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Tommy_Carcetti

(43,128 posts)
Mon Jan 18, 2016, 11:38 PM Jan 2016

I'm sorry. I keep on going back to the fact that DONALD TRUMP CANNOT SPEAK.

Yes, he talks. And talks. And talks. And talks.

But I'm not talking about talking. I'm talking about speaking.

And he seems completely incapable of giving an actual coherent, organized, thought out public speech.

Yes, the argument can be made that in politics, talk is cheap. And I'm sure we've all felt let down by at least one politician who gave great speeches but failed to follow up with concrete results.

But still, there's something to be said about someone who can speak to inspire or move, or make us think about something greater than just them. I saw it last week at the State of the Union. I beamed at President Obama's speech. He made me feel proud and hopeful, even despite the fact that we still have problems in the world. And while those are just feelings, I'm glad there's someone out there who can use the power of words to convey a idea of something more than yourself.

I actually tried listening to Trump's speech from Liberty University today. Because I wanted to know if somehow, there was something I was missing about the man's appeal. I knew I would vehemently disagree with his message, but that wasn't my purpose here.

But it was nothing. It was absolutely nothing. He talked about his poll numbers, then building a wall, then mocking his opponents, then China, then his poll numbers, then Iran, then building a wall, then mocking his opponents, then China.....no more than a minute on any subject before switching to another subject. There was no actual thought put into this. He was just talking and talking and talking. Not once was he actually speaking.

Today, we celebrate one of the greatest orators in American history, a man whose powerful words struck deep into the hearts of millions and help changed this country for the better. And thank God we have recordings of his speeches on records, so that people like me--who were born long after Martin Luther King was shot dead in Memphis--could continue to marvel at that awesome ability long after he died.

Martin Luther King did not talk. He spoke. And the narcissistic, incoherent drivel I heard today was as far from speaking as was humanly possible.

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I'm sorry. I keep on going back to the fact that DONALD TRUMP CANNOT SPEAK. (Original Post) Tommy_Carcetti Jan 2016 OP
he is a supreme narcissist Skittles Jan 2016 #1
So true. nt laundry_queen Jan 2016 #20
Or if his target demographics were different awoke_in_2003 Jan 2016 #36
in other words, he is a perfect reality TV character. Nothing more. NRaleighLiberal Jan 2016 #2
Trump sounds great to haters . All he has to do is project their hate and they love him back Person 2713 Jan 2016 #3
Donald Trump is doing someting far more dangerous than just talk nadinbrzezinski Jan 2016 #4
I agree, he speaks emotionally like he's speaking to a fellow conspirator flamingdem Jan 2016 #9
All leftists regardless of their creed, skin color or KingCharlemagne Jan 2016 #11
Yup and people need to stop thinking nadinbrzezinski Jan 2016 #13
Without mentioning specific plans, all leftists should consider KingCharlemagne Jan 2016 #16
I know nadinbrzezinski Jan 2016 #17
Word. cheapdate Jan 2016 #5
Charlie Pierce of Esquire calls Trump a "vulgar talking yam," - nt KingCharlemagne Jan 2016 #6
He speaks to the Sarah Palin level literates in the country TeamPooka Jan 2016 #7
Trump speaks New York, Queens to be specific flamingdem Jan 2016 #8
I've heard him give that same speech.... world wide wally Jan 2016 #10
It hasn't changed a bit since June. Tommy_Carcetti Jan 2016 #29
He's at the same stage as Ronald Reagan was, slick incoherence. L. Coyote Jan 2016 #12
Trump talks like a 3rd grade boy, says linguist. Avalux Jan 2016 #14
Nobody: My name is Exaybachay. He Who Talks Loud, Saying Nothing. Monk06 Jan 2016 #15
I (accidentally), tuned in for a minute or two... MoonchildCA Jan 2016 #18
I think you analyzed it perfectly. 3catwoman3 Jan 2016 #19
Yammers. That is the *perfect* term for what Trump does. nt laundry_queen Jan 2016 #21
Very well put, he is nothing but a blowhard. smirkymonkey Jan 2016 #35
Incapable of giving an actual coherent, organized, throught out public speech. TrollBuster9090 Jan 2016 #22
He's hawrrible, really hawrrible. LOL nt Live and Learn Jan 2016 #23
you must be jealous of his poll numbers JI7 Jan 2016 #24
You are gravely mistaken anigbrowl Jan 2016 #25
add Sarah Palin as his running mate 2pooped2pop Jan 2016 #26
Oh god no....... KentuckyWoman Jan 2016 #30
This message was self-deleted by its author darkangel218 Jan 2016 #27
He's no Democrat. Tommy_Carcetti Jan 2016 #32
Lol thats true. darkangel218 Jan 2016 #33
The funny thing is he's convinced he's a genius.... Spitfire of ATJ Jan 2016 #28
Well at least he doesn't use a teleprompter! redwitch Jan 2016 #31
He's never had to learn to speak, or much of anything else. Orsino Jan 2016 #34

Skittles

(153,095 posts)
1. he is a supreme narcissist
Mon Jan 18, 2016, 11:39 PM
Jan 2016

I guarantee you he could give a perfect speech if the only subject was himself

 

awoke_in_2003

(34,582 posts)
36. Or if his target demographics were different
Tue Jan 19, 2016, 08:18 PM
Jan 2016

His people have low attention spans. If something can't be expressed on a bumper sticker, they won't get it

NRaleighLiberal

(60,004 posts)
2. in other words, he is a perfect reality TV character. Nothing more.
Mon Jan 18, 2016, 11:40 PM
Jan 2016

We know there is no reality to reality TV, of course.


 

nadinbrzezinski

(154,021 posts)
4. Donald Trump is doing someting far more dangerous than just talk
Mon Jan 18, 2016, 11:45 PM
Jan 2016

he is activating feelings and an ideology in the fear centers of the brain, and what he is doing is best described as brilliant... from a media perspective.

Under estimate at your peril

flamingdem

(39,308 posts)
9. I agree, he speaks emotionally like he's speaking to a fellow conspirator
Mon Jan 18, 2016, 11:57 PM
Jan 2016

and he's the obnoxious leader of a fun tribe. I think he reaches into that level of irresponsible child and people feel good when they connect with that memory.

 

KingCharlemagne

(7,908 posts)
11. All leftists regardless of their creed, skin color or
Mon Jan 18, 2016, 11:59 PM
Jan 2016

country of origin need to start contingency planning NOW.

 

nadinbrzezinski

(154,021 posts)
13. Yup and people need to stop thinking
Tue Jan 19, 2016, 12:00 AM
Jan 2016

this is nazi party 1929 Time joke and all.

Springtime for Trump will not be fun

 

KingCharlemagne

(7,908 posts)
16. Without mentioning specific plans, all leftists should consider
Tue Jan 19, 2016, 12:26 AM
Jan 2016

that a President Trump would preside at the helm of a vicious, anti-leftist one-party state. We are probably all in one or more databases already and the movers and shakers behind the putative one-party state probaby have enabling legislation already drafted calling for our mass detention.

So contingency planning should follow one of two strains: emigrating via legal or extralegal channels or remaining to form an internal resistance.

People in Germany in 1932 probably laughed too. Hitler got rid of Socialists and Communists long before he turned to the Jews and untermenschen

 

nadinbrzezinski

(154,021 posts)
17. I know
Tue Jan 19, 2016, 12:28 AM
Jan 2016

and I am not laughing.

I came out and said it last year at Reporting San Diego that Trump had a good change of winning the nomination, It is kind of funny to see mainstream media now join me there. I still do not think he has a chance to win the general, but then there is this issue about central tabulators...

flamingdem

(39,308 posts)
8. Trump speaks New York, Queens to be specific
Mon Jan 18, 2016, 11:56 PM
Jan 2016

I can't stand that I hear my own accent and way of speaking on display with him sometimes. Something along the lines of - can't be bothered to slow down long enough to make this sentence pretty - so chop it up and use slang. Most people grow out of that way of speaking but he didn't.

Tommy_Carcetti

(43,128 posts)
29. It hasn't changed a bit since June.
Tue Jan 19, 2016, 11:24 AM
Jan 2016

When he descended from Trump Tower via the Golden Escalator.

The only difference now is that he's not paying people to show up.

L. Coyote

(51,129 posts)
12. He's at the same stage as Ronald Reagan was, slick incoherence.
Mon Jan 18, 2016, 11:59 PM
Jan 2016

His incoherence, that is what you are pointing to, much like Reagan's may well be the sort of thing you see a neurologist about. We don't need another guy at the helm who can't remember yesterday.

Avalux

(35,015 posts)
14. Trump talks like a 3rd grade boy, says linguist.
Tue Jan 19, 2016, 12:03 AM
Jan 2016

I remember reading that a couple of months ago. Since 21% of adults read below a 5th grade level, it's quite possible that they are the people Trump is working up into a frenzy.

He's not stupid, and I doubt he talks to his peers like that when doing business. There's a reason for it.

MoonchildCA

(1,301 posts)
18. I (accidentally), tuned in for a minute or two...
Tue Jan 19, 2016, 01:36 AM
Jan 2016

...and heard him saying something to the gist of "winning, winning, winning, not losing, but winning...
It reminded me so much of Charlie Sheen (on drugs) whom I equally abhor, I couldn't change the channel quickly enough.

3catwoman3

(23,931 posts)
19. I think you analyzed it perfectly.
Tue Jan 19, 2016, 02:07 AM
Jan 2016

He yammers away, but says nothing. He parrots the same things over, and over, and over, with very minor variations. If not for self-praise, denigrating others, and making fanciful promises that will be impossible to keep, he would have nothing to say.

He does not inspire. He incites. Other than that, there's no there there.

TrollBuster9090

(5,953 posts)
22. Incapable of giving an actual coherent, organized, throught out public speech.
Tue Jan 19, 2016, 02:19 AM
Jan 2016
"And he seems completely incapable of giving an actual coherent, organized, thought out public speech. "


I don't know if he's incapable or not. As far as I can tell, he's never actually TRIED. Giving a public speech involves having at least SOME of the points you're going to make, and some of the prose, planned out ahead of time. Even Sarah Palin had three bullet points scrawled on her hand in felt pen. And that's setting the bar pretty damned low. But Trump doesn't even do that! He just shows up at the podium, and starts spontaneously pulling partial sentences out of his ass!

But it doesn't make any difference, because he's talking to an audience of morons with authoritarian personalities. All they need is for their 'leader' to be loud, petulant, pugilistic; and to hate the same people THEY hate.


 

anigbrowl

(13,889 posts)
25. You are gravely mistaken
Tue Jan 19, 2016, 02:37 AM
Jan 2016

Trump is indeed rambling and frequently self-contradictory. This isn't because he can't speak, it's a deliberate strategy to create cognitive dissonance in his audience and get them to shut down the more rational analytical part of their brains so he can address the more subconscious emotional triggers. People don't go to Trump rallies to think, but to feel. He understands his audience very well and whenever he senses they're getting bored he switches to something that will get a predictable applause line.

Don't underestimate him based on how he performs at his rallies. He is much shrewder than he appears and is deliberately mirroring his audience's mentality to create identification.

Response to Tommy_Carcetti (Original post)

Tommy_Carcetti

(43,128 posts)
32. He's no Democrat.
Tue Jan 19, 2016, 11:31 AM
Jan 2016

He's a Trump, who belongs to the party of Trump and worships at the Church of the Most Holy Trump.

redwitch

(14,938 posts)
31. Well at least he doesn't use a teleprompter!
Tue Jan 19, 2016, 11:27 AM
Jan 2016


I want to be inspired when our President speaks! I want our President to be smart, articulate, compassionate, passionate!

Orsino

(37,428 posts)
34. He's never had to learn to speak, or much of anything else.
Tue Jan 19, 2016, 01:17 PM
Jan 2016

That in itself isn't a bar to the presidency.

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