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kpete

(71,996 posts)
Mon Jan 25, 2016, 09:26 AM Jan 2016

PANTS ON FIRE: Sarah Palin’s Abusive Kid Never Saw A Day Of Combat! (DOCUMENT)

Hold on, Mama Grizzly. People have been questioning Track’s service record ever since he returned from the military. A rumor that dogs him is the courts gave him the choice of the military or jail, after he allegedly cut the brakes on a school bus. Given the choice, he enlisted in 2007.

Track deployed with the Army’s Alaska-based 25th Infantry Division’s 1st Stryker Brigade Combat Team, fittingly known as the “Arctic Wolves.”

Jason Kirell is one of the soldiers who served with Track. Here is how he responded to a question about whether or not he saw combat:



Kirell Served With Palin.

Yes, the military awarded Track a combat service medal for his Iraq tour, but a form is circulating on Twitter brings the merit of that medal into question:




http://bipartisanreport.com/2016/01/24/pants-on-fire-sarah-palins-abusive-kid-never-saw-a-day-of-combat-document/

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PANTS ON FIRE: Sarah Palin’s Abusive Kid Never Saw A Day Of Combat! (DOCUMENT) (Original Post) kpete Jan 2016 OP
K&R smirkymonkey Jan 2016 #1
Abusers often have enablers and those who mask their actions. nt TheBlackAdder Jan 2016 #2
up here it was said he was moved to Kuwait to guard generals way the hell back roguevalley Jan 2016 #44
Republican men are bad at war but great at beating women. GOLGO 13 Jan 2016 #3
Yes, total cowards in every way. smirkymonkey Jan 2016 #13
"combat service medal" Laf.La.Dem. Jan 2016 #4
Ok no combat, but why did Obama make Track "cut the brakes on a school bus in 2007"? GreatGazoo Jan 2016 #5
That is the big question here ! lunasun Jan 2016 #9
Cut the brakes on a SCHOOL BUS!!! kracer20 Jan 2016 #11
make that FOURTY-FOUR school busses GreatGazoo Jan 2016 #37
Sarah Palin: Why Does Obama Keep Getting Bristol Pregnant? Ichingcarpenter Jan 2016 #22
the real Track mercuryblues Jan 2016 #6
One day, sadly, he'll kill someone CanonRay Jan 2016 #10
I believe at one point they were doing two year enlistments Victor_c3 Jan 2016 #14
He wasn't discharged; he was released from active duty. Big difference sarge43 Jan 2016 #17
Makes you wonder if he wasn't a FAS (fetal alcohol syndrome) baby. MADem Jan 2016 #18
I'm going to play devils advocate here. linuxman Jan 2016 #7
No reflection on you, but I've heard several Iraq veterans who never ventured off base squawk tabasco Jan 2016 #21
Yeah, many non grunts consider any time they leave the wire to be a patrol. linuxman Jan 2016 #34
As an infantryman, you would not have received a "combat action ribbon" (per your previous post) tabasco Jan 2016 #36
The Combat Action Ribbon is a Marine Corps award for combat service, similar to Army CIB. nt pinboy3niner Jan 2016 #39
My mistake - I was thinking Army because of Palin tabasco Jan 2016 #40
The CIB? I was given the CIB. pinboy3niner Jan 2016 #42
So was I. tabasco Jan 2016 #45
I don't get it either. linuxman Jan 2016 #41
I was a Marine. We have the CAR, not the CIB linuxman Jan 2016 #43
I think he saw more battle at family barbecues than in Iraq. George II Jan 2016 #8
*snort* smirkymonkey Jan 2016 #15
To be fair, the military is horrible at keeping track of awards. EL34x4 Jan 2016 #12
What s/he said. sarge43 Jan 2016 #20
Yep. I'm no fan of the Palins and I don't know what awards EL34x4 Jan 2016 #24
Well, as a personnal puke, I'll say the following in our defense sarge43 Jan 2016 #38
+1 kristopher Jan 2016 #33
I always understood he was in the rear with the gear. I think he drove visiting digs around. nt MADem Jan 2016 #16
In a future book about the intellectual downfall of the United States..... marmar Jan 2016 #19
It'll be a coloring book. eggplant Jan 2016 #26
With only one color ghostsinthemachine Jan 2016 #29
palin continues to fing lie lie lie MariaThinks Jan 2016 #23
It's Obama's fault Orrex Jan 2016 #25
Not refuting the basic claim, but... NeoGreen Jan 2016 #27
She just opens her mouth and words fall out liberal N proud Jan 2016 #28
If she was a candidate during his time of service, oldandhappy Jan 2016 #30
My neighbor's son finished a tour in Kuwait and he is considered by the Army as a combat vet. B Calm Jan 2016 #31
One thing being assigned to an active combat zone MrScorpio Jan 2016 #32
Where is the help for poor Bristols PTSD? janlyn Jan 2016 #35
BAM! yuiyoshida Jan 2016 #46

roguevalley

(40,656 posts)
44. up here it was said he was moved to Kuwait to guard generals way the hell back
Mon Jan 25, 2016, 05:28 PM
Jan 2016

from the front. He is what is known in the army as a 'read echelon mother fucker'. If he had PTSD he got it from his mom.

kracer20

(199 posts)
11. Cut the brakes on a SCHOOL BUS!!!
Mon Jan 25, 2016, 10:46 AM
Jan 2016

Shouldn't that be some type of felony with some time served? How did I ever miss that one? Unbelievable, but not surprised. I'll have to do a little Google search for that tidbit.

GreatGazoo

(3,937 posts)
37. make that FOURTY-FOUR school busses
Mon Jan 25, 2016, 01:42 PM
Jan 2016
MAT-SU - Alaska State Troopers arrested four teenage boys at their Mat-Su homes Monday after they were charged in last week's vandalism of 44 Mat-Su school buses - an incident that forced the Mat-Su Borough School District to close schools for a day on Nov. 29.
...
Deryck Harris, 18, and the other three boys - ages 16, 17 and 17 - were each charged with third-degree criminal mischief, first-degree criminal trespass and conspiracy to commit criminal mischief, troopers said. The 16-year-old was also charged with fourth-degree theft and furnishing alcohol to a minor, for allegedly stealing a bottle of vodka from the liquor store at Tesoro 2-Go in Wasilla.

They stopped at a liquor store where he went in and stole a bottle of vodka and provided it to the others in the group,” Wilkinson said. Three of the four boys consumed alcohol.
...
The boys are suspected of deflating tires in 44 First Student buses, breaking mirrors and unplugging 110 buses from their engine-block heaters, which caused the buses not to start in subzero weather on Nov. 29.”


http://www.frontiersman.com/news/bus-vandals-charged/article_303caf9a-4287-5c7a-93b4-a9780e84a2c2.html

Obama is soooo bad for making them do all that (in 2005)!11!!1

Ichingcarpenter

(36,988 posts)
22. Sarah Palin: Why Does Obama Keep Getting Bristol Pregnant?
Mon Jan 25, 2016, 11:43 AM
Jan 2016

While many veterans groups condemned Palin’s PTSD comments, still others called her out for what they believed was an obvious deflection away from her son and onto the president. In Iowa on Friday, Palin didn’t back down, but rather doubled-down, on her accusations against the president. “Let me ask you all this,” Palin shouted into the microphone, “why does Obama keep getting Bristol pregnant?” The crowd stopped cheering momentarily and looked at each other with puzzled looks in their eyes. Palin attempted to explain.

“The man is trained by George Soros and Saul Alinsky’s Force Ghost to destroy not only the American country, but the Palin clan too,” Palin said, “and I’m sick to death of it. It’s one thing for him to inject my son with his liberal PTSD, but knocking up my daughter not once, but twice, is just plain rude, even for a Democrat. This Mama Grizzly is gonna get her stompin’ boots on and go raise some Hell on that mom jeans wearing Democratical president we have up there, you betcha!”

Ms. Palin told the crowd she’s “always had an inkling” that it was Obama who secretly impregnated Bristol during the 2008 presidential campaign but she never wanted to accuse him of it since her daughter was a minor and she didn’t have any of what “lamestream liberals call proof.” Palin said she was “just certain” Obama and his team had somehow managed to impregnate Bristol in order to bring shame to Palin and discredit her and hurt Senator John McCain’s chances in the general election.

“But the gotcha press and the hoo-ha-mimbly-bimbly liberal media kept telling me how stupid I was because the baby doesn’t look anything like Obama, it’s physically impossible because we have easily verified records as to his whereabouts that whole year, and something about how I sound nuttier than a fruitcake,” Palin rolled her eyes and made the universal hand gesture for masturbating a penis. “Whatever, media. We all know what your Dear Leader is capable of. First he forces my son to beat on his girlfriend with his Sharia mind control beams, and then he goes and knocks-up my daughter again.”


Satire

http://nationalreport.net/sarah-palin-why-does-obama-keep-getting-bristol-pregnant/

mercuryblues

(14,532 posts)
6. the real Track
Mon Jan 25, 2016, 10:14 AM
Jan 2016

In 2005 he was one of 4 kids implicated in stealing some liquor, breaking mirrors, flattening tires on 44 school buses and pulling the heater plugs from 110 buses. Track Record went to live in Michigan with a host family to play hockey in 2006. When he moved back home in 2007 he enlisted in the Army.

He was well known for having a temper since 2008 (note this was stated pre-Iraq)

The temper w
as a longstanding problem. Hockey is a raw sport, but Mr. Palin pushed the limits and often got kicked out of games in Wasilla and at least once in Michigan... on the ice, he was an animal...

“Track has a temper so sometimes you’d only see him half the game,” [longtime family friend Curt] Menard said. “Get there late and he’d already be out.”

http://gawker.com/5048904/palin-boys-rage-and-unraveled-dreams


In 2008 Track Record serves 1 year in Iraq and according to his military discharge papers never saw combat. In 2016 Sarah Palin says this in a speech attempting to blame her son's domestic violence charge to PTSD:

"I can talk personally about this, I guess it's kinda the elephant in the room, because my own family, going through what we're going through today, with my son, a combat veteran having served in the Stryker brigade, fighting for you all, America, in the war zone."

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10027548684

Track Record was of course involved in the drunken family brawl in 2014. Where he even threatened to beat up his father.

Track Record has a history, from before he went to Iraq as being violent. So no. If she really believed he had PTSD, why would she allow him access to guns? Her son gets violent, even more so when he is drunk. Dating back to 2005, as a teenager.

He did not return from Iraq a violent man. He was sent to Iraq because of his violent, criminal actions. I want to know why he was able to get discharged after only 2 years?

Victor_c3

(3,557 posts)
14. I believe at one point they were doing two year enlistments
Mon Jan 25, 2016, 10:58 AM
Jan 2016

The army needed bodies and that was thrown out there. I'm not sure if they still do that though...

However, if he was such a patriot then why did he only do two years??

sarge43

(28,941 posts)
17. He wasn't discharged; he was released from active duty. Big difference
Mon Jan 25, 2016, 11:09 AM
Jan 2016

He fulfilled his 2 year active duty commitment, item 28, DD 214. He would still have X amount of time left in the inactive reserve.

That he got an honorable means he didn't fuck up too badly; he didn't get caught fucking up or the Army didn't want to listen to Mama Griz screaming at it and ignored the fuckup.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
18. Makes you wonder if he wasn't a FAS (fetal alcohol syndrome) baby.
Mon Jan 25, 2016, 11:09 AM
Jan 2016

They sometimes have issues with emotional lability.

 

linuxman

(2,337 posts)
7. I'm going to play devils advocate here.
Mon Jan 25, 2016, 10:35 AM
Jan 2016

I served in Iraq twice, being shot at countless times, and being on patrol when our vehicles were hit with ieds. Never got a combat action ribbon. Go figure. Alternatively, there are folks out there who washed laundry on the airbase and received combat decorations when a mortar hit the far side (2 miles away) of the perimeter. That said, Sarah Palin is wrong, and her attempt to excuse her son by suggesting PTSD makes men violent is reprehensible.

 

tabasco

(22,974 posts)
21. No reflection on you, but I've heard several Iraq veterans who never ventured off base squawk
Mon Jan 25, 2016, 11:39 AM
Jan 2016

about "patrolling" and other thrilling adventures.

Do you have any proof of laundry workers getting a CAR for mortars hitting miles away?

 

linuxman

(2,337 posts)
34. Yeah, many non grunts consider any time they leave the wire to be a patrol.
Mon Jan 25, 2016, 12:51 PM
Jan 2016

I was a no-shit infantryman, though. My day in and day out reality was combat patrols on foot or mounted, 3-4 times a day at times. It was literally all we did. I know the type you are talking about though. We escorted a cook to another fob once and he was telling everyone from the kitchen about his exploits for weeks. Good guy, but maybe a little overzealous in his recounting of his half hour adventure.

Like documented proof? No, I haven't combed throughh DOD awards databses, but it is commonly seen throughout the military, especially during the early days of the war, up until 05 or so. You aren't going to find an award that states it that way, as it would never get approved, but those that were there can tell you about it. People take some pretty creative liberties with their citation writeups, as otherwise they would be laughed off. I saw support officers within my own unit who only left the wire when coming from and going to the plane home receive combat awards for that type of thing. It happens often enough that nobody even really cares anymore.

 

tabasco

(22,974 posts)
36. As an infantryman, you would not have received a "combat action ribbon" (per your previous post)
Mon Jan 25, 2016, 01:28 PM
Jan 2016

You would have received a Combat Infantryman's Badge if you were in combat.

I was an infantry officer and I received a CIB. I find it amazing that you were an infantryman, performing combat patrols, got shot at, and did not get awarded a CIB.

Weird.

pinboy3niner

(53,339 posts)
42. The CIB? I was given the CIB.
Mon Jan 25, 2016, 02:03 PM
Jan 2016

The official Army orders awarding it in-country are proof of that. It is only such orders that entitle a soldier to wear the CIB.

 

linuxman

(2,337 posts)
41. I don't get it either.
Mon Jan 25, 2016, 02:03 PM
Jan 2016

I was never one to chase down awards, but it has bothered me a bit. It seemed to be our platoon in which there was the problem. Other platoons that had identical experiences received them, but there were several Marines from ours that did not, though we all particulated in the same actons for which they were given. I guess it comes down to who your staff ncos were and whether or not they got the ball rolling for you. Then again, mate it was an administrative drop of the ball. My snco now deceased, so I guess that complicates things. I have considered perusing my car for the purposes of some benefits associated with it, but doing so makes me feel like a ribbon chaser, even though I've been out for years. I don't even know if I would have recourse to do so at this point.

 

EL34x4

(2,003 posts)
12. To be fair, the military is horrible at keeping track of awards.
Mon Jan 25, 2016, 10:51 AM
Jan 2016

I have numerous medals, ribbons, qualifications, etc. that I am authorized to wear, that I have the award citations and that appear on my evaluations that are nowhere to be found on my official personnel records. Getting this stuff corrected is a huge headache.

sarge43

(28,941 posts)
20. What s/he said.
Mon Jan 25, 2016, 11:14 AM
Jan 2016

I have an order in my file awarding me a ribbon, Outstanding Unit. I once checked the reg covering that bling. The unit wasn't listed.

 

EL34x4

(2,003 posts)
24. Yep. I'm no fan of the Palins and I don't know what awards
Mon Jan 25, 2016, 11:51 AM
Jan 2016

Track Palin did or didn't earn. But I will take issue with any accusation that an award wasn't earned if it's not on someone's DD214.

I'm an Ordnanceman by rate and I often joke that if I kept track of munitions with the same attention to detail that personnel kept track of my records, I'd be serving time in Leavenworth.


And this isn't about Track Palin. This is about any veteran out there who has gone through the hassle of trying to get records corrected. If the military overpays you, they'll yank it back the next month but when they don't bother recording citations you've earned, the process to fix this can take years.

sarge43

(28,941 posts)
38. Well, as a personnal puke, I'll say the following in our defense
Mon Jan 25, 2016, 01:49 PM
Jan 2016

1. I never ran a section that wasn't seriously under manned. More times than I care to remember now I put in a lot of overtime and took work home. We had to run as fast as we could just to keep up.

2. Re the medals, given that they could and did jack up promotion points, if any supervisor gave a rodent's backside about the troops, s/he wrote medal recommendations, even when not entirely justified by duty performance (she holds up hand). War story I heard from a puke who worked the paper pump at Tan Son Nhut during the Vietnam War. He said he had so many recoms that there was no way he could process them all - coming in faster than he move them. They had to be as carefully vetted as a report card or 214. I suspect that's how my husband got screwed out of his Commendations (two tours in VN as an ammo man. He should have had at least one for having all his body parts and most of his sanity).

3. One of my many action packed, fun filled duties was vetting and certifying 214s. Several hundred AF vets have my signature on their 214s. Record jacket in one hand, 214 in the other while checking each item. In my spare time supervising a Reenlist/Discharge Unit. More than once, several times as a matter of fact, after I'd ask departing troop to check the 214 for correctness, s/he would glance at it "It's ok." and after signing it, waltz out. Had a couple "Fuck this shit. Where do I sign?" A fellow record section puke told he'd seen more than one "fuck this shit" drop his jacket containing among other things his 214 into the File 13 on his way out the door. Not passing the blame, just owning up to my share.

Merely a REMF POV.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
16. I always understood he was in the rear with the gear. I think he drove visiting digs around. nt
Mon Jan 25, 2016, 11:07 AM
Jan 2016

marmar

(77,081 posts)
19. In a future book about the intellectual downfall of the United States.....
Mon Jan 25, 2016, 11:10 AM
Jan 2016

...... the Palins will have their own chapter.

Orrex

(63,215 posts)
25. It's Obama's fault
Mon Jan 25, 2016, 11:57 AM
Jan 2016

Trickster would happily have served in active duty if that lousy commie Muslim in the Whitehouse hadn't drawn down our forces in Iraq. Thanks, Obama!

NeoGreen

(4,031 posts)
27. Not refuting the basic claim, but...
Mon Jan 25, 2016, 12:02 PM
Jan 2016

...my original DD Form 214 did not include my USAF Achievement Medal, it was awarded about the same time as my active duty separation, but it is included on my subsequent NYANG separation form (NGB Form 22) and my Korean Defense Service Medal is included in my DD215 (Correction to DD Form 214), since it was created after I left the service entirely but is awarded retroactively.

I wasn't in the Army so I do not know the typical timeline and requirements for awarding a Combat Infantry Badge.

So, given his relative short time of service (2-years & 4-months), the award may possibly have been noted/documented after separation.

Just all an FYI.

And again, I don't doubt the basic claim of apparent stolen valor, but there might be later documentation.

NG

liberal N proud

(60,336 posts)
28. She just opens her mouth and words fall out
Mon Jan 25, 2016, 12:02 PM
Jan 2016

If any of them fall out in even a semi coherent form, is just by chance and those are likely to not have any substance to them.


Anyone who believes any of the word salad she tosses is as nuts as she is

oldandhappy

(6,719 posts)
30. If she was a candidate during his time of service,
Mon Jan 25, 2016, 12:06 PM
Jan 2016

he was probably protected from any actual combat. Prince Harry saw more combat than Track is my guess.

MrScorpio

(73,631 posts)
32. One thing being assigned to an active combat zone
Mon Jan 25, 2016, 12:24 PM
Jan 2016

Quite another being assigned to an active combat zone and not seeing any combat.

Most people what are familiar with military things are aware of the difference.

janlyn

(735 posts)
35. Where is the help for poor Bristols PTSD?
Mon Jan 25, 2016, 01:21 PM
Jan 2016

It must be pretty traumatic to keep tripping and falling on penises amd getting pregnant!

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