Bundyland Security Chief Ryan Payne: It’s Legal To Kill A Cop Who’s “Unlawfully Trying to Arrest You

[99th_Monkey]

Bundyland Security Chief Ryan Payne: It’s Legal To Kill A Cop Who’s “Unlawfully Trying to Arrest You”
Missoula Independent profile offers fullest picture of Bundyland security chief
By Aaron Mesh * January 23, 2016 * Willamette Week

Want to know more about the armed seditionists holding the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge?

Look to their hometown papers.

As the anti-government standoff in Harney County, Ore. rounds into its fourth week, media outlets are looking more closely at some of the men running the takeover of federal wildlife buildings—militants who have 58

Both WW and The Oregonian have singled out a key figure running security: a 31-year-old man from Anaconda, Mont. named Ryan Payne.

The closest and best examination of Payne was reported nearly two years ago by the Missoula Independent. Reporter Ted McDermott visited Payne at his family's log cabin outside Anaconda, not long after Payne took a leading role defying the U.S. Bureau of Land Management at Cliven Bundy's ranch in Nevada.

The Independent found in Payne an Army veteran who had become disillusioned and saw his former superiors in the U.S. military as an "oppressor" across the globe. He became further radicalized when his Southern California dune buggy company was put out of business by the costs of emissions tests—an example, he felt, of government regulators trying to control citizens.

http://www.wweek.com/2016/01/23/montana-militant-ryan-payne-its-legal-to-kill-a-cop-whos-unlawfully-trying-to-arrest-you/

[PatrickforO]

1. So...is that ONLY if you're a white right wing extremist?

Just wondering...

[strategery blunder]

2. Hell it's not even legal to kill a cop who's unlawfully trying to MURDER you.

Let alone an unlawful arrest that can be disputed in court later.

(In my state, and I imagine this pretty much applies everywhere, you're only allowed to use nonlethal force in the worst-case scenario of an on-duty cop attempting to first-degree murder you...and that's if you can prove in court that it was necessary against the cop's "I feared for my life" perjury...so it's best to just roll over and play dead, hoping you somehow survive and that someone else is recording it.)

And I've come across some of those foreign admiralty court conspiracy theorists before. Their musings can be quite a hoot but they should not be encouraged lol.

[CommonSenseDemocrat]

3. That's not true legally

You cannot resist arrest but you can defend yourself against assault or deadly violence, even if the person is a peace officer.

[strategery blunder]

5. I had to go look this up

As it turns out, my state amended the controlling statute on the matter in 2013, rendering my post above out of date (it would have been accurate as of 2010, when I had last visited the subject). The blanket and ironclad prohibition against deadly force that used to be there seems to have disappeared though actual great bodily harm or death must be imminent (in the case of self-defense against LEO, reasonable fear thereof is not enough).

[KT2000]

4. He is planning meetings in Oregon

to educate the population about the Constitution.

[kristopher]

6. Call them what they are - Anarchists. nt

[Javaman]

7. this really isn't going to end well...

I thought at first these half wits would fade away into irrelevancy.

and I think they believe that as well, thus their new hair-brained justification to start a fight they can't win.

[Initech]

8. There is seriously something wrong with these people.

[Bluenorthwest]

9. That's very obvious and has been all along. From the article at WW:

"More specifically, he came to believe that slavery never really existed in the United States and that African Americans in the antebellum South “didn’t view themselves as slaves.” He came to believe in “an effort by some Jews to control the world.” He came to believe the founders of the United States intended for the states to act as sovereign countries. He came to believe taxes are a form of “legal plunder.” He came to believe names are spelled in all-caps on driver’s licenses because U.S. citizens are actually “corporate entities.”