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There Is NO Global Warming. Blizzard Shows We Have Global COOLING. (Original Post) TheMastersNemesis Jan 2016 OP
Blizzard conditions existed relatively few places Warpy Jan 2016 #1
Actually, the Northeast has set many of it's records for snowfall in the last decade. NutmegYankee Jan 2016 #6
And meanwhile it's above freezing at the north pole in the dead of winter. Binkie The Clown Jan 2016 #2
They Say That's Why We Got Blasted in The Midwest and Canada ProfessorGAC Jan 2016 #11
More powerful winter storms are consistent with models that predict the results of global warming.. ronnie624 Jan 2016 #3
Yes. The term "global warming" has been superseded by the more accurate one, "climate change". brush Jan 2016 #4
Actually, the GOP needed a less-alarming term Hortensis Jan 2016 #8
Global Warming Is The More Accurate. Even More Accurate Is "Climate Flipping". TheMastersNemesis Jan 2016 #10
Hmm climate change has been used by the UN for close to two decades nadinbrzezinski Jan 2016 #19
Is it your premise that the U.N. did not Hortensis Jan 2016 #20
The UN is far less infected than either the United States Government nadinbrzezinski Jan 2016 #21
The terms are scientific, not political, ronnie624 Jan 2016 #12
This message was self-deleted by its author brush Jan 2016 #16
Of course they're scientific -- within the Hortensis Jan 2016 #22
Accuracy and a clear understanding require the use of proper terminology. ronnie624 Jan 2016 #24
Yes, but this is a political forum and how Hortensis Jan 2016 #28
I don't think it's wise ronnie624 Jan 2016 #30
Ronnie, really? We're talking about people who Hortensis Jan 2016 #31
Thinking rationally is not simply a matter of perspective. ronnie624 Jan 2016 #34
Thank you for the explanation. Hortensis Jan 2016 #35
Warming and climate chaos are NOT mutually exclusive! ananda Jan 2016 #5
The notion that they are reveal those people Hortensis Jan 2016 #9
A couple weeks ago New Yorkers were jogging in summer shorts. B Calm Jan 2016 #7
don't they retread this tired argument every winter? Javaman Jan 2016 #13
The GOP Is Good At Doing The Same Thing The Nazis Did In Germany. TheMastersNemesis Jan 2016 #14
Remember "family values"? Every sort of message Hortensis Jan 2016 #23
We have Climate Change. There is a difference between Weather and Climate NightWatcher Jan 2016 #15
Wasn't this predicted as a symptom of warming? Warmer atmosphere... ChisolmTrailDem Jan 2016 #17
This was my understanding as well. RadiationTherapy Jan 2016 #18
GOP AND SCIENCE does not mix... yuiyoshida Jan 2016 #25
And they said nothing when it was 72 degrees on Christmas Day. arcane1 Jan 2016 #26
Or January hurricanes and tornados in Miami-Dade County underpants Jan 2016 #27
You get more snow in warmer winters gollygee Jan 2016 #29
Alaska is having its second very warm winter in a row Blue_In_AK Jan 2016 #32
Ask a typical republican Mendocino Jan 2016 #33

Warpy

(111,270 posts)
1. Blizzard conditions existed relatively few places
Mon Jan 25, 2016, 03:31 AM
Jan 2016

like Block Island, Nantucket, and Martha's Vineyard. Elsewhere, it was just a big January snowstorm.

This used to be normal, people. The mild winters are the weird ones.

NutmegYankee

(16,199 posts)
6. Actually, the Northeast has set many of it's records for snowfall in the last decade.
Mon Jan 25, 2016, 06:30 AM
Jan 2016

The storms are getting more intense more often because of higher moisture content.

ProfessorGAC

(65,061 posts)
11. They Say That's Why We Got Blasted in The Midwest and Canada
Mon Jan 25, 2016, 10:04 AM
Jan 2016

The experts said when that warm bubble intruded onto the pole, the cooler air got pushed farther south.

That's why in a mild, el nińo winter, we got blasted with 0 degree days for about a week. I heard a couple different climate scientists describe it that way.

Makes sense.

ronnie624

(5,764 posts)
3. More powerful winter storms are consistent with models that predict the results of global warming..
Mon Jan 25, 2016, 05:00 AM
Jan 2016
More heat in the atmosphere means more kinetic energy, which translates into more powerful weather systems, including snowstorms. There is no inconsistency here.

brush

(53,785 posts)
4. Yes. The term "global warming" has been superseded by the more accurate one, "climate change".
Mon Jan 25, 2016, 05:26 AM
Jan 2016

Those still using "global warming" are most often climate change deniers who toss it out sarcastically during a high-profile cold snap while making no mention of above freezing temperatures in artic regions and the resultant glacier melts and ocean water level rises.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
8. Actually, the GOP needed a less-alarming term
Mon Jan 25, 2016, 07:47 AM
Jan 2016

than the one most commonly being used - "global warming." As the GOP realized it had almost reached the end of the road for absolute denial (!), Frank Luntz, master spinner, helped them decide on a...happier term: "Climate change," which had also been around for a while but little used outside science circles, which used them both.

Climate's a nice word. We move to better climates, enjoy the climate, even spend vast sums to vacation in warmer climates. Warm is nice.

Given the entrenchment of the scary "global warming," the right, including the Kochs' network, had to spend a LOT of money and time to replace it in the public mind, but as we see, they did just that.

This is why I prefer to use the term "global warming." To spit back at them, and because, IMO, scary is good because scary is real. Global warming is not "nice."

Link to article discussing Bush-era memo about deceiving the public: http://www.theguardian.com/environment/2003/mar/04/usnews.climatechange

 

TheMastersNemesis

(10,602 posts)
10. Global Warming Is The More Accurate. Even More Accurate Is "Climate Flipping".
Mon Jan 25, 2016, 10:01 AM
Jan 2016

I agree with you. Warming is about climate change to eventually a warm planet that could be "no ice" and temps that are not livable for most life. The climate could flip to too warm. A warm north pole this time of year should be alarming.

Climate change almost sounds innocuous and the denier bastards can claim that the "climate has changed throughout history and is a natural phenomenon." You are exactly right.

 

nadinbrzezinski

(154,021 posts)
19. Hmm climate change has been used by the UN for close to two decades
Mon Jan 25, 2016, 03:22 PM
Jan 2016

so they finally decided to adopt a scientific term since it was less scary?

I remember hearing the phrase cambio climatico (Climate Change) in Mexico City for years starting in the late 1990s

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
20. Is it your premise that the U.N. did not
Mon Jan 25, 2016, 06:42 PM
Jan 2016

have climate deniers busy at work there too?

President Johnson used the term climate change in his special message to Congress almost 51 years ago now, but that in no way invalidates ANYTHING I said. Both terms were out there, and climate-action opponents have spent many millions of dollars burying one in favor of the other -- for their evil purposes.

 

nadinbrzezinski

(154,021 posts)
21. The UN is far less infected than either the United States Government
Mon Jan 25, 2016, 06:45 PM
Jan 2016

the New Zealand, Australian or UK governments. And things like Heartland have been fighting the UN for decades as well.

Response to ronnie624 (Reply #12)

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
22. Of course they're scientific -- within the
Mon Jan 25, 2016, 06:48 PM
Jan 2016

scientific community. Of course they're propaganda when used by propagandists.

ronnie624

(5,764 posts)
24. Accuracy and a clear understanding require the use of proper terminology.
Mon Jan 25, 2016, 08:04 PM
Jan 2016

I refuse to allow ideological considerations to interfere with my understanding of science.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
28. Yes, but this is a political forum and how
Tue Jan 26, 2016, 11:21 AM
Jan 2016

the use of these terms politically influences people is far more relevant. I understand how you feel, though. I'm also big on precision language.

ronnie624

(5,764 posts)
30. I don't think it's wise
Tue Jan 26, 2016, 12:00 PM
Jan 2016

to filter lessons in science through ideology. IMO, a good working knowledge of the basic principles of math and science, provides the tools for critical thinking and making rational political decisions. I firmly believe it's the key to preserving democracy. But understanding scientific concepts requires accuracy.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
31. Ronnie, really? We're talking about people who
Tue Jan 26, 2016, 07:23 PM
Jan 2016

largely consider their position on climate change/global warming to be a matter of which TEAM they belong to. Depending on their team, they choose to "believe" that the earth is warming or choose to "believe" it is not. You can't force what you consider "rational" thought on them; they have their notions of what rationality is, and more importantly what morality and duty are.

ronnie624

(5,764 posts)
34. Thinking rationally is not simply a matter of perspective.
Tue Jan 26, 2016, 08:30 PM
Jan 2016

It is a process that requires weighing evidence and using solid logic, which is not possible without accurate information.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
9. The notion that they are reveal those people
Mon Jan 25, 2016, 07:56 AM
Jan 2016

have not spent even 15 minutes educating themselves on this issue. That global warming is destablizing climate, resulting in more extreme weather events and erratic weather patterns, is very basic stuff after all.

I hear a lot of this stuff in the South. Blocking anything Democrats want to do, refusing to "believe in" climate change, evils of government, etc., are all tied up with religion in a whole lot of minds.

 

TheMastersNemesis

(10,602 posts)
14. The GOP Is Good At Doing The Same Thing The Nazis Did In Germany.
Mon Jan 25, 2016, 02:53 PM
Jan 2016

And it is working here. They are engaged in the same propaganda tactics that Goebbels used in the 1930's. The argument like so many other arguments is phony and they are lying. Even Bush rephrased what Goebbels said when he was president. And it so obvious now.

The argument about global warming is brought up repeatedly and endlessly by every GOPPER out in public. And the media does NOT challenge what they are saying and in fact carries that meme among other forward all over the country. They repeat it ad nauseam. And it works. Take any issue the GOP talks about and it is the same thing. Lie huge and repeat, repeat, repeat, repeat,---

And people have been trained to respond to only simple slogans over the last 30 years. And it works because the counter response takes too long for their brain.

The GOP is using the same propaganda methods the Nazi party used to gain power. Sadly these techniques are very effective and even more so with a cooperative media.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
23. Remember "family values"? Every sort of message
Mon Jan 25, 2016, 06:52 PM
Jan 2016

was hidden behind that term, from love thy children and be a good parent to the most vicious extremes of bigotry and institutionalized murder.

 

ChisolmTrailDem

(9,463 posts)
17. Wasn't this predicted as a symptom of warming? Warmer atmosphere...
Mon Jan 25, 2016, 03:14 PM
Jan 2016

...holds more moisture, thus more snow. Also, this was so much worse because it was being fed by warm waters off the Atlantic coast. Warmer water evaporates and feeds moisture to the storm.

RadiationTherapy

(5,818 posts)
18. This was my understanding as well.
Mon Jan 25, 2016, 03:16 PM
Jan 2016

More water for rain and snow as well as growing ice at the poles are symptoms of warming and not evidence against.

yuiyoshida

(41,831 posts)
25. GOP AND SCIENCE does not mix...
Mon Jan 25, 2016, 08:27 PM
Jan 2016

They get their Science from a book that says the earth is 6,000 Years old...what do any of us expect from the ignorant.

Remember?

"The Tide comes in, the tides go out, who can explain it??" ~Bill O'Reilly

gollygee

(22,336 posts)
29. You get more snow in warmer winters
Tue Jan 26, 2016, 11:33 AM
Jan 2016

Very cold winters, where it's way below freezing, actually produce less snow.

This has been a pretty mild winter, temperature wise.

Blue_In_AK

(46,436 posts)
32. Alaska is having its second very warm winter in a row
Tue Jan 26, 2016, 07:36 PM
Jan 2016

with hardly any snow. I believe I heard last night that Anchorage is a couple feet below normal for this time of year.

There is more to the "globe" than the East Coast. Someone needs to inform the R's.

Mendocino

(7,495 posts)
33. Ask a typical republican
Tue Jan 26, 2016, 07:38 PM
Jan 2016

what is the driest continent? 99.5% will be unable to provide the correct answer without looking it up.

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