircraft is just one part of that expense. They also have mechanics, baggage handlers, gate agents, and dozens of other types of employees behind the scenes making this all happen. The reason why fuel prices for airlines are such a big consideration is because they are more volatile than any other expense airlines have.

Most estimates I've seen say the inflation adjusted price of airline travel today is around 30-40% cheaper compared to before deregulation. Some of these savings are due to increased efficiency.

hyphenate

(12,496 posts)
18. I've seen a lot of figures
Fri Jun 1, 2012, 05:36 PM
Jun 2012

And while things were cheaper at one point in the past, the truth is, you were able to check your bag without a big deal, and you got a meal during a 5 or 6 hour flight. You almost always got a direct flight (LAX to BOS, or LAS to BOS, and vice versa) with no extra hassles.

Now, it's the illusion of a certain price. Okay, so your ticket is $350, but hey, you have to endure a stop with the extra time attached, the extra anxiety of that stop, oh, and if you have luggage, it's $25 for the first bag, and if you want a meal, that's okay, but it's $10, and even if you choose to buy it before you board, it's still about $10. And there are, of course, all the extra administrative fees, the fuel surcharge, the smaller planes with all the seats filled (the dreaded "middle" seat always beckoning you), and well, you have to arrive at the airport 2 hours ahead of time, etc.

I may be remembering travel with a pair of rosy tinted glasses, but I used to travel pretty extensively, including getting rewards of a trip for two to Europe and one to Hawaii. Now, the most I've flown in the past 9 years has been three times, and each time it seems to be worse and worse.

Major Nikon

(36,827 posts)
22. It depends on what airline you fly
Fri Jun 1, 2012, 05:53 PM
Jun 2012

It's possible to get $9 fares with Spirit Airlines, so you can bet there's a healthy dose of fees that are going to be hard, if not impossible to avoid. Southwest Airlines has virtually no fees for anything, but then they are and always have been a no-frills airline.

I have mixed feelings about fees. In some ways they are good. It costs the airlines more money to carry more weight, more bags, and to provide free meals. Why should I pay for those things if I'm not using them or don't want them? So in some ways, fees are good for the consumer. However, when the airlines are using fees to hide the realistic price of a ticket, something should be done to level the playing field for consumers so they can compare apples to apples when they are searching for a ticket.

lapislzi

(5,762 posts)
12. No doubt about it. Flying has become a very unpleasant experience
Fri Jun 1, 2012, 05:05 PM
Jun 2012

When my parents were young adults, flying was an unimaginable luxury. If one could afford to fly at all, one dressed up--men in suits, women wearing their finest millinery. And it was an event. One's family escorted one to the gate and there were good-byes and handkerchief wavings. I remember a friend going to study abroad when I was a teenager. There was a farewell party in full swing at the gate.

Nowadays (and don't mistake me for a pearl clutcher), we're lucky if folks who are boarding the plane are at least not wearing their pajamas. (Although often they are).

As a child, I aspired to fly in a plane one day. Obviously, I've got my wish many times over, and as ironies are wont to go, I hope I never have to again, at least under the current conditions. It is demeaning, humiliating, uncomfortable, expensive, and unnecessarily time-consuming. It's supposed to be FASTER to fly somewhere than to drive there. Now I take a hard look at my destination and adjust the fly/drive threshold. Anything closer than 8 hours away is worth driving to.

When the best you can say about an airline experience is that it "wasn't awful," something's wrong.

hyphenate

(12,496 posts)
19. Amen!
Fri Jun 1, 2012, 05:42 PM
Jun 2012

I get asked how it was, and I think back to the moments I was thinking we were going to crash, the constant turbulence, the time wasted at the stop over, the time wasted at the airport, the feeling of nausea at times, and I answer, "It was okay." People have to experience it themselves to understand.

 

Egalitarian Thug

(12,448 posts)
13. People seem to have forgotten that all the American airlines, except Southwest, were in
Fri Jun 1, 2012, 05:09 PM
Jun 2012

or on the verge of bankruptcy on Sept. 10, 2001. 9/11 worked out very well for them, until their mismanagement caught up to them again.

hyphenate

(12,496 posts)
20. Exactly one of my points
Fri Jun 1, 2012, 05:43 PM
Jun 2012

They used--and continue to use--9/11 as a reason for all the shit they put us through.

 

Egalitarian Thug

(12,448 posts)
26. The fact that the sheeple put up with it with nary a bleat is what I find most depressing.
Fri Jun 1, 2012, 06:33 PM
Jun 2012

I have no doubt that the Fourth Reich will find its home right here and that most of us will go right along with it.

Mister Ed

(5,943 posts)
15. So, are the airines making obscene profits, like the oil companies?
Fri Jun 1, 2012, 05:11 PM
Jun 2012

Or are they or just scraping by, and maybe going bankrupt?

If it's the former, then I'd say they're overcharging us for the kind of service we're getting. If it's the latter, then I'd have a hard time making that argument.

 

kestrel91316

(51,666 posts)
24. We CAN'T increase regulations for airlines, silly. That would
Fri Jun 1, 2012, 06:02 PM
Jun 2012

adversely affect corporate profits, and that is strictly verboten in the US.

Auggie

(31,182 posts)
27. I'm not going to defend flying (I despise it), but I think it's mostly a bargain.
Fri Jun 1, 2012, 06:51 PM
Jun 2012

$460 from San Francisco to New York (JetBlue/Expedia)? Comparatively, in 1982 dollars, it would be equal to $193.00. You couldn't fly across country for that 30 years ago. Add in the convenience factor -- coast to coast in about six hours. That's a good use of my time.

I can't imagine how these low fares are sustainable unless airlines tack on extra costs for baggage, meals, etc. so they can turn a profit. Execs need their exorbitant salaries and stockholders want returns.

People expect low prices for air travel and food and clothing but I think they're mostly jaded about what things really cost when not made by non-union overseas labor, robots, or factory farms. Shop at the Farmers' Market and you'll get an education.

Domestic flying is pretty much still a hands-on business that requires Americans to operate it. And that costs money. So yeah, they cut services and charge for extras and screw their employees because everyone bitches about the fares. That's why air travel sucks.

Yep -- regulate. Better yet, NATIONALIZE.

hyphenate

(12,496 posts)
35. I don't think I would want nationalization
Sat Jun 2, 2012, 12:15 AM
Jun 2012

because of the possibility that standards would degrade instead of allowing for innovation and even some lively competition in terms of customer benefits. The airlines can't offer the public any new ideas right now, but some regulation would hopefully open up new areas for exploration in fuel usage and other things.

 

MadHound

(34,179 posts)
28. Then don't fly.
Fri Jun 1, 2012, 06:55 PM
Jun 2012

Airlines were getting to be a pain before 911, and exponentially so after. So I simply stopped using airlines. Much more fun to drive and see the country, I don't have to deal with the airline hassle, and I'm dramatically shrinking my carbon footprint.

bvar22

(39,909 posts)
30. I don't fly anymore either.
Fri Jun 1, 2012, 07:42 PM
Jun 2012

I used to enjoy air travel,
and flew frequently.
Now I used other modes,
or don't go.

In the past 12 years I've flown once,
a short domestic flight to my Dad's funeral in 2003.
I don't anticipate ever flying by airline again.

hyphenate

(12,496 posts)
36. I don't usually go anywhere
Sat Jun 2, 2012, 12:24 AM
Jun 2012

and haven't traveled but three times in the past 9 years. I've done cross country many times including once by myself and three cats in 1987. The country is nice to see, but it's become difficult to see any a whole lot of individuality anymore, what with franchises just about everywhere.

Flying was necessary. In January, I went to see my brother, and I got to see my mom for the last time, barely a month and a week before she died. This trip was a release--something I needed very badly. Time was, as always, a factor.

I don't have a car anymore, and can't afford one. My brother paid my airfare. I didn't argue.

Sirveri

(4,517 posts)
37. Getting rid of the idiotic TSA would be a good start
Sat Jun 2, 2012, 02:53 AM
Jun 2012

The next would be regulating passenger seat sizes so it wasn't quite a sardine like experience and larger folks could actually fly without feeling like they were inconveniencing their neighbors.

Initech

(100,098 posts)
38. Seriously - I wanted to go to Michigan for a friends' charity fundraiser.
Sat Jun 2, 2012, 03:16 AM
Jun 2012

But the cost of travel anymore is just fucking unreal. Like the cost of a flight from LA - Detroit was like $740 just for the cheap seats. On Southwest Airlines no less. WTF is going on here????

hyphenate

(12,496 posts)
41. Interestingly enough
Sat Jun 2, 2012, 12:02 PM
Jun 2012

This article came out yesterday--I didn't see it when I wrote this post:

http://www.cnn.com/2012/06/01/travel/air-rage/index.html


(CNN) -- When it comes to air travel, just about everyone has a complaint, no matter which security line they use.

Passengers are tired of long lines, baggage fees and last-minute delays. Airline employees and flight attendants could do without the cranky travelers who refuse to wait patiently, turn off cell phones or stay in their seats.

Sometimes that frustration escalates into "air rage" incidents that still disturb the friendly skies post-September 11. Reported instances of unruly passengers rose internationally about 29% between 2009 and 2010, following an estimated 27% rise between 2008 and 2009, according to the International Air Transport Association, which represents about 240 airlines worldwide.

<snip>

Americans of a certain age might recall a time when airlines were the gold standard of customer service, when champagne flowed freely and every passenger received a hot meal. It was also the era when air travel was strictly the domain of the wealthy and business passengers, and family travel was reserved for the most special of occasions.

The golden days of air travel: How glorious were they?

Service began to deteriorate with the deregulation of the industry in 1978 and continued into the 1990s with the arrival of bargain airlines, airline industry expert Joyce Hunter wrote in her book, "Anger in the Air." Airlines across the board were forced to cut prices to keep up, leading to cutbacks in service and amenities that had defined the golden era of air travel.



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I guess my concerns are of a timely nature; I often operate in a near-vacuum, so perhaps it's part of the global subconscious.

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