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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsThere Is NO Global Warming. Blizzard Shows We Have Global COOLING.
The new GOP meme.
Warpy
(111,270 posts)like Block Island, Nantucket, and Martha's Vineyard. Elsewhere, it was just a big January snowstorm.
This used to be normal, people. The mild winters are the weird ones.
NutmegYankee
(16,199 posts)The storms are getting more intense more often because of higher moisture content.
Binkie The Clown
(7,911 posts)ProfessorGAC
(65,061 posts)The experts said when that warm bubble intruded onto the pole, the cooler air got pushed farther south.
That's why in a mild, el nińo winter, we got blasted with 0 degree days for about a week. I heard a couple different climate scientists describe it that way.
Makes sense.
ronnie624
(5,764 posts)More heat in the atmosphere means more kinetic energy, which translates into more powerful weather systems, including snowstorms. There is no inconsistency here.
brush
(53,785 posts)Those still using "global warming" are most often climate change deniers who toss it out sarcastically during a high-profile cold snap while making no mention of above freezing temperatures in artic regions and the resultant glacier melts and ocean water level rises.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)than the one most commonly being used - "global warming." As the GOP realized it had almost reached the end of the road for absolute denial (!), Frank Luntz, master spinner, helped them decide on a...happier term: "Climate change," which had also been around for a while but little used outside science circles, which used them both.
Climate's a nice word. We move to better climates, enjoy the climate, even spend vast sums to vacation in warmer climates. Warm is nice.
Given the entrenchment of the scary "global warming," the right, including the Kochs' network, had to spend a LOT of money and time to replace it in the public mind, but as we see, they did just that.
This is why I prefer to use the term "global warming." To spit back at them, and because, IMO, scary is good because scary is real. Global warming is not "nice."
Link to article discussing Bush-era memo about deceiving the public: http://www.theguardian.com/environment/2003/mar/04/usnews.climatechange
TheMastersNemesis
(10,602 posts)I agree with you. Warming is about climate change to eventually a warm planet that could be "no ice" and temps that are not livable for most life. The climate could flip to too warm. A warm north pole this time of year should be alarming.
Climate change almost sounds innocuous and the denier bastards can claim that the "climate has changed throughout history and is a natural phenomenon." You are exactly right.
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)so they finally decided to adopt a scientific term since it was less scary?
I remember hearing the phrase cambio climatico (Climate Change) in Mexico City for years starting in the late 1990s
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)have climate deniers busy at work there too?
President Johnson used the term climate change in his special message to Congress almost 51 years ago now, but that in no way invalidates ANYTHING I said. Both terms were out there, and climate-action opponents have spent many millions of dollars burying one in favor of the other -- for their evil purposes.
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)the New Zealand, Australian or UK governments. And things like Heartland have been fighting the UN for decades as well.
ronnie624
(5,764 posts)and have two different definitions. Climate change is the result of global warming.
https://www.skepticalscience.com/climate-change-global-warming.htm
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Hortensis
(58,785 posts)scientific community. Of course they're propaganda when used by propagandists.
ronnie624
(5,764 posts)I refuse to allow ideological considerations to interfere with my understanding of science.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)the use of these terms politically influences people is far more relevant. I understand how you feel, though. I'm also big on precision language.
ronnie624
(5,764 posts)to filter lessons in science through ideology. IMO, a good working knowledge of the basic principles of math and science, provides the tools for critical thinking and making rational political decisions. I firmly believe it's the key to preserving democracy. But understanding scientific concepts requires accuracy.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)largely consider their position on climate change/global warming to be a matter of which TEAM they belong to. Depending on their team, they choose to "believe" that the earth is warming or choose to "believe" it is not. You can't force what you consider "rational" thought on them; they have their notions of what rationality is, and more importantly what morality and duty are.
ronnie624
(5,764 posts)It is a process that requires weighing evidence and using solid logic, which is not possible without accurate information.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)ananda
(28,866 posts)..
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)have not spent even 15 minutes educating themselves on this issue. That global warming is destablizing climate, resulting in more extreme weather events and erratic weather patterns, is very basic stuff after all.
I hear a lot of this stuff in the South. Blocking anything Democrats want to do, refusing to "believe in" climate change, evils of government, etc., are all tied up with religion in a whole lot of minds.
B Calm
(28,762 posts)Javaman
(62,530 posts)we can't fix stupid.
TheMastersNemesis
(10,602 posts)And it is working here. They are engaged in the same propaganda tactics that Goebbels used in the 1930's. The argument like so many other arguments is phony and they are lying. Even Bush rephrased what Goebbels said when he was president. And it so obvious now.
The argument about global warming is brought up repeatedly and endlessly by every GOPPER out in public. And the media does NOT challenge what they are saying and in fact carries that meme among other forward all over the country. They repeat it ad nauseam. And it works. Take any issue the GOP talks about and it is the same thing. Lie huge and repeat, repeat, repeat, repeat,---
And people have been trained to respond to only simple slogans over the last 30 years. And it works because the counter response takes too long for their brain.
The GOP is using the same propaganda methods the Nazi party used to gain power. Sadly these techniques are very effective and even more so with a cooperative media.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)was hidden behind that term, from love thy children and be a good parent to the most vicious extremes of bigotry and institutionalized murder.
NightWatcher
(39,343 posts)ChisolmTrailDem
(9,463 posts)...holds more moisture, thus more snow. Also, this was so much worse because it was being fed by warm waters off the Atlantic coast. Warmer water evaporates and feeds moisture to the storm.
RadiationTherapy
(5,818 posts)More water for rain and snow as well as growing ice at the poles are symptoms of warming and not evidence against.
yuiyoshida
(41,831 posts)They get their Science from a book that says the earth is 6,000 Years old...what do any of us expect from the ignorant.
Remember?
"The Tide comes in, the tides go out, who can explain it??" ~Bill O'Reilly
arcane1
(38,613 posts)Funny how that works
underpants
(182,826 posts)gollygee
(22,336 posts)Very cold winters, where it's way below freezing, actually produce less snow.
This has been a pretty mild winter, temperature wise.
Blue_In_AK
(46,436 posts)with hardly any snow. I believe I heard last night that Anchorage is a couple feet below normal for this time of year.
There is more to the "globe" than the East Coast. Someone needs to inform the R's.
Mendocino
(7,495 posts)what is the driest continent? 99.5% will be unable to provide the correct answer without looking it up.