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Ford_Prefect

(7,925 posts)
Fri Jan 22, 2016, 04:40 PM Jan 2016

U.S. to Put 'Boots on the Ground' in Iraq to Combat ISIL.

Here we go boys and girls...

Defense Secretary Carter announces plans to deploy 101st Airborne Division in latest escalation of war.
By Adam Johnson / AlterNet January 22, 2016

In an op-ed in Politico and in an appearance at Davos World Economic Forum Friday morning, Secretary of Defense Ash Carter announced the U.S. will deploy "boots on the ground" in Iraq to help local forces fight the so-called Islamic State. The policy shift is a turnaround from the Obama's White House's previous stance of not deploying combat troops in Iraq and one sure to shape the foreign policy debate in the 2016 election.

Though the U.S. military presence in Iraq has been steadily growing over the past year-and-a-half this marks the first time an express acknowledgment of ground troops has been made by a senior official. The first of such deployments will, according to Sec. Carter, be the 101st Airborne Division

"Soldiers in the storied 101st Airborne Division will soon deploy to Iraq to join the fight against ISIL," Carter wrote in Politico. "They will head there with the support of the American people and armed with a clear campaign plan to deliver the barbaric organization a lasting defeat, which I personally shared with them last week at Fort Campbell."


http://www.alternet.org/news-amp-politics/us-put-boots-ground-iraq-combat-isil

Ash Carter's Op-ed in Politico: http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2016/01/ash-carter-isil-fight-213554

Ash Carter: It’s Time to Accelerate the ISIL Fight

The storied 101st Airborne Division will soon deploy 1,800 troops to Iraq to aid in the fight against ISIL. They will head there with the support of the American people and armed with a clear campaign plan to help our allies deliver the barbaric organization a lasting defeat, which I personally shared with them last week at Fort Campbell. I also traveled to U.S. Central Command in Tampa, Florida, where I discussed the plan’s implementation with our top commanders. And this week I visited Paris, a city of determination and resolve, to discuss the plan with our allies.

In Paris, French Minister of Defense Jean-Yves Le Drian and I co-hosted our counterparts from Australia, Germany, Italy, the Netherlands and Britain. Those countries have been the biggest contributors to the counter-ISIL campaign. The military actions that the United States and our partners have taken in recent months have applied unprecedented pressure on ISIL in Iraq and Syria. In recent weeks, ISIL has lost territory, lost key leaders and even lost some of its cash and oil. We are gathering momentum on a number of fronts and are determined to put ISIL on an irreversible path to lasting defeat. Now is the time to do even more.

ISIL is a cancer that threatens to spread. And like all cancers, you can’t cure the disease just by cutting out the tumor. You have to eliminate it wherever it has spread, and stop it from coming back. The coalition military campaign plan the United States has developed, and which our key allies support, focuses on three military objectives: One, destroy the ISIL parent tumor in Iraq and Syria by collapsing its two power centers in Mosul, Iraq and Raqqah, Syria. These cities constitute ISIL’s military, political, economic and ideological centers of gravity, which is why our plan has big arrows pointing toward both. Two, combat the emerging metastases of the ISIL tumor worldwide wherever it appears. Three, our most important mission: Protect the homeland.
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U.S. to Put 'Boots on the Ground' in Iraq to Combat ISIL. (Original Post) Ford_Prefect Jan 2016 OP
I give up. nt elias49 Jan 2016 #1
Clown. TwilightGardener Jan 2016 #2
Clown? randys1 Jan 2016 #27
Yeah, I think Ass Carter is a clown. Or an ass, or even an assclown. TwilightGardener Jan 2016 #33
So much for promises... TM99 Jan 2016 #3
..+1 840high Jan 2016 #4
Unless Abadi and the Iraqi government invites them in Mufaddal Jan 2016 #5
I don't think it'll be easy for the US. elias49 Jan 2016 #10
Obama is part of the problem on this one Mufaddal Jan 2016 #12
That might cause problems, I watched on the TVEE as one of their military leaders Rex Jan 2016 #6
What a nightmare! smirkymonkey Jan 2016 #7
It was noted when he was appointed that Ash Carter is more the Gung-Ho type than his predecessor. Ford_Prefect Jan 2016 #8
Erect bogeymen, wave flag, cheer the troops, rake in the dough. Tierra_y_Libertad Jan 2016 #9
Yep. nt. polly7 Jan 2016 #26
BTW, isn't this an announcement better left to the President TwilightGardener Jan 2016 #11
Deniable plausibility, I suspect. Ford_Prefect Jan 2016 #13
Surely he'll sack Ash ... GeorgeGist Jan 2016 #14
Look at who hired Ash. He's one more Kennedy School of Government alum. New World Order indeed. Ford_Prefect Jan 2016 #17
Cowardly. Also odd considering we supposedly are kicking ass with the air campaign. TwilightGardener Jan 2016 #15
Yes it is. Cayenne Jan 2016 #16
You are over Obama "the clown" per your other comment? randys1 Jan 2016 #28
Wasn't referring to Obama. TwilightGardener Jan 2016 #32
Can we stop saying "boots on the ground"..? Bigmack Jan 2016 #18
I share your perspective but that is the title of the Adam Johnson piece on Alternet. Ford_Prefect Jan 2016 #19
Weep as you hone... Fairgo Jan 2016 #24
gmta. me too uppityperson Jan 2016 #22
Secretary of defense provides insights into ISIL fight, 101st mission pinboy3niner Jan 2016 #20
FWIW, they are PEOPLE, not boots uppityperson Jan 2016 #21
Yeah, it sucks. Obama has struggled dealing with a virtual NIGHTMARE left by Bush... randys1 Jan 2016 #29
And who will keep the peace when our Men and Women come home? One_Life_To_Give Jan 2016 #23
That's one brigade task force. Not a massive "surge." tabasco Jan 2016 #25
We've committed quite a few troops there. Including special forces, we must be getting TwilightGardener Jan 2016 #34
Which says nothing about mercenaries operating in the region. Where "we" go so do they. Ford_Prefect Jan 2016 #35
This will be a question on Monday: thereismore Jan 2016 #30
I remember the news blurbs about Vietnam and Kennedy JonathanRackham Jan 2016 #31

Mufaddal

(1,021 posts)
5. Unless Abadi and the Iraqi government invites them in
Fri Jan 22, 2016, 04:51 PM
Jan 2016

this will be an utter disaster. Now, you might say, "Well, it will be an utter disaster either way," and you could very well be right. But without a green light from Baghdad, we will probably end up with a situation where US forces are taking on both ISIS and the Sadrists.

 

elias49

(4,259 posts)
10. I don't think it'll be easy for the US.
Fri Jan 22, 2016, 05:05 PM
Jan 2016

Abadi seems to do things his own way. Headstrong character.
Apparently he's not very happy with the way the US is dealing with ISIL.
Maybe this is supposed to be the beginning of Obama's coup de gras - 'wiping out ' ISIL and making nice with Iraq. Again.

Mufaddal

(1,021 posts)
12. Obama is part of the problem on this one
Fri Jan 22, 2016, 05:17 PM
Jan 2016

I'll grant you my experience is inherently subjective--though if polling in Iraq existed, I bet you'd find this tracks with reality--but Iraqis overwhelmingly view Obama and the US as one of the main sources of the ISIS problem. Many believe the US government is actively supporting ISIS, and it's not hard to see why: everything we touch in Iraq goes horribly wrong. The US has messed up Iraq so badly that anything the American government does there now will be perceived unfavorably at best. Obama could walk into the Iraqi parliament with bags full of gold for good will, and it would be viewed as a conspiracy to undermine the nation (the Iraqi nation, I mean). After crippling sanctions, two wars, and non-stop bombing raids throughout the Clinton administration, Iraqis are united on at least one thing: they need a serious break from the US.

 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
6. That might cause problems, I watched on the TVEE as one of their military leaders
Fri Jan 22, 2016, 04:53 PM
Jan 2016

said ALL invaders would be treated as hostile.

I guess we don't have to follow any laws...we are America after all, we pave the way.

Ford_Prefect

(7,925 posts)
8. It was noted when he was appointed that Ash Carter is more the Gung-Ho type than his predecessor.
Fri Jan 22, 2016, 04:57 PM
Jan 2016

I have no doubt this is only the 1st visible escalation of many yet to obtain so-called military stability of our "ally".

It may sound tired to some of you to mention that they haven't really learned anything since Vietnam, Laos and Cambodia. Sadly it seems they insist on never acknowledging the real lessons of that era.

Gung-Ho indeed.


Gung ho /ˈɡʌŋˈhoʊ/ is an English term used to mean "enthusiastic" or "overzealous".

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gung-ho

TwilightGardener

(46,416 posts)
11. BTW, isn't this an announcement better left to the President
Fri Jan 22, 2016, 05:05 PM
Jan 2016

rather than this bureaucrat fuckface in a political-gossip blog? I am so over Obama.

TwilightGardener

(46,416 posts)
15. Cowardly. Also odd considering we supposedly are kicking ass with the air campaign.
Fri Jan 22, 2016, 05:27 PM
Jan 2016

I mean, that's what they tell us. We're winning so hard, we now need to launch a ground war, which we've gradually been building up to, without anyone actually ever coming out and saying so.

TwilightGardener

(46,416 posts)
32. Wasn't referring to Obama.
Fri Jan 22, 2016, 08:57 PM
Jan 2016

I respect him despite various disappointments. However, I don't respect some of his staff and cabinet at all.

 

Bigmack

(8,020 posts)
18. Can we stop saying "boots on the ground"..?
Fri Jan 22, 2016, 05:29 PM
Jan 2016

I prefer the more descriptive term "our sons and daughters".

Boots are easily replaced and don't have families.

(You Marines: I don't mean those kind of "boots"... they are easily replaced, too, I know... but I mean the footware.)

Ford_Prefect

(7,925 posts)
19. I share your perspective but that is the title of the Adam Johnson piece on Alternet.
Fri Jan 22, 2016, 05:32 PM
Jan 2016

I'm tired of no one noticing who dies when others decide to escalate, to cut the budget, or change the water. I don't have an eye-catching sound-bite headline phrase for it that won't get me banned for being too forthright and descriptive.

I can't tell if its time to cry for the victims, or sharpen the pitchforks for the congressmen.

pinboy3niner

(53,339 posts)
20. Secretary of defense provides insights into ISIL fight, 101st mission
Fri Jan 22, 2016, 05:42 PM
Jan 2016
January 14, 2016
By Sgt. William White

FORT CAMPBELL, Ky. - U.S. Secretary of Defense Ashton B. Carter visited 101st Airborne Division (Air Assault) Soldiers at Fort Campbell. Jan. 13, 2016.

Carter wanted to speak to 101st Airborne Division Soldiers directly prior to their upcoming deployment in support of Operation Inherent Resolve, in which they will work to train, advise and assist the Iraqi army to defeat the ISIL.

"Frankly, I know the 101st has taken Mosul before, and you could do it again," Carter said while speaking to more than 200 Screaming Eagle Soldiers set to deploy in the coming weeks. "We could deploy multiple brigades on the ground and arrive in force, but then it would likely become our fight and our fight alone."

He also reaffirmed that we cannot leave Syria and Iraq to their fates.

"That kind of indirect approach simply cannot succeed in today's connected and volatile world. That would just give ISIL a safe haven for which to spread its destructive influence and it would surrender the strong and global leadership that the United States stands for. So we can't ignore this fight and we also can't win it from the outside in. That's why our strategic approach is to help local, motivated and capable forces in every way that we can without taking their place. That's why your mission is central to our strategy."

Carter explained to the 101st Soldiers that the U.S. presence has adapted and no longer calls for a significant ground combat role, but requires us to work closely with Iraqi forces as they fight ISIL.

"Training advising and assisting, rather than trying to substitute entirely, is the right approach," Carter said. "We are going to enable local, motivated forces and an international coalition with a clear campaign plan, with American leadership and with all of our awesome capabilities from airstrikes, special forces, cyber tools, intelligence, equipment, mobility and logistics, training, advise and assistance from those on the ground, including you."

...



Photo Credit: Sgt. William White

U.S. Secretary of Defense Ashton B. Carter speaks to 101st Airborne Division (Air Assault) Soldiers during a visit to Fort Campbell, Ky., Jan. 13, 2016. Carter visited Fort Campbell Soldiers to talk about the division's upcoming mission and to thank deploying Soldiers for their sacrifices. (U.S. Army photo by Sgt. William White)

http://www.army.mil/article/160958/Secretary_of_defense_provides_insights_into_ISIL_fight__101st_mission/

uppityperson

(115,681 posts)
21. FWIW, they are PEOPLE, not boots
Fri Jan 22, 2016, 05:53 PM
Jan 2016

I know, it's the jargon used to indicate military but it pisses me off to dehumanize people.

Aside from that, ARGH

randys1

(16,286 posts)
29. Yeah, it sucks. Obama has struggled dealing with a virtual NIGHTMARE left by Bush...
Fri Jan 22, 2016, 07:50 PM
Jan 2016

And he has made his own mistakes, no doubt.

There is no good answer, what W did was so bad, so terribly destructive to that region, that we are now faced with terrible options.

I think ANY involvement there in this manner is wrong, but I dont get a vote.

One_Life_To_Give

(6,036 posts)
23. And who will keep the peace when our Men and Women come home?
Fri Jan 22, 2016, 06:03 PM
Jan 2016

No doubt the US Military will Crush ISIL in any direct confrontation. So their fighters can be expected to melt away into the civilian population. If the same people who dropped their weapons and ran at ISIL's approach are to be left to maintain the Peace. ISIL will retake the country before the last of our people make it home again.

 

tabasco

(22,974 posts)
25. That's one brigade task force. Not a massive "surge."
Fri Jan 22, 2016, 07:45 PM
Jan 2016

I'm glad we are committing some troops to help the Iraqis rid their country of these vermin. Iraq's ISIS infestation is the fault of the corrupt Cheney/Bush regime. The least we can do is help them eradicate this scourge.

TwilightGardener

(46,416 posts)
34. We've committed quite a few troops there. Including special forces, we must be getting
Fri Jan 22, 2016, 09:02 PM
Jan 2016

upwards of 5000 "advisors" and "trainers". But it's so incremental, no one seems to notice. I guess that's the plan.

JonathanRackham

(1,604 posts)
31. I remember the news blurbs about Vietnam and Kennedy
Fri Jan 22, 2016, 08:48 PM
Jan 2016


ISIS is bad but we can't win. Another war of attrition brewing I fear.
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