Forum Over Oregon Standoff Canceled Over Safety Concerns

[Aerows]

http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/guns-policy-enforced-forum-oregon-standoff-36488895

A judge who planned to host a community meeting Monday over the standoff at an Oregon wildlife refuge has canceled it due to safety concerns.

Harney County Judge Steve Grasty said in a news release authorities had become aware of plans to protest the meeting and block the entrance to the county senior center, where it was to be held. Earlier Grasty had said that a no-guns policy would be strictly enforced at the meeting.

A spokeswoman for the county said Sunday afternoon she didn't have further information about the safety concerns or specifically who intended to block the senior center entrance.

An armed group led by Ammon Bundy has been occupying the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge since Jan. 2 to protest federal land use policies. Oregon lawmakers have been increasing their pressure on federal authorities to step in and end the occupation.

[CanonRay]

1. So the citizens of Harney county have to

Give up their right to peaceably assemble because of these "patriots". Well ain't that just so American.

[Aerows]

5. They are also

going around Burns intimidating people.

Anybody else doing this would be in jail. Threatening a judge? No problem for the Bundys. Follow around the spouses of people that work at the refuge? No problem for the Bundys. Pave over an archaeological site? No problem for the Bundys.

I am convinced that they are being protected. There is a major financial incentive here for people like the Koch brothers. They want all of our public lands to be sold to private interests so that they can profit.

[RKP5637]

14. Yep, more and more I'm beginning to feel this is only a very small window as to what

is going on. I often feel like I'm not living in the US anymore, at least not the US I was born into. In past years/decades I doubt any of this would have been tolerated. This entire affair is getting damn bizarre. Even the governor seems paralyzed, now basically begging for Feds to move forward. Like WTF!!!!!! There is something really going on, like maybe they fear massive civil war or something.

Take a look a this, to me at least, it seems they are in violation all over the place. Maybe that's the plan, let them go so far they are locked up for years. Then, of course, the other, will Bundy ever pay the $1M in back taxes. Crap, if I owed a few dollars they would be all over me. Pinch me, am I in some totally bizarre dream or WTF!

https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/2385

[Aerows]

27. Not to mention violating NAGPRA

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Native_American_Graves_Protection_and_Repatriation_Act

They are driving around in bulldozers in a delicate habitat and archaeological site with impunity, and nobody is lifting a finger to stop them.

They are harassing the residents of Burns, and issuing demands to the FBI.

There must be somebody colluding to protect them from prosecution and consequences.

[RKP5637]

29. If this continues and there are no repercussions, or they leave and just go home, then

sadly we will really know the fabric of the US government has just been torn even more.

[Aerows]

36. Well look at what happened in 2014.

Cliven Bundy owes the government over a million dollars. Armed militants point sniper rifles at FBI agents. Who was arrested? Nobody.

Tell me how people can go around pointing rifles at Federal Agents and not end up in jail?

[RKP5637]

43. It's really getting unnerving. If a person of color, an LGBT, a damn hippie or someone was

there, they would be all over the place like they were with OWS. These jerks get a free pass, It really grates on my nerves. I don't want to see a massacre or something, but damn, it just seems constantly stalled.

[rjsquirrel]

44. That is nonsense

If the kochs or their ilk were directly funding this and it came out they'd have hell to pay.

That's not how they roll. They just buy what they want "legally."

[Downwinder]

2. Town/County held hostage.

Could be a '50s B grade movie.

[Kaleva]

4. Oregon should call in the national guard

[Aerows]

9. Well, they can't call in the National Guard inside the Federal Property

But it would make a world of sense to have them preventing anyone from coming and going on the areas outside of the refuge. A few weeks of being stuck not getting any supplies in would likely inspire some of them to get a clue and turn themselves in.

The only problem is I could see these lunatics taking shots at National Guard personnel because they are part of "Big Government". That wouldn't end well for anyone.

[Kaleva]

12. If they start shooting at the National Guard, then it's game over for the Yeehadists

[RKP5637]

18. Where is Marshall Dillon or John Wayne in all of this! n/t

[Downwinder]

35. Around here John Wayne is the idol for LEOs.

Guess when the going gets tough, the tough get going.

Maybe we can call on Eliot Ness.

[rjsquirrel]

45. Marion you mean?

John Wayne was a draft dodging racist idiot. His name was really Marion.

[RKP5637]

47. Ah, thanks! n/t

[beevul]

3. Thats just spin.

Last edited Sun Jan 24, 2016, 10:00 PM - Edit history (1)

(posted about the original venue change, as I thought the OP was referring to that. This below, however, still applies)



Ticketed public meetings.

I never thought I'd see the day such a thing was acceptable on DU.

I'm disappointed that I was wrong.

[Aerows]

7. Did you not read the article?

I linked the whole thing up there.

It was canceled because there were threats.

The fact that it ended up being canceled because of threats should tell you right there why they wanted to keep weapons out of it.

This is a volatile situation. They have harassed the citizens of Harney County to the point where I wouldn't be surprised if it was a resident that fired the first shot at the Y'All Queda bunch.

Do you also advocate juggling lit torches near an open bucket of gasoline?

[Electric Monk]

10. Doncha just love how some of our resident gunthusiasts are siding with Vanilla ISIS, because gunz?

[beevul]

15. I love how our resident gun control enthusiasts accept public meetings which aren't so public.

I love how our resident gun control enthusiasts accept public meetings which aren't so public.

"Quick, lets change 'public meetings' to 'private meetings' requiring tickets, but we'll still call them public. lets see how many agree because gunz."

Boy, you and a few others would make them proud ElMo.

[Aerows]

19. Even better

When they are arguing points that are irrelevant now because the whole things was canceled and I copied the entire article right up in the OP which, if said individual had bothered to read the post they would know that.

They didn't even have to click on anything, just READ what they are replying to before replying to it.

[pinboy3niner]

23. Thanks for the update, Aerows

I saw the earlier news about the change of venue but I didn't know it was subsequently canceled.

[Aerows]

32. You are welcome

The fact that they can threaten a judge and citizens of Harney county pretty much demonstrates to me a perfectly good reason to limit the number of people in attendance and why they want to keep weapons out of any talks.

That's just asking for someone to fire the first shot, and it may not even be the Talibanjo - they've disrupted the citizens and harassed and intimidated them to the point where it wouldn't shock me if a resident was the one to do it.

[beevul]

25. I misunderstood which article was being referred to.

Harney County Judge Steve Grasty said in a news release authorities had become aware of plans to protest the meeting and block the entrance to the county senior center, where it was to be held.

And was this planned protest "gun centric", or was it a protest over moving a public meeting to a tiny venue where only the tiniest portion of the public could be heard?

Because I've read quite a number of comments here and there about people being unhappy about this 'public meeting' being taken to what amounts to private.

That's a legitimate complaint, except, apparently, to you.

This is a volatile situation. They have harassed the citizens of Harney County to the point where I wouldn't be surprised if it was a resident that fired the first shot at the Y'All Queda bunch.

That's your opinion, not an established empirical fact.

Do you also advocate juggling lit torches near an open bucket of gasoline?

If theres really no bucket of gasoline near, theres no reason to object.

[Aerows]

28. Well it sure is easy to misunderstand what you are replying to

if you don't read what you are replying to. You didn't even have to click on anything!

[beevul]

31. I wrongly concluded that it referred to the original change.

Oh well.

[enough]

38. What are you talking about?

I'm own and use guns, but I don't think guns can actually replace the mind.

[beevul]

40. Did I say something...

I'm own and use guns, but I don't think guns can actually replace the mind.

Did I say something which makes you think that I believe a gun can replace the mind?

If so, cite it please.

[enough]

46. It was your post, #3, the one to which I replied. (nt)

[beevul]

49. Which part of that post?

I'm not a mind reader, so if you could just cite the words you're referring to, we can discuss it.

[NightWatcher]

6. Hello, Feds? Care to end the reign of these lawless bullies?

Stop it soon or see it spread.

[malaise]

8. K & R

Time to shut this down

[RKP5637]

21. Where is this headed, it's so damn bizarre. n/t

[CanonRay]

11. Here's mt take on what's really going on

On site there is an FBI agent in charge. Probably an ASAC. Every 5 Minutes he's giving the SAC in Portland an update. In turn The SAC is calling the US Attorney in Portland and the DOJ every ten minutes. Meanwhile DOJ has sent an onsite advisor (read spy) who is calling DOJ. The US Attotney is shifting his/her pants because they have political ambitions. So nobody wants to do anything that makes a static peaceful situation not peaceful. So tuck the law and tuck justice...nothing happens.

[Odin2005]

22. "The US Attotney is shifting his/her pants because they have political ambitions."

I would not have thought of that. They probably think that if they are seen as causing "Waco 2.0" any chance of a political career in conservative parts of the West are fucked.

[RKP5637]

33. Yep, my take too. They are just hoping it will somehow magically go away. And likely none want

anything to happen on Obama's watch because of the 2016 elections and the implications if a shootout occurred. ... what could be used against the democratic nominee.

[Odin2005]

13. Right-wing terrorism.

[cwydro]

16. We'd all be raising hell if a Republican was president.

I'm deeply disappointed in Obama and Loretta Lynch.

This has become a joke.

[RKP5637]

24. They do appear weak and ineffective. I wonder how much this has to do with the 2016 elections.

If they make a spectacle of this, people killed, etc., whatever, it could be used against the democratic candidate for 2016, perhaps, depending on the outcome. Just guessing ...

[cwydro]

30. You have a point there, but I just don't see it.

I see this administration as not caring one bit about this.

And it bothers me deeply.

[RKP5637]

37. It's basically an insurrection of sorts. Often I think the US worries far too much about other

countries and not what's going on in this country. IMO this extends far beyond this situation and at least to an outsider, far too much water is flowing over the dam.

[PSPS]

17. "...to protest federal land use policies."

An armed group led by Ammon Bundy has been occupying the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge since Jan. 2 to protest federal land use policies.

Lazy journalism.

[handmade34]

20. the letter

http://res.cloudinary.com/bdy4ger4/image/upload/v1453679224/News_Release_-_Meeting_Cancellation_xx2fu2.pdf

[RKP5637]

26. Thanks for posting this!!! n/t

[handmade34]

34. this thing bothers me

like nothing has for a long time; I want this taken care of... I love our public lands, our forests and parks, I have many wonderful memories of my time hiking in our public lands, and I care... I would be there fighting against them if I were in the right proximity... the men occupying the refuge are nothing but spoiled men who have never matured enough to understand how society works and have little respect for nature and other people unlike themselves...

... and I also am dismayed when people make judgements without all the facts... hence the letter

[RKP5637]

41. I also spent many times hiking and camping on our public lands, climbing mountains and all.

It really PO's me that jerks like this want to take it away from the population of the US. And even more PO's me that it appears the government is powerless to do much, lacks the willpower. To me, this will only lead to more situations like this. I don't want to see a massacre, but it seems more could be done. Maybe there is just a lot going on behind the scenes.

[enough]

39. Getting into banana republic stuff here. (nt)

[Aerows]

42. All it will take is for one more

group similar to this one to pull the same kind of stunt, be treated the same way the Bundys are being treated, and I suspect they will spring up all over the place.

There are plenty of people that think might makes right.

[2naSalit]

48. +1!