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elleng

(130,964 posts)
Thu Jan 28, 2016, 01:09 PM Jan 2016

Just learned:

A lot of people don't know the real meaning behind these statues, so they vandalize them, bitch about them being racist, etc. During the US slave era, the image of a black 'footman' with a lantern signified the home was a stop on the Underground Railroad. These are largely a northern thing, and weren't commonly found in the South until after WWII when northerners moved there and brought this custom with them. The clothing of the statue was also coded. A striped jockey's shirt meant that this was a place to swap horses, while a footman in a tailed coat meant overnight lodgings/food, and a blue sailor's waistcoat meant the homeowner could take you to a port and get you on a ship to Canada. I always laugh when I hear folks talk about how racist these are, because honestly, the cats who had them were likely the LEAST racist. Later, these came back into popularity after WWII, and they were again coded to show the white homeowners supported early civil rights efforts, weren't Klan, etc.

https://www.facebook.com/SurvivorTies550ParacordGear/photos/a.400799973291473.87399.355964837774987/1013604215344376/?type=3&theater

EDIT, For those who would like to see more, and to verify this, see this, from Loudon County, Virginia:

A Guide to Freedom
Jockey statues marked Underground Railroad

http://www.loudounhistory.org/history/underground-railroad-jockey-statues.htm

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Just learned: (Original Post) elleng Jan 2016 OP
I did not know that! KamaAina Jan 2016 #1
Probably because "It's not true." MADem Jan 2016 #7
An interesting bit of history, so thanks for that. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Jan 2016 #2
I'd want to see some proof of this. Something beyond a facebook page. MADem Jan 2016 #3
Here: elleng Jan 2016 #8
That "Jocko" story and the Red/Green nonsense (from WW1) has been discredited. MADem Jan 2016 #16
Sadly, Americans tend to be ignorant about their history. Agnosticsherbet Jan 2016 #4
Yeah--like this fiction. Don't believe everything you read on facebook. nt MADem Jan 2016 #5
Try this, from Loudon County, Virginia: elleng Jan 2016 #6
Nope--it's invented. Some idiot (I'm guessing a white one with a lawn jockey) posted that garbage. MADem Jan 2016 #19
I saw that on Facebook. It was a quote form Lincoln, I believe. Agnosticsherbet Jan 2016 #9
LOL!!!!!!! MADem Jan 2016 #24
these stories have been around for many years...however Maeve Jan 2016 #10
This is a controversial claim and not verified historically. yellowcanine Jan 2016 #11
A Guide to Freedom elleng Jan 2016 #13
Based on a claim by Charles L. Blockson, Curator Emeritus of the Afro-American Collection at Temple yellowcanine Jan 2016 #17
Ellen, it's FacePalm! Wilms Jan 2016 #12
Imagine THAT! elleng Jan 2016 #14
That page also has a link to the Wilipedia page that debunks the story to some extent Maeve Jan 2016 #15
You should just delete this thread. It's baaaaaad. MADem Jan 2016 #20
It has been debunked, should the thread be closed now? randys1 Jan 2016 #26
ellen!!! Wilms Jan 2016 #29
I'll prominently display a lawn jockey, a swastika, an apartheid era South African flag and an SS sy LanternWaste Jan 2016 #18
But....but....it's HISTORY!!! Like this: MADem Jan 2016 #25
You know I'd respect you more... tkmorris Jan 2016 #21
I question this MuseRider Jan 2016 #22
I cover naked lawn jockey statues as a courtesy to visiting Iranian dignitaries Orrex Jan 2016 #23
Another lesson in revised history HassleCat Jan 2016 #27
The plantation owner wannabes that have these things, are definitely racists. Kind of like saying Hoyt Jan 2016 #28

MADem

(135,425 posts)
7. Probably because "It's not true."
Thu Jan 28, 2016, 01:24 PM
Jan 2016
Neither the Revolutionary War nor the Civil War legends are corroborated by historical records. Mount Vernon's librarian Ellen McCallister Clark wrote in a letter to Baltimore's Enoch Pratt Free Library: "No record of anybody by the name of Jocko Graves, nor any account of somebody freezing to death holding Washington's horses, exists in the extensive historical record of the time." Nor do any of the many historical inventories and descriptions of Washington's estate mention any such statue. Moreover, stories about the Underground Railroad using lawn jockeys as signals are rendered suspect by the fact that red and green as signal colors meaning "stop" and "go" (or "danger" and "safe&quot were standardized by railway signals during the World War I era.[4]



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lawn_jockey

Erich Bloodaxe BSN

(14,733 posts)
2. An interesting bit of history, so thanks for that.
Thu Jan 28, 2016, 01:12 PM
Jan 2016

But I don't think they're being used that way nowadays, or that the people still sporting them are necessarily among the least racist.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
3. I'd want to see some proof of this. Something beyond a facebook page.
Thu Jan 28, 2016, 01:13 PM
Jan 2016

Anyone I knew who had those things were either a) Clueless or b) Racist. And I came up when they were still seen about the landscape.

I'm not the only skeptic, either:

http://www.ferris.edu/HTMLS/news/jimcrow/question/july08/index.htm

MADem

(135,425 posts)
16. That "Jocko" story and the Red/Green nonsense (from WW1) has been discredited.
Thu Jan 28, 2016, 01:37 PM
Jan 2016

That's utter garbage, repeated.

It's not true. It's a fake story invented to make white people with Lawn Jockeys feel better about having an oppressive, racist symbol in front of their home.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
19. Nope--it's invented. Some idiot (I'm guessing a white one with a lawn jockey) posted that garbage.
Thu Jan 28, 2016, 01:54 PM
Jan 2016

They are demeaning relics of a racist past and no amount of "whitesplaining/whitewashing" is going to change that. Every few years though, this story gets recycled. I've no idea why. Or maybe I do, and I prefer to not think about it....


http://www.ferris.edu/HTMLS/news/jimcrow/question/july08/index.htm


I have heard this account from many African Americans and it is frequently cited on Internet sites. It is a heroic tale and, like many such tales, its historical accuracy is questionable. In a 1987 letter to the Enoch Pratt Free Library, Ellen McCallister Clark, a Mount Vernon librarian, concluded that "the story is apocryphal; conveying a message about heroism among blacks during the Revolutionary War and General Washington's humanitarian concerns, but it is not based on an actual incident. Neither a person by the name of Jocko Graves, nor the account of any person freezing to death while holding Washington's horses has been found in any of the extensive records of the period. Likewise, the Mount Vernon estate was inventoried and described by a multitude of visitors over the years and there has never been any indication of anything resembling a 'jockey' statue on the grounds. I have put the story in the category with the cherry tree and silver dollar, fictional tales that were designed to illustrate a particular point." 2 .... It is a good story, a chest-puffer; however, there is no evidence that the Jocko legend is true.

I am willing to wager that most people who have black lawn jockeys in their yards have never heard of Jocko Graves or the stories about him. These black-faced, racially caricatured lawn ornaments were not purchased to celebrate the bravery of a little boy, let alone rapresent the bravery of a people. So, why are they in people's yards? Some people inherit them, as I have come to learn from many owners of black lawn jockeys. Others see the lawn jockeys as cute -- though I must confess that when someone describes the black-faced objects as cute, I throw up both my hands. ...The Jocko story has another chapter which is almost as remarkable as its creation account, and this one seems slightly more plausible. Charles Blockson, a historian and collector of Underground Railroad artifacts, claims that from the late 1700s through the Civil War, lawn jockeys were used to warn escaped slaves of danger or to signal that a building was a safe house. 4 A brightly colored ribbon or fabric tied to the statue's arm or a lighted lantern affixed in its hands sent messages to runaway slaves: red meant danger and green, safety.

A problem with this account, however, is that the use of red and green as signal colors dates back to World War I railroad signals, long after the late-1700s as suggested by Blockson.
Nevertheless, it is possible that runaway slaves and their supporters used red colors to indicate danger and green colors to mean it was safe to stop. After all, it only needed to be understood by runaway slaves and their helpers, and any agreed upon signals could work. .....Another potential problem with this story is that runaway slaves often traveled at night and the darkness would have made it difficult to see different shades of cloth; difficult, to be sure, but not impossible. Frankly, no system for escape was without problems for the slave. If a slave had to get precariously close to a home to see the signal, well, that is what he or she had to do. And, though it was not preferred, some runaway slaves traveled in daylight. Of course, a signal would have been easy to send by lighting a lantern and placing it in the hand of the lawn jockey so that light-off might have meant that the house was full and had no more room for runaways. I do not doubt that a black-faced lawn ornament was used as a signal to slaves. After all, there had to be ways to send otherwise cryptic messages to runaways, and given that slavery lasted more than two hundred years, it is likely that it happened at least once. Nevertheless, there is little evidence that this practice was widespread.

At the risk of being polemic, are the families that have black-faced lawn jockeys honoring the slaves who fled for their lives or the families that aided them? I doubt it. The contemporary families who own and display lawn jockeys have most likely not heard of Jocko Graves or the stories about lawn jockeys and the Underground Railroad.

Let us be honest, some people find lawn jockeys nostalgic, reminiscent of the "good old days" of Jim Crow segregation. The black-faced servant with the stooped back is a reminder of the decades when Blacks occupied the bottom rung on America's racial hierarchy -- a time when Blacks "knew their place." After World War II, White residents of new housing developments, "perhaps to give themselves more of a sense of being a member of the privileged master class, began placing 'Jocko' on their lawns in great numbers," wrote Kenneth W. Goings in his book Mammy and Uncle Mose. 5 I can tell you that more than a half-century later lawn jockeys are still seen by African Americans as markers of "White space," objects that send this message to Blacks: "You are not welcome here." ....Is it possible that black lawn jockeys became popular because of the preeminence of Blacks as horse racing jockeys? Slaves were often used to train horses and, not surprisingly, some slaves became skillful as horse riders. After all, why pay White riders in a slave economy? Horse racing was very popular in the 1800s. There were many races where all or most of the jockeys were African Americans. After Emancipation, Blacks continued to dominate major horse racing events. At the first race of the famed Kentucky Derby in 1875, 13 of the 15 riders were African Americans. Blacks rode the winners of 15 of the first 28 Kentucky Derby races. The dominance of Black jockeys ended just before World War I as Whites brought Jim Crow norms into horse racing. I am not arguing that black lawn jockeys came into existence because Blacks dominated professional horse racing, but I do believe that the popularity of the objects coincided with the dominance of Black jockeys. This fact was not lost on the makers, distributors, and buyers of lawn jockeys.

So, where does this leave us? There is no consensus on the jockey's origin. You can accept one of the legends (theories?) that I mentioned above, but the fact is that there is little evidence that supports these accounts. For years I have tried to find the name of the company that first received a patent for the lawn jockey, and I have sought to identify the first designer of the Jocko version -- in both searches I have failed. Of course, a greater aid to our understanding would be to find slave narratives that discuss the lawn jockeys. But no such narratives exist, to my knowledge (I hope that I am wrong). Thus, there is no consensus on the jockey's origin, but I do believe that there is a consensus view in African American communities that black lawn jockeys are demeaning relics of a racist past. They may not have started out with a racist meaning -- or always had that meaning -- but that is the meaning they have today. There are, undoubtedly, non-racist reasons for owning and displaying black lawn jockeys, but it would be hard for an adult American to claim that he or she does not know that many African Americans find lawn jockeys racially offensive, especially the ones with jet-black skin and oversized lips.....

Agnosticsherbet

(11,619 posts)
9. I saw that on Facebook. It was a quote form Lincoln, I believe.
Thu Jan 28, 2016, 01:25 PM
Jan 2016

Or perhaps, Einstein or Tesla.

I can't remember.

Never-the-less, Americans are remarkably ignorant of their own history.

yellowcanine

(35,699 posts)
17. Based on a claim by Charles L. Blockson, Curator Emeritus of the Afro-American Collection at Temple
Thu Jan 28, 2016, 01:40 PM
Jan 2016

University, not historical research. As I stated, can't be historically verified.

Note: Just because a link says "history" does not mean it is actual history.

 

Wilms

(26,795 posts)
12. Ellen, it's FacePalm!
Thu Jan 28, 2016, 01:28 PM
Jan 2016


That means you read something. Learning accurate info is subject to verification via other (credible) sources.

Maeve

(42,282 posts)
15. That page also has a link to the Wilipedia page that debunks the story to some extent
Thu Jan 28, 2016, 01:35 PM
Jan 2016

Not all history groups stick to verifiable history, sad to say (I work with one that makes us verify with original sources and the tales I've heard...)

MADem

(135,425 posts)
20. You should just delete this thread. It's baaaaaad.
Thu Jan 28, 2016, 02:04 PM
Jan 2016
You're getting pushback for a reason, and the source you keep touting links to a source that discredits the premise.
 

Wilms

(26,795 posts)
29. ellen!!!
Thu Jan 28, 2016, 02:48 PM
Jan 2016

You are wasting everyone's time with this.

Seriously. I'd rather be reccing your MO'M threads then responding to this.

 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
18. I'll prominently display a lawn jockey, a swastika, an apartheid era South African flag and an SS sy
Thu Jan 28, 2016, 01:44 PM
Jan 2016

I'll prominently display a lawn jockey, a swastika, an apartheid era South African flag and an SS symbol, and righteously tell anyone with a grasp of historicity, context and relevance that they are simply ignorant of history while pretending that symbolism is immutable.

Or, I could realize that symbols change in both meaning and context over time, accept the current meanings we impart to them, and decide from there.

tkmorris

(11,138 posts)
21. You know I'd respect you more...
Thu Jan 28, 2016, 02:06 PM
Jan 2016

If you'd at least acknowledge the debunking of this mythology in the thread. Your Loudonhistory link doesn't prove anything at all, in fact it references one of the many articles which cast doubt on the stories.

Funny thing, I used to live in Loudon County VA, about a 1/4 mile down the street from the Thomas Balch library (the org responsible for that link you keep referencing). If there are more racist people anywhere in the world than the denizens of Leesburg, VA I have yet to meet them. I am completely unsurprised that they would offer up an attempt to whitewash racist behavior.

MuseRider

(34,111 posts)
22. I question this
Thu Jan 28, 2016, 02:07 PM
Jan 2016

but I don't know the real answer. I cannot imagine why anyone would ever use something to mark a place where slave hunters could easily know where they might find an escaped slave. I live about 1/4 mile from an underground railroad stop and have never heard about this at all. I will be interested to know if there is any truth to this.

 

HassleCat

(6,409 posts)
27. Another lesson in revised history
Thu Jan 28, 2016, 02:29 PM
Jan 2016

We see this all the time, particularly regarding the black lawn jockey. What malarkey. I look forward to seeing something similar in regard to the black guy sitting on the edge of the fish pond, holding a fishing pole. If you trust people in Loudoun County to give you the straight scoop, you are on the wrong track. I lived there, and I heard some of the most outrageous lies about where black people lived, how they were treated, etc.

 

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
28. The plantation owner wannabes that have these things, are definitely racists. Kind of like saying
Thu Jan 28, 2016, 02:32 PM
Jan 2016

confederate flag is just a symbol of heritage, even when flying behind the truck of an armed Bundy militiaman or Border Klansman.

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